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Post by Plum70 » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:06 pm

babie_meg, what did the letter from the UKBA say exactly? Did the letter refer to excerpts in the law on landing cards and entry/exit stamps?

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Post by Plum70 » Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:30 pm

I have received a response from the UKBA to my complaint. Relevant excerpts in response to my complaint on landing cards read:

"...Eurostar are encouraged to ensure non-EEA passengers have a completed landing card before they are presented to a Border Force officer in order to eliminate delays at the controls. Unfortunately the EEA residence document is contained in the passport and it will not become apparent to Border Force that one is held prior to commencement of the examination".

Relevant excerpts in response to my complaint on (entry) stamps read:

"I would like to assure you that the UK does adhere to EC Directive 2004/38/EC and confirm that, as you are in possession of an EEA residence card, your passport should not have been stamped..."

The letter went on to say that "... As a result of your emails the guidance issued to our officers concerning the treatment of passengers holding residence cards is to be rewritten to ensure more clarity, and an interim instruction will be issued shortly."

This letter will accompany me on my travels just in case some border officers missed the refresher course! :wink:

Thanks 86ti for pointing me to the e-complaints service.

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Post by London-er » Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:03 pm

Plum70 wrote:I have received a response from the UKBA to my complaint. Relevant excerpts in response to my complaint on landing cards read:

"...Eurostar are encouraged to ensure non-EEA passengers have a completed landing card before they are presented to a Border Force officer in order to eliminate delays at the controls. Unfortunately the EEA residence document is contained in the passport and it will not become apparent to Border Force that one is held prior to commencement of the examination".

Relevant excerpts in response to my complaint on (entry) stamps read:

"I would like to assure you that the UK does adhere to EC Directive 2004/38/EC and confirm that, as you are in possession of an EEA residence card, your passport should not have been stamped..."

The letter went on to say that "... As a result of your emails the guidance issued to our officers concerning the treatment of passengers holding residence cards is to be rewritten to ensure more clarity, and an interim instruction will be issued shortly."

This letter will accompany me on my travels just in case some border officers missed the refresher course! :wink:

Thanks 86ti for pointing me to the e-complaints service.
Excellent Stuff Mate!!! Hope they learn their lessons :lol:

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Post by Plum70 » Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:48 am

Yes - but only a partial victory. I will monitor the quality of guidance updates on the UKBA website and operations at the borders over the next 12 months before sealing the file on this one.

I also intend to respond to the UKBA highlighting the fact that even when border officers have had the opportunity to inspect a passport holding a RC they still insist on a landing card being filled. The issue is that most are not aware of the applications of the EU Directive and by default apply UK immigration law to all non-EEA passengers, except they hold a ROA.

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Post by 86ti » Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:21 am

Plum70 wrote:"...Eurostar are encouraged to ensure non-EEA passengers have a completed landing card before they are presented to a Border Force officer in order to eliminate delays at the controls. Unfortunately the EEA residence document is contained in the passport and it will not become apparent to Border Force that one is held prior to commencement of the examination".
What exactly are they trying to say with that? It's not that you couldn't communicate that fact to them at any stage of the checking process...

Plum70 wrote:Thanks 86ti for pointing me to the e-complaints service.
I think many more people should do the same.

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Post by DFDS. » Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:21 am

Plum70 wrote:Yes - but only a partial victory. I will monitor the quality of guidance updates on the UKBA website and operations at the borders over the next 12 months before sealing the file on this one.

I also intend to respond to the UKBA highlighting the fact that even when border officers have had the opportunity to inspect a passport holding a RC they still insist on a landing card being filled. The issue is that most are not aware of the applications of the EU Directive and by default apply UK immigration law to all non-EEA passengers, except they hold a ROA.
By now they should all be aware of the applications of the EEA Directive. Sure thier miss managment/ handling of EEA RC holders on boarder points, is a moral issue rather than a techinical one.Am sure they are all updated whenever possible.

