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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by CR001 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:55 pm

A110UK wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:52 pm
A110UK wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:21 pm
Dear all,
My application for BC got rejected last October (9 month ago). I was not planning to send the reconsideration form, until recently similar cases as mine was approved through reconsideration. Now I am thinking to apply for reconsideration, but not sure if I can in terms of the time gap between the refusal time and reconsideration? Do you know if there is a time limit for sending the reconsideration form? Now after 9 month of refusal, do you think the HO accept my reconsideration? Thanks!
Following my question here, I did not mean that if the HO will approve my reconsideration or not! My concern is if I send my reconsideration (after 9 month of refusal), will the HO accept in terms of this delay? Do not they tell me why you did not send your reconsideration immediately after refusal? I checked the Ho website, and they have not mentioned any specific deadline for this! anyone has ideas please?
There is no timeframe for your to submit. You can submit one now if you choose to.
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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by KatHof » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:14 pm

nadworks wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:04 pm
OMG, this exact thing happened to me (pls. read below the quote)...
stef01 wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:16 pm
... . What matter is to TICK THE BOXES. nothing more nothing less. nothing to do with being 'british'. So. I have been refused because this box wasn't ticked : i have a Registration Certification of Permanent Residency, but NOT a Permanent Residency Card. You may know that to apply for citizenship, you HAVE to have the PErmanent Residence Card. Which is what I applied for but when I did, in return I received the Registration of Certificate... NOT the Permanent Card... I did not notice because the cards are IDENTICAL. what changed is under the title : Type of Document (google it). I had no idea this difference existed and of course the Home Office did NOT tell me precisely what I had receved after my application. The Local Town Hall told me that I followed the wrong link. ...
I have been living in the UK for over 21 years, was continuously employed and paid tax and NI contributions. When I started the naturalisation process in December 2016, I realised on the gov.uk website, that I needed a residency card and be in possession of it for a min. 12 months ahead of applying for citizenship. I followed the (what I thought to be) the correct links to get the required residency card and applied. I received the card 5 weeks later and waited for a year.

When I finally applied for citizenship this June and made the non-refundable up-front payment of £1,300, my time calculation was that I'd be fine to be accepted for dual citizenship ahead of Brexit, since Germany (my home country) only allows dual citizenship between two EU countries. I used the Nationality Document Return Service of Haringey Council, who pointed out that they only(!!!) photocopy my originals so I could keep them. They would NOT check the documents. I was basically served by a professional photocopier.

Oh boy, am I kicking myself. Because I ended up applying with an EEA(QP) instead of an EEA(PR) and was refused. £1,300 withheld. The easiest money the HO have ever made. It must have taken them all of 2mins until their system spat out the default rejection letter.

I am convinced it was - same as in your case, Stef - a chicken-up on the gov.uk website, that linked to the wrong document application from within the naturalisation process. This has since been rectified on the site (together with a few other glitches). So how can we ever prove that we were misled and should get a refund? I am an experienced internet user and UX expert (by profession). This is not a mistake I would usually make.

Hi Stef01 - can you please advise? british-citizenship/permanent-residency ... 62456.html
I am planning on sending off my application in a few weeks and, please do not take this personal :roll:, make the same mistake as that.

Thanks!

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by nadworks » Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:03 pm

Hi Kat, really sorry to hear that. May I ask when you applied for your Residency card (i.e. when did that mistake happen)?

Officially there's little you can do. However it is wrong to simply withhold such large sums of money based on such a zero-service, minor formality (rules or no rules). I therefore wrote to my MP and explained the situation, but did point out that I was lead onto the wrong (EEA QP) form from the citizenship/naturalisation requirements page on gov.uk which is a fact.

Can I suggest you write to your MP and outline the situation? It just adds to our case.
You can find contact details here: https://www.writetothem.com/

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by Zamba » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:10 pm

I applied for British naturalisation in 2017 and the home office refused my application on the basis of good character requirements. On question 3.10, the application form asked "Have you ever been involved in, supported or encouraged terrorist activities in any country?" and I ticked no as I previously applied for travel documents and BRP card and the same question was asked which I ticked No on, My refusal letter stated as i was granted asylum on the basis of being suspected as being involved in terrorist activities, I was required to tick yes on question 3.10 which I failed to do. I applied for reconsideration stating that if the question stated suspected I would've ticked yes but because it didn't mention the word suspected I didn't tick yes as I was never involved in, supported or encouraged terrorist activities but I was just suspected,it was simply a misunderstanding as i am not a proper english speaker either, a organisation helped me to even fill in the form as I couldn't fill the form my self. Regardless, my reconsideration application also got refused. The letter also states that if I still wish to become a British citizen a fresh application will need to be made but they have advised me to take into account the 10 year re-application advisory, does this mean that if I make a new application and ticking yes on the question 3.10 and attaching an apology letter with my application it will give me a chance to obtain British naturalisation.I was wondering is there any chances for me to gain British naturalisation after my reconsideration was refused as it was genuinely a honest mistake, I did not deliberately deceive the home office. Is there a possibility for a judicial review. What would you guys advise me to do. My children were granted british citizenship, they refused mine and my wife's.

