Application for PR or PR card: form EEA (PR) - UpToDate

lse78 wrote:Hi, I'm looking for some help with PR application and I hope you guys could do that.
Me and my husband (both Romanians) came in Britain September 2007 and started working as self employed straight away with an yellow card. Then in July 2009 my husband started to work as an employee with a blue card and had the same job until October 2015 when he started studying at college. We didn't took out comprehensive health insurance as we had no idea about it. If I make an application for PR card will they consider the years before he started studying or will they ask for the health insurance?
Has someone here been successful using the simple EEA3 form ?
Thank you very much in anticipation.

Hubby may be able to use the blue/yellow card to invoke a transitional arrangement for students;
if so, no need to show CSI if the card was issued in/before 2011.

See https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... issued.pdf

Yes, the earlier (simpler) forms have been issued successfully.
The current 'monster' form is not a legal requirement.
Whichever form you use, you still need rock-solid evidence to back your case.

noajthan wrote:

Lakijozsi wrote:Hi!

I have been told to use eea (pr) form which is 85pages. Couldn't fine smaller version of it. They also told me that there will be an online form from 03.30.16, but I didnt find it.
I have beem here dor 10 years now. I had a residence registry documents.
...
I dont rember fory all holiday dates in the pst 10/years..is that a failure?

Section 9.1 which is me? No or not applicable?
Thanks

Earlier, simpler form:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/eea-ro ... 17223.html

Online form is a new service, google it.

If staying loyal to current, monster form, section 9 applies to the person who is the EEA natioanl who exercised treaty rights. In this case, that's you.
For absences, list month/year if you can't remember precise dates and did not keep records, booking details & etc.

But simplify your life, look at shorter form. See which floats your boat.

Great! Thank You!

When i fill his form (simplier) setion 3 shall i give the first 5 years or the last 5 years or All 10 years i have been here and worked?
I have the inoration , if i proove my first5 years, than the residence card will be backdated to 2012. Is that right?
Thank you

Lakijozsi wrote:Great! Thank You!

When i fill his form (simplier) setion 3 shall i give the first 5 years or the last 5 years or All 10 years i have been here and worked?
I have the inoration , if i proove my first5 years, than the residence card will be backdated to 2012. Is that right?
Thank you

The form only asks for last 5 years; presumably it assumes you apply as soon as you think you have acquired PR.

It is quite legitimate to apply based on a previous qualifying period from 'back in the day'.

You could include all details of your timeline, over all the years you have enjoyed in UK, on a separate sheet if you wish.

Yes, if you prove you had acquired PR back in 2012 then hopefully that will be recorded as such in your record in the HO databanks.
The card won't actually show it - the card only shows date of issue/expiry.

noajthan wrote:

lse78 wrote:Hi, I'm looking for some help with PR application and I hope you guys could do that.
Me and my husband (both Romanians) came in Britain September 2007 and started working as self employed straight away with an yellow card. Then in July 2009 my husband started to work as an employee with a blue card and had the same job until October 2015 when he started studying at college. We didn't took out comprehensive health insurance as we had no idea about it. If I make an application for PR card will they consider the years before he started studying or will they ask for the health insurance?
Has someone here been successful using the simple EEA3 form ?
Thank you very much in anticipation.

Hubby may be able to use thee blue/yellow card to invoke a transitional arrangement for students;
if so, no need to show CSI if the card was issued in/before 2011.

See https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... issued.pdf

May I respectfully disagree with this point - transitional arrangements apply only if you were granted the yellow card as a student before July 2011. However, for the person posting above, he has acquired PR before he became a student, so no need to worry.

Hi,
Does anyone know can you travel outside UK while waiting for a decision. I am non EU applied for PR card with my EU husband. I requested my passport back and want to travel back home but wondering would it be a problem coming back to UK with expired residence card and without my husband?

Thank you all

star_bright wrote:May I respectfully disagree with this point - transitional arrangements apply only if you were granted the yellow card as a student before July 2011. However, for the person posting above, he has acquired PR before he became a student, so no need to worry.

OP may have PR (if work was genuine/effective and no prolonged absences) or they may not.
If so, all good. Subsequent activity is immaterial (if PR has not been lost).
If not, its useful to know blue/yellow cards may be a way out of a 'OMG no CSI; noone told me'-type scenario.

