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EEA4 permenant residence... and immigration officer

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EEA4 permenant residence... and immigration officer

Post by pinkpanter » Fri May 11, 2012 3:42 pm

Hi Guys,

I just would like to share my experience at Heathrow airport last week. I was on holidays with my EEA wife and returned from Dubai last week. When we (me and my wife) reached to immigration desk, there were two rows. UK nationals and international. I stayed with UK immigration line as there were only few people. When immigration officer saw my passport, she told me to go to the international line. Well, without any complain I joined the international line and after an hour, when I shown my passport to the immigration officer, he asked me 'how I got this EEA 4 permanent residence'. I replied 'because of my EEA wife', and then he started asking me different questions i.e. where did you meet with your wife etc. Anyway I stopped him asking question and requested that I don’t want to be rude, but please I want to speak with your supervisor because you are not supposed to ask me these questions because I already have obtained my PR and no longer dependent on my wife. But, he insisted that I have to answer these questions to satisfy him. Anyway, after long argument, finally he called to his supervisor. I explained to her everything, but she said to me the same that you should not be offended if immigration officer asked you these kinds of questions. He just wanted to ensure that your marriage is genuine. In short, after some more argument they let me go.

I really don’t understand the point of getting EEA4 permit, if I still have to answer these questions.

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Post by fysicus » Fri May 11, 2012 4:06 pm

Submit a formal complaint to UKBA about this incident, as both the IO and the supervisor clearly do not properly understand the EEA regulations. When a Residence Card has been issued, and five years later also a Permanent Residence Card it should be clear the UKBA is satisfied that there is not a marriage of convenience.

If IO's try to repeat the work of the European Applications Department on each entry to the UK, it is no wonder why the queues at Heathrow are so long!

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Re: EEA4 permenant residence... and immigration officer

Post by EUsmileWEallsmile » Fri May 11, 2012 4:24 pm

pinkpanter wrote:HI was on holidays with my EEA wife... When we (me and my wife) reached to immigration desk, there were two rows. UK nationals and international. I stayed with UK immigration line as there were only few people. When immigration officer saw my passport, she told me to go to the international line...
Whether you have a family permit, a residence card or a permanent residence card you are entitled to use the EU line. You were with your wife, you should have made a fuss there and then.

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Re: EEA4 permenant residence... and immigration officer

Post by EUsmileWEallsmile » Fri May 11, 2012 4:31 pm

pinkpanter wrote:when I shown my passport to the immigration officer, he asked me 'how I got this EEA 4 permanent residence'. I replied 'because of my EEA wife', and then he started asking me different questions i.e. where did you meet with your wife etc...
The only relevant question (apart from pleasantries, no one needs to be rude) is whether you have been absent for more than 2 consecutive years.

From their border force manual "Examination should be to establish that the passenger is the rightful holder of the document and that he has not been absent from the UK for more than 2 years."

Sometimes one is asked questions at the border and they can be genuine pleasantries such as how was your trip and sometimes they can be to see if the person is the genuine holder of the document. Of course one does not have to answer them, but why be rude.

You are perfectly entitled to point out that once PR is acquired that's it...

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Re: EEA4 permenant residence... and immigration officer

Post by EUsmileWEallsmile » Fri May 11, 2012 4:32 pm

pinkpanter wrote:...He just wanted to ensure that your marriage is genuine....
Where was your spouse at this point?

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Post by EUsmileWEallsmile » Fri May 11, 2012 4:33 pm

Did they waste paper and make you fill a landing card?

Did they deface your passport with a stamp?

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Post by mcovet » Sat May 12, 2012 2:36 pm

I always wondered what if OP refuses to answer illegal questions blank just says: "sorry, mate, any such questions should be warranted by at least some evidence, otherwise I trust that you can rely on your colleagues to do all the proper checks prior to issuing me with this document?!"


anyway, they can do absolutely NOTHING if you silently tell him to hurry up and let you through. If they unreasonably, without any evidence delay you, complain and get basic compensation. If, in addition, you incur further losses, those would also be recoverable as damages in a lawsuit.

It's time people stood up against those incompetent muppets, both on borders and behind desks. How difficult is it to dedicate a day to familiarising yourself with those EU Directive and UK regs? So many cases of people here being messed about with cause of lack of training.

Next time don't answer those Qs, just stare at him silently, without blinking and frown :D

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Post by EUsmileWEallsmile » Sat May 12, 2012 10:08 pm

"I have this card because I have lived in the UK in accordance with the conditions as laid down by law"

End of conversation.

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Post by Jambo » Sat May 12, 2012 10:24 pm

he asked me 'how I got this EEA 4 permanent residence'
Answer: I applied for it.

