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Nope it wouldn't. This isn't exactly a public fund. It's some kind of electricity rebate.alphagear wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:12 pmHi everyone,
Just received a letter through the post addressed to me the British citizen that I will be getting 150 pounds ‘Warm Home Discount’ off the Electric/Gas bill.
Problem is the electric/gas bill is on my wifes name and she has no recourse to public funds.
Will this affect her and is it a public fund?
No it's not. The £400 (split into 6 payments of about £66 per month for 6 months) and the low kWh rate is the cost of living electric rebate.
I beg to differ on your interpretation, if you're a prepaid customer, you get that.JB007 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:55 pmNo it's not. The £400 (split into 6 payments of about £66 per month for 6 months) and the low kWh rate is the cost of living electric rebate.
Warm Home Discount is for those who live in poverty. This year, they have to be on cetrtain means tested benefits (all of which are public funds) to be able to have the Warm Home Discount and live in a propety that has high energy costs.
If the OP is a long term benefit claimant, then they might still be on the welfare benefit called Tax Credit, which allowed the NRPF parnter to be on that benefit too if they had a child. That has ended under the replacement benefit called Universal Credit.
https://www.gov.uk/the-warm-home-discount-scheme
Ticktack wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:05 pmI beg to differ on your interpretation, if you're a prepaid customer, you get that.JB007 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:55 pmNo it's not. The £400 (split into 6 payments of about £66 per month for 6 months) and the low kWh rate is the cost of living electric rebate.
Warm Home Discount is for those who live in poverty. This year, they have to be on cetrtain means tested benefits (all of which are public funds) to be able to have the Warm Home Discount and live in a propety that has high energy costs.
If the OP is a long term benefit claimant, then they might still be on the welfare benefit called Tax Credit, which allowed the NRPF parnter to be on that benefit too if they had a child. That has ended under the replacement benefit called Universal Credit.
https://www.gov.uk/the-warm-home-discount-scheme
I have never collected any benefit in my entire life, neither has my spouse. We got the letter from the council and I claimed the money from the post office.
You do not need to apply for the Warm Home Discount. You’ll be paid automatically by your energy supplier.
What you can't tell me, is what I'm on. I don't get any sorta benefits whatsoever. I don't mean that in a horrible way, but you can't seem to know how this things operate to the letter.JB007 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:47 pmTicktack wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:05 pmI beg to differ on your interpretation, if you're a prepaid customer, you get that.JB007 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:55 pmNo it's not. The £400 (split into 6 payments of about £66 per month for 6 months) and the low kWh rate is the cost of living electric rebate.
Warm Home Discount is for those who live in poverty. This year, they have to be on cetrtain means tested benefits (all of which are public funds) to be able to have the Warm Home Discount and live in a propety that has high energy costs.
If the OP is a long term benefit claimant, then they might still be on the welfare benefit called Tax Credit, which allowed the NRPF parnter to be on that benefit too if they had a child. That has ended under the replacement benefit called Universal Credit.
https://www.gov.uk/the-warm-home-discount-scheme
I have never collected any benefit in my entire life, neither has my spouse. We got the letter from the council and I claimed the money from the post office.
You do not need to apply for the Warm Home Discount. You’ll be paid automatically by your energy supplier.
This year; as the link I gave explains and you put in red; people don't apply. Instead, the government data matches using the welfare benefits they claim AND the type of property they live in (which is expensive to run).
To have received a letter, you must be on welfare benefits. As sated in the link, the relevant welfare benefits are -
Pension Credit
Housing Benefit
Income-related Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)
Income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA)
Income Support
Tax Credits
Universal Credit
Here is the link confirming those welfare benefits.
https://www.gov.uk/the-warm-home-discou ... low-income
For those not on welfare benefits (and those4 on werlfare benefits too) who have already fallen into arrears and have had a pre-payment meter installed, they can apply to their suppliers for a financial grant.