Laura84 wrote:Are there any people from May still pending?

My timeline goes as follows:

Application sent: 17/05/2016
Confirmation email: 15/06/2016
Documents Requested Back: ?
DCPR dated: ？
DCPR received: ?

I need to request my documents back, does anyone know how to do this, and if it will delay the process in any way? Thank you

This is my biggest worry, I need my passport back before Feb 2017 as i have a wedding abroad to attend. Has anyone received any problems?

the website says i should receive my documents back within 10 working days. The Document request form is only for documents that haven't been returned within the 10 working days? I haven't received any HO acknowledgements or confirmations so i have no reference numbers etc to refer too. Is this normal?

Application sent: 04/10/2016 (signed and recorded-signed by the HO on 05/10/16)
Documents received: ?
Payment taken: ?
Confirmation email: ?
DCPR dated: ?
DCPR received: ?

italiannational0509 wrote:

This is my biggest worry, I need my passport back before Feb 2017 as i have a wedding abroad to attend. Has anyone received any problems?

the website says i should receive my documents back within 10 working days. The Document request form is only for documents that haven't been returned within the 10 working days? I haven't received any HO acknowledgements or confirmations so i have no reference numbers etc to refer too. Is this normal?

Application sent: 04/10/2016 (signed and recorded-signed by the HO on 05/10/16)
Documents received: ?
Payment taken: ?
Confirmation email: ?
DCPR dated: ?
DCPR received: ?[/quote]

Hi there,

Not sure why are you worried when you have just submitted your application (wait at least when the money is taken, and then confirmation email (it's normal if you don't get it) and then request your documents, they may take more than 10 working days, you may have to do it again! Also you are talking about Feb 2017, that's far away, and I am sure you will get your documents before that date or even your DCPR will be sent to you by that time! will advise you to sit tight and wait! Imagine if you have already started worrying about it now, how about in 3/4 months time! go slowly mate!

csabapalfi wrote:

csabapalfi wrote:My timeline (2xEEA me+dependant, 2 employers + self empolyment):

01/04/2016 application sent
04/04/2016 received by the Home Office
08/04/2016 money taken
04/05/2016 email confirmation

Hoping to receive it soon...

It's going to be 6 months tomorrow. Going to call the Home Office. Does anyone know which number is best?

Turns out the 6 months starts from when the payment is taken.

Called the Home Office today they took my details then promised a call back in 5 working days.

They called back few hours later to tell me that nothing was sent out yet, the case is in progress and the 6 months is just an approximate processing time so I should just wait longer. (At the very least I managed to confirm that my address change went through but that's all)

csabapalfi wrote:

csabapalfi wrote:

csabapalfi wrote:My timeline (2xEEA me+dependant, 2 employers + self empolyment):

01/04/2016 application sent
04/04/2016 received by the Home Office
08/04/2016 money taken
04/05/2016 email confirmation

Hoping to receive it soon...

It's going to be 6 months tomorrow. Going to call the Home Office. Does anyone know which number is best?

Turns out the 6 months starts from when the payment is taken.

Called the Home Office today they took my details then promised a call back in 5 working days.

They called back few hours later to tell me that nothing was sent out yet, the case is in progress and the 6 months is just an approximate processing time so I should just wait longer. (At the very least I managed to confirm that my address change went through but that's all)

Oh, thats really good to know, did you receive your documents back and how long did it take to receive them from sending in your app?

After almost 4 months my PR Card finally was issued on 21 of September 2016 ))

Now few more months and will try my luck with application for citizenship.

softy monster wrote:italiannational0509 wrote:

This is my biggest worry, I need my passport back before Feb 2017 as i have a wedding abroad to attend. Has anyone received any problems?

the website says i should receive my documents back within 10 working days. The Document request form is only for documents that haven't been returned within the 10 working days? I haven't received any HO acknowledgements or confirmations so i have no reference numbers etc to refer too. Is this normal?

Application sent: 04/10/2016 (signed and recorded-signed by the HO on 05/10/16)
Documents received: ?
Payment taken: ?
Confirmation email: ?
DCPR dated: ?
DCPR received: ?

