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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by rpaw » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:34 am

The issue with rpaw's case has less to do with naturalisation law and more with the EEA Regulations.

When you arrived in May 2006 and registered with WRS, did you change jobs within 12 months.yes
I am not au fait with the WRS side of things, but I think that if you changed jobs within 12 months, your initial WRS was invalidated and you needed to re-register. If you did not, the entire period till May 2009/2011 (depending on who is interpreting) is invalidated.you right did not
re registered


Post May 2011, were you continuously employed for five continuous years?
no employments breaks from day one
Did you provide proof of that for the purposes of your DCPR?5yrs only Breaks in your employment could have had an impact on the caseworker's determination of when you acquired PR.no breaks

Also note that the whole 6 years of living in the UK is a simplification (an over-simplification in my view). There are two separate and distinct parts; five years of living in the UK under EU law and acquiring the appropriate documentation for that and then meeting the separate and distinct requirements for naturalisation under UK law. They are two separate processes, under two different sets of laws, dealt with by different sets of people in the Home Office. Keep that in mind.wasnt aware

Now onto the possible solutions

a) A reconsideration now won't do much as the data on the system regarding the date you acquired PR would not change. Note that the people dealing with naturalisation are not the people dealing with the EEA applications. They will go by the date put in the system by the EEA Applications caseworker.
What you would need to do is to get the DCPR date changed on the system. I am not sure how you can do that. You will need to post a separate question in the EEA Applications route forum for that.posted a question

b) Alternatively, you can wait until 6th April 2019 and then apply for reconsideration (as you will then meet the 1 year requirement). Note however that there is no time limit on how long reconsiderations can take. Some people have posted waiting times of about a year on these forums. Also, to the best of my knowledge, reconsiderations look at the original application evidence and the date of your original application will still not meet the requirement of one year after acquiring PR (on the Home Office system). However, the caseworker will have discretion to disregard that requirement if you meet all other requirements.

c) Your final option would be apply de novo for naturalisation after 6th April 2019.
Thank you for secret.simon for advise and possible solutions Thing is worth it to request a DCPR date change on to HO system. Now am aware why my WRS is invalidated, not re registered when job changed.

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by SuperDupper » Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:58 pm

SuperDupper wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:13 pm
Nusratali786 wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:10 pm
SuperDupper wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:24 am
Nusratali786 wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:25 pm


You can call passport office in the morning and ask them about the updated on ur passport application if home office have approved your ur application they must have notified the passport office to process ur application. Thats how i found out abt mu daughter citizenship application was approves.


“Time to get back to forum again”
I called passport office on friday morning as suggested they done few searches with my form number and my dob name and addresses and said it does not seems to be my application is processed or reached to them yet by HO,
Funny i received the text yesterday (saturday) from HMPO, saying following

“”We'll contact you by 16/03 if more info or an interview is required. Do not book travel until your passport is received.“”

I remember in my first main application i have not received this text, so i am hopeful that this time there are positive signs,

Am i right to say that??
Congrats
It means ur application is approved and passport office is processing ur application.

Thanks for your reply Nusratali786
I wish and hope what you are saying will happen in Sha Allah,
Roughly how long will it take now to complete the process from now on?
When should i expect to hear the decision?
almost a month since my MP informed me that a decision has been made on my case and still not heard anything from HO, a week since text received from HMPO,

Can anybody help or guide please>??
any one gone through same/ similar scenario?

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by rpaw » Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:38 am

rpaw wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:34 am
The issue with rpaw's case has less to do with naturalisation law and more with the EEA Regulations.

When you arrived in May 2006 and registered with WRS, did you change jobs within 12 months.yes
I am not au fait with the WRS side of things, but I think that if you changed jobs within 12 months, your initial WRS was invalidated and you needed to re-register. If you did not, the entire period till May 2009/2011 (depending on who is interpreting) is invalidated.you right did not
re registered


Post May 2011, were you continuously employed for five continuous years?
no employments breaks from day one
Did you provide proof of that for the purposes of your DCPR?5yrs only Breaks in your employment could have had an impact on the caseworker's determination of when you acquired PR.no breaks

Also note that the whole 6 years of living in the UK is a simplification (an over-simplification in my view). There are two separate and distinct parts; five years of living in the UK under EU law and acquiring the appropriate documentation for that and then meeting the separate and distinct requirements for naturalisation under UK law. They are two separate processes, under two different sets of laws, dealt with by different sets of people in the Home Office. Keep that in mind.wasnt aware