I would also like to assume that the way non EEA passangers are treated at boarder points, has something to do with the type of training them officers get, albeity both the public and the negative media's opinion. Otherwise why do we have Blue and Green channels on arrivals after travelling on the same Aircraft / vessal!
Relax! and this too shall pass, secrets are like seasons, they change.

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Post by Plum70 » Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:50 pm

86ti wrote:
Plum70 wrote:"...Eurostar are encouraged to ensure non-EEA passengers have a completed landing card before they are presented to a Border Force officer in order to eliminate delays at the controls. Unfortunately the EEA residence document is contained in the passport and it will not become apparent to Border Force that one is held prior to commencement of the examination".
What exactly are they trying to say with that? It's not that you couldn't communicate that fact to them at any stage of the checking process...
My thoughts exactly... the UKBA's response is tacit; they appear to acknowledge that non-EEA passengers in possession of a RC are NOT required to complete landing cards but are not declaring it outright. I wonder why?
DFDS. wrote:By now they should all be aware of the applications of the EEA Directive. Sure thier miss managment/ handling of EEA RC holders on boarder points, is a moral issue rather than a techinical one.Am sure they are all updated whenever possible.
In a way I see your point. Some border officers may have clouded judgement or bias towards (some) non-EEA passengers, and may therefore act unprofessionally in certain situations. However, I would like to give the UKBA ample opportunity to admit these errors and rectify them by providing clear guidance - in black and white and in accordance with EU law - that front line border officers can neither misconstrue nor misrepresent.

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Post by London-er » Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:23 am

I think they should clearly state it on their website and stop beating about the bush. It was there before and they took it off. It has been under update for ages...they should tell it to the Birds :x
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/polic ... onsmanual/
I mean how difficult is it for UKBA staff to identify Residence Cards and figure out that the Holders do not require Landing Cards and (or) Arrival Stamps. How Difficult ??? :roll:
They also need to modify this:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/trave ... eaorswiss/ and include EEA Family Members / RC Card Holders
Last edited by London-er on Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:08 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Post by Plum70 » Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:11 pm

London-er wrote:I think they should clearly state it on their website and stop beating about the bush. It was there before and they took it off. It has been under update for ages...they should tell it to the Birds :x
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/polic ... onsmanual/
I mean how difficult is it for UKBA staff to identify Residence Cards and figure out that the Holders do not require Landing Cards and (or) Arrival Stamps. How Difficult ??? :roll:
This is what I pointed out in my complaint - clear border control guidance. Inspect non-EEA passenger's passport - UK Residence Card - establish that s/he still qualifies under this category - if 'Yes' = no entry stamp or landing card.

A simple notice at the border that reads - "Landing cards must be completed by all non-EEA passengers except they are eligible holders of ROA or a UK Residence Card with the endorsement: 'Family Member of a EEA/EU/Swiss National' " - would be a good start.

Just think the number of man-hours that they could save and deploy elsewhere!

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Post by maviesk » Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:34 pm

Hey guys,

Does anyone have any recent experience re this issue? I'm going on my first holiday with my non-EEA partner next month, and I'm already working myself up about this issue.. ! Have they upped their game at the borders?

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Post by Plum70 » Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:07 am

My husband and I are travelling over Christmas to Switzerland. Will post when back!

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Post by fysicus » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:58 pm

Plum70 wrote:My husband and I are travelling over Christmas to Switzerland. Will post when back!
I hope you were aware that Switzerland requires a Schengenvisa for holders of Residence Card issued by non-Schengen EEA-countries (such as the UK).
Strangely enough they allowed visa-free access to such persons before they joined Schengen!

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Post by Plum70 » Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:44 pm

fysicus wrote:
Plum70 wrote:My husband and I are travelling over Christmas to Switzerland. Will post when back!
I hope you were aware that Switzerland requires a Schengenvisa for holders of Residence Card issued by non-Schengen EEA-countries (such as the UK).
Fully aware - I have a 3-year mult. entry schengen visa.
Strangely enough they allowed visa-free access to such persons before they joined Schengen!
Yeap! Used to travel on my WHM visa back in '07 before they took the leap.