Hi there,

Not sure why are you worried when you have just submitted your application (wait at least when the money is taken, and then confirmation email (it's normal if you don't get it) and then request your documents, they may take more than 10 working days, you may have to do it again! Also you are talking about Feb 2017, that's far away, and I am sure you will get your documents before that date or even your DCPR will be sent to you by that time! will advise you to sit tight and wait! Imagine if you have already started worrying about it now, how about in 3/4 months time! go slowly mate![/quote]



I recived my passport back in a week , you just need to fill the right form online.

noajthan wrote:

star_bright wrote:May I respectfully disagree with this point - transitional arrangements apply only if you were granted the yellow card as a student before July 2011. However, for the person posting above, he has acquired PR before he became a student, so no need to worry.

OP may have PR (if work was genuine/effective and no prolonged absences) or they may not.
If so, all good. Subsequent activity is immaterial (if PR has not been lost).
If not, its useful to know blue/yellow cards may be a way out of a 'OMG no CSI; noone told me'-type scenario.

Thank you very much for your responses. I thought that this might be the case but wanted to hear it from other people as well. My husband worked continuously for NHS and I have all the payslips and bank statements and all the papers needed and there are only minor absences, just the odd holiday. I'm waiting for my passport to be renewed so that I make an application for the whole family.
I will update my journey here.
Thanks again

Hi all,

My husband and I have just applied for the EEA(PR). I am from Spain and he is from a Non-EEA country. He has a residence card that is going to expire in December 2016. From I can gather here, this application takes up to 6 months to be approved, I am wondering if we have to reapply for an extension of his residence card in case we don't get the permanent residence card before December?

This is our timeline:

Application sent: 30/09/2016
Received by the HO (according the Royal Mail): 03/10/16
Payment taken: Postal Order
Confirmation email: ?
DCPR dated: ?
DCPR received: ?

I hope you can help.

Thanks

Quiqui wrote:Hi all,

My husband and I have just applied for the EEA(PR). I am from Spain and he is from a Non-EEA country. He has a residence card that is going to expire in December 2016. From I can gather here, this application takes up to 6 months to be approved, I am wondering if we have to reapply for an extension of his residence card in case we don't get the permanent residence card before December?

This is our timeline:

Application sent: 30/09/2016
Received by the HO (according the Royal Mail): 03/10/16
Payment taken: Postal Order
Confirmation email: ?
DCPR dated: ?
DCPR received: ?

I hope you can help.

Thanks

you have mentioned that both of you have just applied, however from your timeline I understand that it was only you!! am I correct?
Because you are married to each others! Both of you should have applied at the same time as you may have already passed your 5th wedding anniversary by now! I assume he had his RC few months after the wedding, and you should count from your wedding day rather than the date when the RC was issued (Dec 2011) No need to reapply for an extension, it's just waste of time waiting I think..he better off apply for his PR! but in your case, all the documents have already been sent! I guess the Moderator can gives you better option, but first you need to clarify if it was just you or both of you have applied for PR?

Softy M

softy monster wrote:

Quiqui wrote:Hi all,

My husband and I have just applied for the EEA(PR). I am from Spain and he is from a Non-EEA country. He has a residence card that is going to expire in December 2016. From I can gather here, this application takes up to 6 months to be approved, I am wondering if we have to reapply for an extension of his residence card in case we don't get the permanent residence card before December?

This is our timeline:

Application sent: 30/09/2016
Received by the HO (according the Royal Mail): 03/10/16
Payment taken: Postal Order
Confirmation email: ?
DCPR dated: ?
DCPR received: ?

I hope you can help.

Thanks

you have mentioned that both of you have just applied, however from your timeline I understand that it was only you!! am I correct?
Because you are married to each others! Both of you should have applied at the same time as you may have already passed your 5th wedding anniversary by now! I assume he had his RC few months after the wedding, and you should count from your wedding day rather than the date when the RC was issued (Dec 2011) No need to reapply for an extension, it's just waste of time waiting I think..he better off apply for his PR! but in your case, all the documents have already been sent! I guess the Moderator can gives you better option, but first you need to clarify if it was just you or both of you have applied for PR?

Softy M

Hi,

Yes, we both applied for the PR (we used the same application) I applied as the main applicant and I added him as a family member.