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by KatHof » Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:34 pm

nadworks wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:03 pm
Hi Kat, really sorry to hear that. May I ask when you applied for your Residency card (i.e. when did that mistake happen)?

Officially there's little you can do. However it is wrong to simply withhold such large sums of money based on such a zero-service, minor formality (rules or no rules). I therefore wrote to my MP and explained the situation, but did point out that I was lead onto the wrong (EEA QP) form from the citizenship/naturalisation requirements page on gov.uk which is a fact.

Can I suggest you write to your MP and outline the situation? It just adds to our case.
You can find contact details here: https://www.writetothem.com/
I don't know what I have applied for, but as a result of my application I have received Document Certifying Permanent Residence (DCPR). I must have applied for it in Spring 2017. Now I am not sure whether I need to apply for an official "card" before applying for BC or whether the DCPR will do...

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by secret.simon » Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:48 pm

KatHof wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:34 pm
I don't know what I have applied for, but as a result of my application I have received Document Certifying Permanent Residence (DCPR). I must have applied for it in Spring 2017. Now I am not sure whether I need to apply for an official "card" before applying for BC or whether the DCPR will do...
You have already got the correct documentation to apply for naturalisation, as you have already been advised.

EEA citizens get a paper certificate, either a Residence Certificate, as nadworks received, or a DCPR, as you have received. Non-EEA family members of an EEA citizen get a plastic card. If you reapply, you will get the same certificate that you have already got.

Nadworks, you need to have the same certificate that Kathof has in order to apply for naturalisation, one that states "Document Certifying Permanent Residence".
I am not a lawyer or immigration advisor. My statements/comments do not constitute legal advice. E&OE. Please do not PM me for advice.

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by IcikePicike » Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:00 pm

Zamba wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:10 pm
I applied for British naturalisation in 2017 and the home office refused my application on the basis of good character requirements. On question 3.10, the application form asked "Have you ever been involved in, supported or encouraged terrorist activities in any country?" and I ticked no as I previously applied for travel documents and BRP card and the same question was asked which I ticked No on, My refusal letter stated as i was granted asylum on the basis of being suspected as being involved in terrorist activities, I was required to tick yes on question 3.10 which I failed to do. I applied for reconsideration stating that if the question stated suspected I would've ticked yes but because it didn't mention the word suspected I didn't tick yes as I was never involved in, supported or encouraged terrorist activities but I was just suspected,it was simply a misunderstanding as i am not a proper english speaker either, a organisation helped me to even fill in the form as I couldn't fill the form my self. Regardless, my reconsideration application also got refused. The letter also states that if I still wish to become a British citizen a fresh application will need to be made but they have advised me to take into account the 10 year re-application advisory, does this mean that if I make a new application and ticking yes on the question 3.10 and attaching an apology letter with my application it will give me a chance to obtain British naturalisation.I was wondering is there any chances for me to gain British naturalisation after my reconsideration was refused as it was genuinely a honest mistake, I did not deliberately deceive the home office. Is there a possibility for a judicial review. What would you guys advise me to do. My children were granted british citizenship, they refused mine and my wife's.
Did you make any reference to what you had been suspected of in your cover letter at all?
Why was your wife refused?

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by Zamba » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:16 am

IcikePicike wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:00 pm
Zamba wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:10 pm
I applied for British naturalisation in 2017 and the home office refused my application on the basis of good character requirements. On question 3.10, the application form asked "Have you ever been involved in, supported or encouraged terrorist activities in any country?" and I ticked no as I previously applied for travel documents and BRP card and the same question was asked which I ticked No on, My refusal letter stated as i was granted asylum on the basis of being suspected as being involved in terrorist activities, I was required to tick yes on question 3.10 which I failed to do. I applied for reconsideration stating that if the question stated suspected I would've ticked yes but because it didn't mention the word suspected I didn't tick yes as I was never involved in, supported or encouraged terrorist activities but I was just suspected,it was simply a misunderstanding as i am not a proper english speaker either, a organisation helped me to even fill in the form as I couldn't fill the form my self. Regardless, my reconsideration application also got refused. The letter also states that if I still wish to become a British citizen a fresh application will need to be made but they have advised me to take into account the 10 year re-application advisory, does this mean that if I make a new application and ticking yes on the question 3.10 and attaching an apology letter with my application it will give me a chance to obtain British naturalisation.I was wondering is there any chances for me to gain British naturalisation after my reconsideration was refused as it was genuinely a honest mistake, I did not deliberately deceive the home office. Is there a possibility for a judicial review. What would you guys advise me to do. My children were granted british citizenship, they refused mine and my wife's.
Did you make any reference to what you had been suspected of in your cover letter at all?
Why was your wife refused?
Yes, I did mention it in the cover letter when the reconsideration was sent aand home office knows about it as well, my wife was refused for the same reason but she was never suspected of anything at all