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Post by Plum70 » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:12 pm

Said I would post back upon returning from hols:

Arrived with my husband at Heathrow terminal 1 this eve and went on the UK/EU passport queue. The IO saw my non-EU passport and asked for a landing card and I said I had a RC. He took both our passports, inspected my RC and went off to a back office. He reemerged and mumbled something about all being fine and sorry for keeping us.

I asked which queue to join if travelling alone and he said to join the UK/EU queue but to hold my passport open where the RC sticker is so that the IO, on seeing my non-EU passport, won't immediately turn me back. He also was aware that having a RC meant that I should be treated same as a EU/UK/EFTA national which indicates progress!

My only criticism about his advice is passengers are normally requested to present their passports closed so IOs can identify their nationality and inspect relevant visas/permits.

Any comments based on experience on either side of the immigration desk? When travelling alone do I hop on the EU queue + hold my passport open? Present it closed? Or just hop on the non-EU queue and save myself avoidable dialogue?

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Post by AKDK » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:40 am

Plum70 wrote:Said I would post back upon returning from hols:

Arrived with my husband at Heathrow terminal 1 this eve and went on the UK/EU passport queue. The IO saw my non-EU passport and asked for a landing card and I said I had a RC. He took both our passports, inspected my RC and went off to a back office. He reemerged and mumbled something about all being fine and sorry for keeping us.

I asked which queue to join if travelling alone and he said to join the UK/EU queue but to hold my passport open where the RC sticker is so that the IO, on seeing my non-EU passport, won't immediately turn me back. He also was aware that having a RC meant that I should be treated same as a EU/UK/EFTA national which indicates progress!

My only criticism about his advice is passengers are normally requested to present their passports closed so IOs can identify their nationality and inspect relevant visas/permits.

Any comments based on experience on either side of the immigration desk? When travelling alone do I hop on the EU queue + hold my passport open? Present it closed? Or just hop on the non-EU queue and save myself avoidable dialogue?
Hi Plum70,

I traveled 4 times on my own during last year, but all my trips were through Luton airport. Each time i went straight to UK/EU queue and held my passport open on RC sticker page. Every time they asked me simple questions i.e. how did you get this, or what nationality is your husband,or did you travel with your spouse,or is your husband working and living in the UK. But no further compex questions/inspections.

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Post by Ben » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:46 am

AKDK wrote:how did you get this
:shock:
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Post by AKDK » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:57 am

Ben wrote:
AKDK wrote:how did you get this
:shock:
:P yeah...i just said because im married to polish national who is exercising treaty rights here

my friend who had her british passport for like...5-6 years was asked once - how did you get this?

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Post by Ben » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:58 am

AKDK wrote:
Ben wrote:
AKDK wrote:how did you get this
:shock:
:P yeah...i just said because im married to polish national who is exercising treaty rights here

my friend who had her british passport for like...5-6 years was asked once - how did you get this?
Should have said you bought in on eBay. I mean really, what a stupid question.
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Post by AKDK » Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:16 am

Ben wrote:
AKDK wrote:
Ben wrote:
AKDK wrote:how did you get this
:shock:
:P yeah...i just said because im married to polish national who is exercising treaty rights here

my friend who had her british passport for like...5-6 years was asked once - how did you get this?
Should have said you bought in on eBay. I mean really, what a stupid question.
Ha ha ha LOL. Will do next time

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Post by AlexS » Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:09 am

I would like to recommend everyone with an UK Residence Card, to enrol in IRIS. I did so, and since then (over 2 years), I haven't seen an IO face to face, or had my passport stamped, or had to queue, and I travelled quite a lot. Sole exception was arriving at London City, where there are no Iris machines (and they did stamp my passport and I've filled a landing card).
Another exception would be of course Eurostar.
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