My question regarding his residence permit is because we are going on holiday in December and we will come back to the UK in January (just after his residence expires) I'm kind of concerned that he is going to be stopped at the immigration point if we don't have the PR by that time. I hope that makes sense.

Thanks for your help.

Hi Quiqui, I will be in a similar situation a few months later than you. I am Spanish and my husband is a US citizen. The Home Office advises he obtains a "EEA Family Permit" from the British Embassy in Madrid, which is free and should only take a few days to obtain while they dont achieve a decision. That EEA Family permit is valid for 6 months although its a bit of a hassle.

If your husbands comes from a country that doesn't need visa to come as a tourist, he could potentially just try to enter as a tourist but that would imply lying to an immigration officer and is NOT recommended.

Finally, the EEA family permit isn't strictly necessary under EU law. If you satisfy the immigration official that you are a family, they should let you in regardless, but of course there is a risk.

Also you need to take into account that you need to satisfy the airline that he will accepted. I think that is harder: if the airline let's him fly, I am pretty sure he'll be ok once in the UK but often they are really strict.

Quiqui wrote:

softy monster wrote:

Quiqui wrote:Hi all,

My husband and I have just applied for the EEA(PR). I am from Spain and he is from a Non-EEA country. He has a residence card that is going to expire in December 2016. From I can gather here, this application takes up to 6 months to be approved, I am wondering if we have to reapply for an extension of his residence card in case we don't get the permanent residence card before December?

This is our timeline:

Application sent: 30/09/2016
Received by the HO (according the Royal Mail): 03/10/16
Payment taken: Postal Order
Confirmation email: ?
DCPR dated: ?
DCPR received: ?

I hope you can help.

Thanks

you have mentioned that both of you have just applied, however from your timeline I understand that it was only you!! am I correct?
Because you are married to each others! Both of you should have applied at the same time as you may have already passed your 5th wedding anniversary by now! I assume he had his RC few months after the wedding, and you should count from your wedding day rather than the date when the RC was issued (Dec 2011) No need to reapply for an extension, it's just waste of time waiting I think..he better off apply for his PR! but in your case, all the documents have already been sent! I guess the Moderator can gives you better option, but first you need to clarify if it was just you or both of you have applied for PR?

Softy M

Hi,

Yes, we both applied for the PR (we used the same application) I applied as the main applicant and I added him as a family member.

My question regarding his residence permit is because we are going on holiday in December and we will come back to the UK in January (just after his residence expires) I'm kind of concerned that he is going to be stopped at the immigration point if we don't have the PR by that time. I hope that makes sense.

Thanks for your help.

Quiqui wrote:

softy monster wrote:

Quiqui wrote:Hi all,

My husband and I have just applied for the EEA(PR). I am from Spain and he is from a Non-EEA country. He has a residence card that is going to expire in December 2016. From I can gather here, this application takes up to 6 months to be approved, I am wondering if we have to reapply for an extension of his residence card in case we don't get the permanent residence card before December?

This is our timeline:

Application sent: 30/09/2016
Received by the HO (according the Royal Mail): 03/10/16
Payment taken: Postal Order
Confirmation email: ?
DCPR dated: ?
DCPR received: ?

I hope you can help.

Thanks

you have mentioned that both of you have just applied, however from your timeline I understand that it was only you!! am I correct?
Because you are married to each others! Both of you should have applied at the same time as you may have already passed your 5th wedding anniversary by now! I assume he had his RC few months after the wedding, and you should count from your wedding day rather than the date when the RC was issued (Dec 2011) No need to reapply for an extension, it's just waste of time waiting I think..he better off apply for his PR! but in your case, all the documents have already been sent! I guess the Moderator can gives you better option, but first you need to clarify if it was just you or both of you have applied for PR?

Softy M

Hi,

Yes, we both applied for the PR (we used the same application) I applied as the main applicant and I added him as a family member.

My question regarding his residence permit is because we are going on holiday in December and we will come back to the UK in January (just after his residence expires) I'm kind of concerned that he is going to be stopped at the immigration point if we don't have the PR by that time. I hope that makes sense.

Thanks for your help.