You can read the link to Warm Home Discount and it is quite clear how it works this year - Core 1 Group and Core 2 Group; all on certain welfare benefits. Payments do get sent in error and it is up to the individual to not take what they are not allowed.Ticktack wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:09 pm
What you can't tell me, is what I'm on. I don't get any sorta benefits whatsoever. I don't mean that in a horrible way, but you can't seem to know how this things operate to the letter.
You might have an idea, but sometimes, they colour out of the box! FYI, I have a few friends and family in the same category.
He did not say that. He said his wife was NRPF. As explained above, she could be on public funds if on the old (legacy) benefit called Tax Credit and they have a child, as that was allowed. Or the OP could be on welfare benefits.
What he did say was not to his wife. Not sure what you read.He did not say that. He said his wife was NRPF. As explained above, she could be on public funds if on the old (legacy) benefit called Tax Credit and they have a child, as that was allowed. Or the OP could be on welfare benefits.
[/Just received a letter through the post addressed to me the British citizen that I will be getting 150 pounds ‘Warm Home Discount’ off the Electric/Gas bill.quote]
How does that affect the wife who has no recourse to public funds??
Ticktack wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:34 pmWhat he did say was not to his wife. Not sure what you read.He did not say that. He said his wife was NRPF. As explained above, she could be on public funds if on the old (legacy) benefit called Tax Credit and they have a child, as that was allowed. Or the OP could be on welfare benefits.
Have a read of the OP post, it was just a few lines. He was concerned that the electric bill was is her name.[/Just received a letter through the post addressed to me the British citizen that I will be getting 150 pounds ‘Warm Home Discount’ off the Electric/Gas bill.quote]
How does that affect the wife who has no recourse to public funds??
Which is what I thought in my first post on this thread. Your wife is on your joint Tax Credit claim and for that old (legacy) benefit, she could take TC payments with a partner who can have public funds; and you could take the second adult element payment of TC for your NRPF partner.alphagear wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:11 pmHi guys, yes I am British and Wife has NRPF.
We have a joint child/working tax credit claim. I claim child benefit alone.
The warm home discount letter is addressed to me but since my partner is the account holder for the electric/gas bill, the discount can be applied to her under the new Group 2 requirements.
The only information I have is from the NRPF website which says the following:-
Warm Home Discount Scheme
The Warm Home Discount Scheme provides people who are receiving the Guarantee Credit element of Pension Credit with a £140 discount off their electricity (or, in some cases, gas) bill between October and March. The discount is administered by the energy provider.
Energy customers who do not get the Guarantee Credit element of Pension Credit but are on a low income may be able to apply to their energy provider for a discount. Each energy company will set their own qualifying criteria to determine who can receive the discount. However, for the 2021-22 scheme, the government guidance stated:
'You may be able to apply directly to your electricity supplier for help if you do not get the Guarantee Credit element of Pension Credit but:
your energy supplier is part of the scheme
you’re on a low income
you get certain means-tested benefits'
Although the Warm Home Discount Scheme is not a 'public fund' for immigration purposes, the qualifying criteria for 2021-22 required an energy customer to be in receipt of a means-tested benefit. Therefore, people with no recourse to public funds were unable to qualify for a discount, unless their energy provider had set criteria that included low-income customers who were not in receipt of benefits.
This information will be updated when details of the 2022-23 scheme are announced.
Yes correct, just wondering if this ‘Warm Home Discount’ is Ok to accept without affecting her visa conditions.Which is what I thought in my first post on here. Your wife is on your joint Tax Credit claim and for that old (legacy) benefit, she could take TC payments with a partner who can have public funds; and you could take the second adult element payment for your NRPF partner.
Your NRPF partner meets the requirements to claim TC with you as you have a child and you are a British citizen.alphagear wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:26 pmYes correct, just wondering if this ‘Warm Home Discount’ is Ok to accept without affecting her visa conditions.Which is what I thought in my first post on here. Your wife is on your joint Tax Credit claim and for that old (legacy) benefit, she could take TC payments with a partner who can have public funds; and you could take the second adult element payment for your NRPF partner.