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Post by EUsmileWEallsmile » Sat May 12, 2012 10:58 pm

Jambo wrote:
he asked me 'how I got this EEA 4 permanent residence'
Answer: I applied for it.
Absolutely agree.

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Post by EUsmileWEallsmile » Sun May 13, 2012 8:07 pm

One might legitimately ask in retort how did you get this job?

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Post by fysicus » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:12 am

I arrived yesterday (not at Heathrow but at a regional airport) after a week holiday with my wife (visa-national who holds PR-EEA4 for almost two years now) and the IO gave me the impression he saw such documents for the first time.
First he asked if we are married, which I confirmed although it is irrelevant (and he didn't ask for any documentary evidence), and then he asked why the PR sticker was issued on a separate A4 (Immigration Status Document), and I answered: how should I know; that's how your colleagues from UKBA sent it to us.
No further questions; he didn't ask for a landing card and didn't stamp the passport, but he looked as if he did not 100% trust us. But may be it was because he never saw such combination of documents before and was simply confused.

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Post by pinkpanter » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:10 am

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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: EEA4 permenant residence... and immigration officer

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pinkpanter wrote:
...He just wanted to ensure that your marriage is genuine....


Where was your spouse at this point?

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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:33 pm Post subject:

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Did they waste paper and make you fill a landing card?

Did they deface your passport with a stamp?

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:36 pm Post subject:

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I always wondered what if OP refuses to answer illegal questions blank just says: "sorry, mate, any such questions should be warranted by at least some evidence, otherwise I trust that you can rely on your colleagues to do all the proper checks prior to issuing me with this document?!"


anyway, they can do absolutely NOTHING if you silently tell him to hurry up and let you through. If they unreasonably, without any evidence delay you, complain and get basic compensation. If, in addition, you incur further losses, those would also be recoverable as damages in a lawsuit.

It's time people stood up against those incompetent muppets, both on borders and behind desks. How difficult is it to dedicate a day to familiarising yourself with those EU Directive and UK regs? So many cases of people here being messed about with cause of lack of training.

Next time don't answer those Qs, just stare at him silently, without blinking and frown

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:08 pm Post subject:

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"I have this card because I have lived in the UK in accordance with the conditions as laid down by law"

End of conversation.

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:24 pm Post subject:

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Quote:
he asked me 'how I got this EEA 4 permanent residence'


Answer: I applied for it.

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:58 pm Post subject:

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Jambo wrote:
Quote:
he asked me 'how I got this EEA 4 permanent residence'


Answer: I applied for it.


Absolutely agree.

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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject:

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One might legitimately ask in retort how did you get this job?
Sory for the late response!

I was always polite even when they asked me to go to international line (even I knew that I should not be) but without fuss, I did and when IO ask me this stupid question that How I got this PR EEA 4, and I said I got due to my EEA wife and the interview should be off, but I think it's all depand on the IO. I have travelled last year and nothing wrong happend at the airport or with IO...

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Re: EEA4 permenant residence... and immigration officer

Post by pinkpanter » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:12 am

EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:
pinkpanter wrote:...He just wanted to ensure that your marriage is genuine....
Where was your spouse at this point?
My spouse was waiting for me outside the immigration desk.
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Post by pinkpanter » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:13 am

EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:Did they waste paper and make you fill a landing card?

Did they deface your passport with a stamp?
I didn't fill landing card but, they defaced stamp on my passport.

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Post by jotter » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:48 am

EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:Did they waste paper and make you fill a landing card?

Did they deface your passport with a stamp?
Landfill card, perhaps?

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:05 pm

pinkpanter wrote:I didn't fill landing card but, they defaced stamp on my passport.
What do you mean?

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Post by pinkpanter » Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:58 pm

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:
pinkpanter wrote:I didn't fill landing card but, they defaced stamp on my passport.
What do you mean?
I mean they put entry stamp on my passport. I thought it should not be but, I realise that if you are travelling from non EU country then it is normal to stamp on your passport by IO (May be I am wrong).

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Post by EUsmileWEallsmile » Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:02 pm

If you hold a residence card, your passport must not be stamped. (also applies to permanent residence cards)

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Post by pinkpanter » Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:07 pm

EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:"I have this card because I have lived in the UK in accordance with the conditions as laid down by law"

End of conversation.
The question itself is very stupid and I wasn't expecting. He should know that the Home office issued me PR after satisfied with my documents and this is nonsense to asking me question about my private life once it is written on my PR sticker 'Permenant Residence and no restriction to the holder etc etc'.

It was alreday enough for me 6 hours trevelling plus more than an hour on the immigration queue....and then this kind of questions

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