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by IcikePicike » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:24 am

Zamba wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:16 am

Yes, I did mention it in the cover letter when the reconsideration was sent aand home office knows about it as well, my wife was refused for the same reason but she was never suspected of anything at all

The fact that they know about it makes no difference. The reason why anything controversial needs to be mentioned during the time you apply - reconsideration request is too late - is that the Home Office needs to be satisfied that you are not trying to dodge the circumstances.

I'd imagine in current political circumstances the Home Office is extra careful when it comes to anything controversial. It sounds to me that they don't feel they can establish 100% what you were or were not involved in.

There is no such thing as judicial review, to my knowledge, because naturalisation is at the discretion of the Home Office. Speaking to a solicitor who has dealt with similar cases would be your solution, I think. They often work on similar cases and can perhaps suggest something.

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by katapas » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:05 pm

Hi all,
I hope someone will be able to help or maybe someone has been in a similar situation.
First of all, I am writing on behalf of my partner who 2 months ago applied for British Citizenship and today received a refusal.

We are both from Poland, my partner has been living in the UK for 14 years, myself 9.
We are both self-employed, paying our taxes, not receiving benefits.
My partner just received 10 donations badge from NHS as blood donor.
Our son was born in the UK and has British citizenship based on my partner's documents.
But cut the story short.

My partner applied 2 months ago, supporting all necessary documentation.

At the beginning of August, he received the letter confirming that the fee has been received and ref.number for biometric enrolment which he supplied straight away on 8th of August.

On 28th of August received 2nd class postage with his documents returned but his life in UK test certificate missing. There was nothing else included.

Today he received another 2nd class letter with his missing life in UK certificate included plus a letter saying his application has been refused because he didn't send documents requested in the letter sent on 23rd of August.
They said they requested alternative evidence of residence for period April 2016 to April 2017 (why if he sent newest tax return and they say they want one)
along with documentary evidence of speeding conviction and proof it has been paid in full (as it is his only conviction)

The only thing we received on 28th were documents (life in UK missing which they sent today).
There was no letter at that day nor any other days.

Is it possible they made a mistake?(as the life in the UK was missing maybe they didn't include the letter by mistake)

Is it possible it was done on purpose?

Was anyone in a similar situation?

I really don't know what to do.

We received the letter this afternoon so we need to wait till Monday to call the helpline but still, I think not much they will say. Probably they will only advise making NR form.

Therefore how can we prove we never received it and also how they can prove they sent it?

We would have sent it straight away if we received a request.

I don't know how they can expect someone to just let go almost £1500 .

I apologize for fast writing and any mistakes.

I am really fed up by this situation and my partner is really upset as he is kind of person who keeps his tax records and receipts since the beginning of times...

I will really appreciate any help.

Best regards,
Katarzyna

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by smallpie » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:13 pm

Hi,
Contact them first and explain you didn't receive any letter requesting for such docs. Perhaps they thot it's included but didn't include it in the first envelope, as a mistake..

And ask what is the next step of action, and you can still provide this docs they requested for..
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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by katapas » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:37 am

Thank you smallpie
I did already.
They said the only way is to do NR form.
Which I did already,we are going to send it tomorrow with all documents they allegedly asked for and letter explaining the situation.

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by mplusf » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:57 am

Hello,

My naturalization application got refused on the grounds that i wasn't present on the day of application 5 years before.
I applied with Leeds NCS on 22 Feb 2018. So per my understanding I should have been present on 22 feb 2013 which I was {This is following the examples given in the application documentation}. And I flied on 23 Feb at around 9 PM.
I discussed this with the person in contact in Leeds NCS during the day of my application and he said the dates are fine. This should not be an issue.

The refusal mail I have received from immigration has following statement - "As the application was received on 22/02/2018, you would have had to be in the united Kingdom on 23/02/2013"

So I sent my reconsideration form stating my reasons - pointing to the examples given in the form AN documentation and also attached my flight ticket on the date of travel which is 23 Feb 2013.
The fees has been deducted on 5th may 2018
I received a communication from immigration that due to high volumes there is no timeline on when my reconsideration application can be processed.
As per the rules there is timeline for main application of 6 months but no timeline for reconsideration.

I tried calling the helpline a few times to get any traction on my application status, but I received the same answer "there is no timeline"

My queries are as follows -

1) I would like to get the general understanding that how long does it have taken for any of you to get the result back on your reconsideration applications ?
2) is it worth considering applying using new application{since its already more than 4 months of my reconsideration application} than waiting for the result, as no timeline could mean an year or more also :(

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by mplusf » Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:54 am

Dear all,

Just checking if my message has been posted above and is visible to other members? :)
Any guidance would be of great help.