NRPF say it is NOT a public fund and neither is it on the list of public funds for immigration purposes.
The new core 2 group allows you or your partner to meet the conditions for discount.
Basically me being the main claimant on Tax credit and partner in same household on energy bill.
The other requirements were our energy supplier being part of the scheme and our property having a high energy cost threshold.
So taking the ‘Warm Home Discount’ is fine without affecting her visa?JB007 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:31 pmYour NRPF partner meets the requirements to claim TC with you as you have a child and you are a British citizen.alphagear wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:26 pmYes correct, just wondering if this ‘Warm Home Discount’ is Ok to accept without affecting her visa conditions.Which is what I thought in my first post on here. Your wife is on your joint Tax Credit claim and for that old (legacy) benefit, she could take TC payments with a partner who can have public funds; and you could take the second adult element payment for your NRPF partner.
NRPF say it is NOT a public fund and neither is it on the list of public funds for immigration purposes.
The new core 2 group allows you or your partner to meet the conditions for discount.
Basically me being the main claimant on Tax credit and partner in same household on energy bill.
The other requirements were our energy supplier being part of the scheme and our property having a high energy cost threshold.
TC is one of the welfare benefits required under Core 2 for the Warm Home Discount
Nor is it listed as subject to immigration control under Eligbility
Thanks and All the public funds we are claiming are completely legal.JB007 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:56 pmNor is it listed as subject to immigration control under Eligbility
https://www.gov.uk/the-warm-home-discount-scheme
One of the requirements is being in receipt of low income welfare benefits; all of which are public funds.
Last night I found some forums with discussions on the Warm Home Discount payment and they said they get the money from their utility supplier, but you said your payment came from your council and you went to the Post Office to collect the money.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... l-councilsHousehold Support Fund: guidance for local councils
Information for local councils on the Household Support Fund to support vulnerable households in England.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... principles16. When administering The Fund, Authorities are encouraged to adopt the following principles:
use discretion on how to identify and support those most in need, taking into account a wide range of information
use the funding from 1 October 2022 to 31 March 2023 to meet immediate needs and help those who are struggling to afford energy and water bills, food, and other related essentials. Authorities can also use the funding to support households who are struggling to afford wider essentials
The government have now confirmed that the Winter Fuel Payment is a Public Fund.Amber wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:55 amAs the new WHD in England is particularly confusing I’ve created a sticky thread which explains how the new scheme will work - claiming-benefits/warm-home-discount-2022-t334229.html
https://www.gov.uk/winter-fuel-payment/eligibilityWhen you will not be eligible
You will not be eligible if you:
...
need permission to enter the UK and your granted leave says that you cannot claim public funds
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TYPOJB007 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:42 amYou have closed your sticky Amber and unfortunetly the DWP have messed up and are sending out letters telling people they quailify for the WFP when they do not: the forums are full of this.
From those receiving the DWP letter saying they quaifly for the Winter Fuel payment, some reporting that that person does not have an electric account and they do not have a partner, when one of the requirements is that they or their partner must have an electric account. Others reporting they got the DWP letter when they are not on any benefits, which won't get picked up by the electric company.
If you get the Winter Fuel Payment letter from the DWP, make sure you are allowed to take the WFP.
TYPO
Found the letter and it's header "Discretionary Council Tax Energy Rebate Scheme". This is for those households that do not qualify under the main council tax energy rebate scheme.Last night I found some forums with discussions on the Warm Home Discount payment and they said they get the money from their utility supplier, but you said your payment came from your council and you went to the Post Office to collect the money.
However, one person on there said they got a payment from something the governmnet has called the Household Support Fund, which came from their council and they took to the Post Office to be cashed. Maybe that is what you and others you know, received? The poster said that her letter from the council stated what vunerable group they were in, to be receiving the money from this fund.
