Applying in 2 different provincial nominee programs

[Saga]

Hi all,

Can I apply to two different provinces (Quebec and Saskatchewan) under two different provincial nominee programs ?

I have read in some general guidance that it is not allowed to apply under more than one category? Want to confirm !

Thanks !

[raymasa2]

Hi all,

Can I apply to two different provinces (Quebec and Saskatchewan) under two different provincial nominee programs ?

I have read in some general guidance that it is not allowed to apply under more than one category? Want to confirm !

Thanks !

One of the things provinces will look for is your desire to commit to that province. Quebec (and possibly other provinces as well) will require that you sign a contract that you will make every attempt to stay in Quebec.

If you apply to multiple provinces, it shows that you have no commitment to a province, but only want to use them to move to Canada. Not something they like.

Ray

[Obalende]

Hi,

One of the things provinces will look for is your desire to commit to that province. Quebec (and possibly other provinces as well) will require that you sign a contract that you will make every attempt to stay in Quebec.

If you apply to multiple provinces, it shows that you have no commitment to a province, but only want to use them to move to Canada. Not something they like.

Ray

You are allowed to apply to two PNPs. You sign intention to reside in Quebec for example; this is not a contract, its an intent. You can have dual intent.

[raymasa2]

You are allowed to apply to two PNPs. You sign intention to reside in Quebec for example; this is not a contract, its an intent. You can have dual intent.

I disagree with that. The concept of dual intent does not apply in this situation.

Ray

[Obalende]

Hi,

I disagree with that. The concept of dual intent does not apply in this situation.

Ray

Please note that the concept of dual intent as found below:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/study/inst ... intent.asp


does not apply in this case. But you can intend to settle in more than one place at once i.e. have two intentions at once; applying to live in Quebec for example does not tie your life down to Quebec.

See here:

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where candidate had already applied to Fed skilled worker but recent ontario PNP changes made him eligible and he decided to apply. just because he did FSW doesnot tie his life down to it.

in the link above, candidate confirms that Opportunities Ontario clarified that two applications (FSW + PNP) are not expressly forbidden.

Another example of having double intentions:

- Candidate A applies for study permit, writes statements and shows proof of return to home country after graduation.
- Upon reaching canada, he changes his mind and files immigration application before graduating.
- later, he decides to extend his study permit with immigration application in place; he cannot be refused study permit extension on the basis of existing immigration application; he just needs to satisfy requirements of study permit which is that you should provide evidence of return to home country at time of application.

So tieing back with original question, if you apply for FSW and satisfy its requirements then no problem; if you later decide to apply to quebec at the same time and can prove interest in Quebec and that you will try your best to settle, you can also file for Quebec.

[raymasa2]

Hi,

I disagree with that. The concept of dual intent does not apply in this situation.

Ray

Please note that the concept of dual intent as found below:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/study/inst ... intent.asp

does not apply in this case. But you can intend to settle in more than one place at once i.e. have two intentions at once; applying to live in Quebec for example does not tie your life down to Quebec.

See here:


where candidate had already applied to Fed skilled worker but recent ontario PNP changes made him eligible and he decided to apply. just because he did FSW doesnot tie his life down to it.

in the link above, candidate confirms that Opportunities Ontario clarified that two applications (FSW + PNP) are not expressly forbidden.

Another example of having double intentions:

- Candidate A applies for study permit, writes statements and shows proof of return to home country after graduation.
- Upon reaching canada, he changes his mind and files immigration application before graduating.
- later, he decides to extend his study permit with immigration application in place; he cannot be refused study permit extension on the basis of existing immigration application; he just needs to satisfy requirements of study permit which is that you should provide evidence of return to home country at time of application.

So tieing back with original question, if you apply for FSW and satisfy its requirements then no problem; if you later decide to apply to quebec at the same time and can prove interest in Quebec and that you will try your best to settle, you can also file for Quebec.

Obalende,

Points you made is exactly why dual intent would not work in the case of OP, as I stated earlier. Dual intent will work in case of temporary visa and PR visa. That's fine.

It would also work FSW and one PNP. as with FSW you can settle anywhere, and if you also apply for one PNP that would be fine.

However, dual intent would not work for two PNP applications. As the PNP application ask you to commit to one province, filing two PNP application raises the question, which province are you selecting. PNP visas are restricted to a certain number. Provinces want to give these to applicants who would want to settle there, rather than waste on applicants who are using the province only to get into Canada, but have no intention to settle there. Two applications indicate your lack of intent. Yes you may move afterwards, but you have to show your intent to settle in that province. Two applications for PNP shows lack of that intention.

So tieing back with original question, if you apply for FSW and satisfy its requirements then no problem; if you later decide to apply to quebec at the same time and can prove interest in Quebec and that you will try your best to settle, you can also file for Quebec.

How does this ties to the original questions? The original question was not regarding applying for FSW and PNP, it is about applying for TWO PNPs. Please re-read the question.

Ray

[Saga]

Thanks a lot for your discussion guys. Helped a lot !

I have a further clarification. Does this apply to simultaneous applications or also if I apply one after the other?

I am not trying to dodge the provincial authorities. Its just that trying to balance work prospects, family etc. and leaving present setup is a bit of challenge !

[raymasa2]

Thanks a lot for your discussion guys. Helped a lot !

I have a further clarification. Does this apply to simultaneous applications or also if I apply one after the other?

I am not trying to dodge the provincial authorities. Its just that trying to balance work prospects, family etc. and leaving present setup is a bit of challenge !

If you apply for one PNP and decide to apply for another, you would need to withdraw your first PNP application. It obvious from your post that you have not yet decided which province you want to move to. No sense in applying for PNP until you have made that decision.

Ray

[Obalende]

Hi,

if you want to two PNPs - you need not withdraw one. You can have two PNPs in process at the same time. If in doubt call the PNP or CIC call centre. This topic has been discussed at length in other forums; it is not illegal to have two applications at once - you can intend to settle in two provinces at once and choose later which suits you; you must however prove to each individual province that you wish to settle there.

For example, I have applied for ontario PNP and Quebec PNP at the same time; I put on my application form that I have other apps in process. If asked, you can state that if you receive a job offer from one province you will withdraw your other application or whatever your reason for having two apps. Plans do change and intentions change. multiple concurrent intention is not against canadian immigration law. Another reason its important to apply to more than one program is that the province may not be able to nominate you for many reasons e.g. quota reached. these are all valid reasons for having more than one app in process at once.

I believe what is important is:
- Proving at the time of your application and during the processing of your application your intention to settle in the province.
- If a question is raised as to why two applications, my reply will be whichever province nominates me and provides me the opportunities I need and gives me opportunity to contribute to the province; two applications because I may not be nominated even though I really wanted to settle there.

Quebec has rejected recently a friend who is a chemical engineer; they did not give him points for his training; even with appeal the decision did not change even though he REALLY WANTED and intended to settle there. the province is looking for immigrants to contribute, the immigrant is looking for which province adds the most value.

Upon nomination by a province however, you should withdraw any other applications with any other province; and then apply for permanent residence.

hope this helps OP.

[Saga]

Great post Obalende ! I cannot thank you enough !