Thanks and regards.

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by chiefengineer » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:50 pm

My application was rejected because HO count presence in 12 miles UK territorial water as absence. Reconsideration also rejected. I am preparing new application next week.
Is there a chance for my new application to be affected if I send all the evidence of their wrong decision?

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by chiefengineer » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:24 pm

mplusf wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:57 am
Hello,

My naturalization application got refused on the grounds that i wasn't present on the day of application 5 years before.


I had the same story. I was rejected although I was present in the UK. Reconsideration took 4 months and I was rejected again. As I understand the people in home office are without education and law knowledge they just follow the simple instruction and in most cases we have better knowledge of the law then they have.
Better to submit a new application. It is a lotto how they consider it. You can have all the evidence and still could be rejected.

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by IcikePicike » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:55 pm

mplusf wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:57 am
Hello,

My naturalization application got refused on the grounds that i wasn't present on the day of application 5 years before.
I applied with Leeds NCS on 22 Feb 2018. So per my understanding I should have been present on 22 feb 2013 which I was {This is following the examples given in the application documentation}. And I flied on 23 Feb at around 9 PM.
I discussed this with the person in contact in Leeds NCS during the day of my application and he said the dates are fine. This should not be an issue.

The refusal mail I have received from immigration has following statement - "As the application was received on 22/02/2018, you would have had to be in the united Kingdom on 23/02/2013"
.......

My queries are as follows -

1) I would like to get the general understanding that how long does it have taken for any of you to get the result back on your reconsideration applications ?
2) is it worth considering applying using new application{since its already more than 4 months of my reconsideration application} than waiting for the result, as no timeline could mean an year or more also :(

Thanks in advance!
Oh man, this is why I scoff when people here advise to use NCS. That's your local council, they can't empty your bins on time and you trust them with your naturalisation?

I don't understand why you cut it so fine, it's a shame that it came down to 22 Feb vs 23 Feb. Why put yourself in that situation? And take a local council worker's word for it?

There is no SLA, no regulation, nothing on reconsideration applications. I don't think anyone can help you.

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by Rosh2018 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:51 am

Hi Mr, Zamba, i there any updateds on your application? please let me know, thanks
Zamba wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:16 am
IcikePicike wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:00 pm
Zamba wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:10 pm
I applied for British naturalisation in 2017 and the home office refused my application on the basis of good character requirements. On question 3.10, the application form asked "Have you ever been involved in, supported or encouraged terrorist activities in any country?" and I ticked no as I previously applied for travel documents and BRP card and the same question was asked which I ticked No on, My refusal letter stated as i was granted asylum on the basis of being suspected as being involved in terrorist activities, I was required to tick yes on question 3.10 which I failed to do. I applied for reconsideration stating that if the question stated suspected I would've ticked yes but because it didn't mention the word suspected I didn't tick yes as I was never involved in, supported or encouraged terrorist activities but I was just suspected,it was simply a misunderstanding as i am not a proper english speaker either, a organisation helped me to even fill in the form as I couldn't fill the form my self. Regardless, my reconsideration application also got refused. The letter also states that if I still wish to become a British citizen a fresh application will need to be made but they have advised me to take into account the 10 year re-application advisory, does this mean that if I make a new application and ticking yes on the question 3.10 and attaching an apology letter with my application it will give me a chance to obtain British naturalisation.I was wondering is there any chances for me to gain British naturalisation after my reconsideration was refused as it was genuinely a honest mistake, I did not deliberately deceive the home office. Is there a possibility for a judicial review. What would you guys advise me to do. My children were granted british citizenship, they refused mine and my wife's.
Did you make any reference to what you had been suspected of in your cover letter at all?
Why was your wife refused?
Yes, I did mention it in the cover letter when the reconsideration was sent aand home office knows about it as well, my wife was refused for the same reason but she was never suspected of anything at all

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Re: Unsuccessful Naturalisation (AN) applications

Post by aesi » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:12 pm

burtsbee wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:15 pm
Does anybody know or heard of someone that had actually been unsuccessful in their citizenship application?
Hi my application was refused due to the time it took to provide documents requested. I had sent the home office required doc and it was recieved by them on the same date their refusal letter was sent. So having some hope I sent them a letter special delivery pleading with them to reconsider. This was in August. I still havent heard from them and have since written another letter and still waiting. Do I still have time to do the reconsideration application? Or do i just do a new application all over again ?

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by chiefengineer » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:44 pm

It is unbelievable. Suddenly I got a letter that I am granted British citizenship. I don't have any explanation to that. And also they don't inform me if my reconsideration form that was rejected will be reimbursed. Good luck to all.

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