Now onto the possible solutions

a) A reconsideration now won't do much as the data on the system regarding the date you acquired PR would not change. Note that the people dealing with naturalisation are not the people dealing with the EEA applications. They will go by the date put in the system by the EEA Applications caseworker.
What you would need to do is to get the DCPR date changed on the system. I am not sure how you can do that. You will need to post a separate question in the EEA Applications route forum for that.posted a question

b) Alternatively, you can wait until 6th April 2019 and then apply for reconsideration (as you will then meet the 1 year requirement). Note however that there is no time limit on how long reconsiderations can take. Some people have posted waiting times of about a year on these forums. Also, to the best of my knowledge, reconsiderations look at the original application evidence and the date of your original application will still not meet the requirement of one year after acquiring PR (on the Home Office system). However, the caseworker will have discretion to disregard that requirement if you meet all other requirements.

c) Your final option would be apply de novo for naturalisation after 6th April 2019.
Thank you for secret.simon for advise and possible solutions Thing is worth it to request a DCPR date change on to HO system. Now am aware why my WRS is invalidated, not re registered when job changed.
Hi all,
quick update with my case, EEA caseworker changed my DCPR date for 5th April 2011. am preparing reconsideration letter... Fingers crossed

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by Kyiyah0013 » Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:54 am

Hello Everybody,

I really need help and advise please.

My application for British Citizenship has been rejected by the Home Office for the Good Character, The HO stated that :

1. I came to the Uk illegally ( but its not True as i came with a student visa )
2. That i delayed to apply for Asylum ( i applied 8 months after arriving to UK as i did not not about this possibility and i was not well, when i applied for asylum my student visa was still valid and not expired)

When my application for asylum was granted 7 years ago, the judge cleared out those two points and the home office never said anything about.

My question is :
Did anyone in similar situation had a successful reconsideration.
If i apply for reconsideration, is it better to use a solicitor or i just do it myself.

Please advise me as i am lost right now.

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by SuperDupper » Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:55 am

SuperDupper wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:58 pm
SuperDupper wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:13 pm
Nusratali786 wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:10 pm
SuperDupper wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:24 am




“Time to get back to forum again”
I called passport office on friday morning as suggested they done few searches with my form number and my dob name and addresses and said it does not seems to be my application is processed or reached to them yet by HO,
Funny i received the text yesterday (saturday) from HMPO, saying following

“”We'll contact you by 16/03 if more info or an interview is required. Do not book travel until your passport is received.“”

I remember in my first main application i have not received this text, so i am hopeful that this time there are positive signs,

Am i right to say that??
Congrats
It means ur application is approved and passport office is processing ur application.

Thanks for your reply Nusratali786
I wish and hope what you are saying will happen in Sha Allah,
Roughly how long will it take now to complete the process from now on?
When should i expect to hear the decision?
almost a month since my MP informed me that a decision has been made on my case and still not heard anything from HO, a week since text received from HMPO,

Can anybody help or guide please>??
any one gone through same/ similar scenario?

Its so strange, nobody including admins and experts are not replying for weeks

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by Nusratali786 » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:27 pm

SuperDupper wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:55 am
SuperDupper wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:58 pm
SuperDupper wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:13 pm
Nusratali786 wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:10 pm

Congrats
It means ur application is approved and passport office is processing ur application.

Thanks for your reply Nusratali786
I wish and hope what you are saying will happen in Sha Allah,
Roughly how long will it take now to complete the process from now on?
When should i expect to hear the decision?
almost a month since my MP informed me that a decision has been made on my case and still not heard anything from HO, a week since text received from HMPO,

Can anybody help or guide please>??
any one gone through same/ similar scenario?

Its so strange, nobody including admins and experts are not replying for weeks
Hi supper have u still not received ur BC whats going on ??

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by SuperDupper » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:33 pm

Nusratali786 wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:27 pm
SuperDupper wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:55 am
SuperDupper wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:58 pm
SuperDupper wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:13 pm



Thanks for your reply Nusratali786
I wish and hope what you are saying will happen in Sha Allah,
Roughly how long will it take now to complete the process from now on?
When should i expect to hear the decision?
almost a month since my MP informed me that a decision has been made on my case and still not heard anything from HO, a week since text received from HMPO,

Can anybody help or guide please>??
any one gone through same/ similar scenario?

Its so strange, nobody including admins and experts are not replying for weeks
Hi supper have u still not received ur BC whats going on ??

Hi Nusrat Ali

Thanks for ur reply,

Nothing yet received, read another thread and found u have same dv problems as mine so u may be the best person to guide, as my refusal was on good character due to my ex had a non molestation against me, pls note it was discharged by way of giving undertaking which never been breaks

Passport form requested and sent back with pics on 22nd of jan,
Text received from hmpoffice on 23rd feb, called and they said we dnt have any info only HO can tell u,
Nothing heard since

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by Nusratali786 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:19 pm

SuperDupper wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:33 pm
Nusratali786 wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:27 pm
SuperDupper wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:55 am
SuperDupper wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:58 pm


almost a month since my MP informed me that a decision has been made on my case and still not heard anything from HO, a week since text received from HMPO,

Can anybody help or guide please>??
any one gone through same/ similar scenario?