Why don't you just travel and come back just before his RC expiry date just to avoid all these hassles or even wait until it sorted, also you still need to request his passport in few weeks time, and that needs to be with him before your travel date!
The thing is you both knew about the return flight and the expiry dates in the first place!!! Why would you take the risk and travel..(well I wouldn't), maybe just wait!! As you may get your PRs by Jan/Feb 2017 and that time you both free to travel (well I hope you haven't paid a lot for your flight tickets)

Hi All,

Thanks everyone for being helpful and here is my time line for an EEA and non-EEA in one application.

21/04/16 Application sent
25/04/16 Payment taken
24/05/16 Email from Home Office
28/05/16 Biomatic Letter (Non-EEA)
31/05/16 Biomatic submitted (Non-EEA)
06/06/16 COA received (Non-EEA)
08/07/16 Requested passport back
29/07/16 Received passport
11/10/16 DCPR (EEA)/Non-EEA (Wait 10 working days)

Good luck to you all.

Hi,

Thanks for your responses.

We knew about this and we bought "flexible" tickets, so I can change it easily...

I'm pretty sure a lot of you are or will be in the same situation as we are. Also, if we stay in the UK my husband will be "illegal" here because he doesn't have visa, residence or anything like that, so I suppose there is a easy "solution" to this. That's why we thought we could use the email/letter that the HO usually send to enter to the UK in January, but we weren't 100% sure.

iiglesiasf, did you call the HO to ask them about this?

Thanks again for your help.

Quiqui wrote:Hi all,

My husband and I have just applied for the EEA(PR). I am from Spain and he is from a Non-EEA country. He has a residence card that is going to expire in December 2016. From I can gather here, this application takes up to 6 months to be approved, I am wondering if we have to reapply for an extension of his residence card in case we don't get the permanent residence card before December?

This is our timeline:

...

I hope you can help.

Thanks

If you have applied for confirmation of PR why worry about RC?
A RC is not a visa. And its optional.

Quiqui wrote:Hi,

...

I'm pretty sure a lot of you are or will be in the same situation as we are. Also, if we stay in the UK my husband will be "illegal" here because he doesn't have visa, residence or anything like that, so I suppose there is a easy "solution" to this. That's why we thought we could use the email/letter that the HO usually send to enter to the UK in January, but we weren't 100% sure.

...

Hubby will not be illegal if you are a qualified person (or settled).
And a COA is not a travel document.

noajthan wrote:

Quiqui wrote:Hi,

...

I'm pretty sure a lot of you are or will be in the same situation as we are. Also, if we stay in the UK my husband will be "illegal" here because he doesn't have visa, residence or anything like that, so I suppose there is a easy "solution" to this. That's why we thought we could use the email/letter that the HO usually send to enter to the UK in January, but we weren't 100% sure.

...

Hubby will not be illegal if you are a qualified person (or settled).
And a COA is not a travel document.

Hi noajthan,

So, what should we show when the airline/UK borders ask us for his residence card then?

Thanks.

Regards,

Quiqui

Quiqui wrote:

noajthan wrote:

Quiqui wrote:Hi,

...

I'm pretty sure a lot of you are or will be in the same situation as we are. Also, if we stay in the UK my husband will be "illegal" here because he doesn't have visa, residence or anything like that, so I suppose there is a easy "solution" to this. That's why we thought we could use the email/letter that the HO usually send to enter to the UK in January, but we weren't 100% sure.

...

Hubby will not be illegal if you are a qualified person (or settled).
And a COA is not a travel document.

Hi noajthan,

So, what should we show when the airline/UK borders ask us for his residence card then?

Thanks.

Regards,

Quiqui

Clearly there is nothing to show an airline (who then may not let you board) as you are travelling out of sync with your travel documents.

If you do make it to the UK border there is a protocol that will permit you to re-enter after some delay, no doubt questions and (probably) a degree of stress.

noajthan wrote:
Clearly there is nothing to show an airline (who then may not let you board) as you are travelling out of sync with your travel documents.

If you do make it to the UK border there is a protocol that will permit you to re-enter after some delay, no doubt questions and (probably) a degree of stress.

I totally agree!

Quiqui i can see you are very desperate to travel, and u are trying hard to make it happen but ask yourself would you like to take the stress and risk? You need to think about plan B and now it's down to you! be safe
Softy M