Its so strange, nobody including admins and experts are not replying for weeks
Hi supper have u still not received ur BC whats going on ??

Hi Nusrat Ali

Thanks for ur reply,

Nothing yet received, read another thread and found u have same dv problems as mine so u may be the best person to guide, as my refusal was on good character due to my ex had a non molestation against me, pls note it was discharged by way of giving undertaking which never been breaks

Passport form requested and sent back with pics on 22nd of jan,
Text received from hmpoffice on 23rd feb, called and they said we dnt have any info only HO can tell u,
Nothing heard since
Hi
Thanks to God i have received my BC last week. I jave included my divorce certificate with my documents . My ex accused me of domestic violence i got arrested but police found no evidence of it so it didnt went to court and for divorce i i proved in court that my ex was not of good chracter and judge accepted my reasons.
So thats y i sent my divorce certificate to home office so that have no doubt about my chracter.

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by SuperDupper » Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:18 pm

@NusratAli786

BTW how long does it takes the decision to arrive once you receive the text from passport office?

I received the text on 23rd of Feb 2019 and they said contact us by 16/03/19 if you dont receive your passport by then.

And My solicitor said off course they have to process it thats why they asked for new pics and form in fresh date. as when they refused the application i did not receive the text.

Any advise would be helpful to keep up the patience level in such a long wait :D :D :D :lol: 8)

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by Nusratali786 » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:33 pm

SuperDupper wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:18 pm
@NusratAli786

BTW how long does it takes the decision to arrive once you receive the text from passport office?

I received the text on 23rd of Feb 2019 and they said contact us by 16/03/19 if you dont receive your passport by then.

And My solicitor said off course they have to process it thats why they asked for new pics and form in fresh date. as when they refused the application i did not receive the text.

Any advise would be helpful to keep up the patience level in such a long wait :D :D :D :lol: 8)
Call passport office and ask the reason for delay??

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by Rosh2018 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:10 pm

Kyiyah0013 wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:54 am
Hello Everybody,

I really need help and advise please.

My application for British Citizenship has been rejected by the Home Office for the Good Character, The HO stated that :

1. I came to the Uk illegally ( but its not True as i came with a student visa )
2. That i delayed to apply for Asylum ( i applied 8 months after arriving to UK as i did not not about this possibility and i was not well, when i applied for asylum my student visa was still valid and not expired)

When my application for asylum was granted 7 years ago, the judge cleared out those two points and the home office never said anything about.

My question is :
Did anyone in similar situation had a successful reconsideration.
If i apply for reconsideration, is it better to use a solicitor or i just do it myself.

Please advise me as i am lost right now.
Bro I have a similar situation, but mine actually I was overstayed for about 50 days, but I was sick, and took medicine, I submit the doctor's letter as well, did HO ask you to clarify about your case or they just refused it, because they sent me a form to fill up, i'm still waiting for my result. dob't know what gonna happen, i'll let you know. i explained them why did i overstayed let see what happen.

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by Zeebro44 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:12 am

Hello all

I just apply BC last week I'm worried little bit cos I was overstayed for 8 month when I got asylum Iin 2012 but when I APPLIED ASYLUM I told home office all reason and also I was married with british citizen before my visa expire but some reasons I was delayed to apply spouse visa I told home office every thing And my ex spouse help me as wel when i apply asylum and now my question is what they will decide ?? They will send any questioner ?? PLZ reply me thanks

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by SuperDupper » Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:44 am

Hi
Still heard nothing and its been 9 months now since i sent the reconsideration app, 3 months since sent second passport form, more than two months since text received from hmpo, rang hmpo they said we dont have any info on app untill you attend your ceremony which is only HO can tell u,

What should i do?

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by SuperDupper » Sat May 11, 2019 9:39 pm

Hi everyone

I am pleased to share good news at this forum that I have finaly received the most awaited devision letter and my app has been approved in reconsideration in almost 9 months from sending form NR. Letter dated 5th of may (sunday)
Still waiting for ceremoney, can anyone tell me how long does it takes to arrive or can i book my ceremoney without that invitation received???

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by lake1 » Tue May 14, 2019 2:29 pm

SuperDupper wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 9:39 pm
Hi everyone

I am pleased to share good news at this forum that I have finaly received the most awaited devision letter and my app has been approved in reconsideration in almost 9 months from sending form NR. Letter dated 5th of may (sunday)
Still waiting for ceremoney, can anyone tell me how long does it takes to arrive or can i book my ceremoney without that invitation received???
Congratulations.

Yes you can book ceremony without the letter, just call the location you selected and they will check their system and if they have you on their record you can go ahead with the ceremony.

Congratulations once again.

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by j.weg » Thu May 23, 2019 12:49 pm

Hi,

Both me and my husband has been refused back in May 2016. As my situation is more complex I have decided that we will challenge my husband's application. He has been refused because they could not establish that he was exercising free movement rights. He is self-employed director in a successful company therefore I assume that lack of bank statements (personal and business ones) led to negative decision. I have already contacted HO if we can still send reconsideration application and yes, we can. I would like to send those bank statements and some more documents confirming that he has been in the UK but the question is - will they be suspicious why it took him so long to appeal? Will this be successful bearing in mind that this is his fault that he did not send those statements in the first place? Shall we send all paperwork again and only attach additional documents and passport?

Thank you for your responses in advance

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by CR001 » Thu May 23, 2019 12:54 pm

j.weg wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 12:49 pm
Hi,

Both me and my husband has been refused back in May 2016. As my situation is more complex I have decided that we will challenge my husband's application. He has been refused because they could not establish that he was exercising free movement rights. He is self-employed director in a successful company therefore I assume that lack of bank statements (personal and business ones) led to negative decision. I have already contacted HO if we can still send reconsideration application and yes, we can. I would like to send those bank statements and some more documents confirming that he has been in the UK but the question is - will they be suspicious why it took him so long to appeal? Will this be successful bearing in mind that this is his fault that he did not send those statements in the first place? Shall we send all paperwork again and only attach additional documents and passport?

Thank you for your responses in advance
Do both of you hold a Document Certifying Permanent residence??

Note a reconsideration request is not an "appeal".

Why have you waited 3 years to ask for a reconsideration?
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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by j.weg » Thu May 23, 2019 1:04 pm

CR001 wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 12:54 pm
j.weg wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 12:49 pm
Hi,

Both me and my husband has been refused back in May 2016. As my situation is more complex I have decided that we will challenge my husband's application. He has been refused because they could not establish that he was exercising free movement rights. He is self-employed director in a successful company therefore I assume that lack of bank statements (personal and business ones) led to negative decision. I have already contacted HO if we can still send reconsideration application and yes, we can. I would like to send those bank statements and some more documents confirming that he has been in the UK but the question is - will they be suspicious why it took him so long to appeal? Will this be successful bearing in mind that this is his fault that he did not send those statements in the first place? Shall we send all paperwork again and only attach additional documents and passport?

Thank you for your responses in advance
Do both of you hold a Document Certifying Permanent residence??

We applied when this was not a requirement (October 2015) but have this document since April 2019

Note a reconsideration request is not an "appeal".

Why have you waited 3 years to ask for a reconsideration?
To be honest - lack of time, lack of knowledge. We have seen a solicitor who advised to explain that we had zero financial support to seek legal advice hence the 3 year gap.

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by j.weg » Thu May 23, 2019 1:33 pm

j.weg wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 1:04 pm
CR001 wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 12:54 pm
j.weg wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 12:49 pm
Hi,

Both me and my husband has been refused back in May 2016. As my situation is more complex I have decided that we will challenge my husband's application. He has been refused because they could not establish that he was exercising free movement rights. He is self-employed director in a successful company therefore I assume that lack of bank statements (personal and business ones) led to negative decision. I have already contacted HO if we can still send reconsideration application and yes, we can. I would like to send those bank statements and some more documents confirming that he has been in the UK but the question is - will they be suspicious why it took him so long to appeal? Will this be successful bearing in mind that this is his fault that he did not send those statements in the first place? Shall we send all paperwork again and only attach additional documents and passport?

Thank you for your responses in advance
Do both of you hold a Document Certifying Permanent residence??

We applied when this was not a requirement (October 2015) but have this document since April 2019

Note a reconsideration request is not an "appeal".

Why have you waited 3 years to ask for a reconsideration?
To be honest - lack of time, lack of knowledge. We have seen a solicitor who advised to explain that we had zero financial support to seek legal advice hence the 3 year gap.
Also I gave birth to our 2nd daughter in April 2016 who has been given British passport based on my husband history - how ironic is that

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Re: Unsuccessful applications

Post by Irfan1648 » Thu May 23, 2019 3:32 pm

When you receive the documents back with document certifying permanent residence , you should have received a letter from the home office which state when you acquired permanent residence status, what is the date on the letter ?

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