NON EEA PR REFUSED HELP NEEDED

jay.ho · Post by **jay.ho** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:28 pm

Shani7605....

Check on the PR GUIDE

Passports and identity documents must be originals – we will only accept alternative evidence of identity or nationality if you are unable to obtain or produce the required documents due to circumstances beyond your control. Copies of these documents will not be accepted. (Note: Online applicants only can have their passports verified, copied and submitted to the Home Office by a local authority participating in the European Passport Return Service. For further information see: www.gov.uk/government/collections/europ ... rn-service).

Other documents, such as marriage or birth certificates should be originals. If there is a valid reason for not being able to provide the original document you can send a copy certified by:

• a legal representative
• the body or authority which issued the original

Check this

Shani7605 · Post by **Shani7605** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:04 pm

@jay.ho As an applicant you cannot provide a photocopy of your own passport or ID. I was referring to photocopy of sponsors ID/Passport.

Nikoletta12 · Post by **Nikoletta12** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:31 pm

jay.ho wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:38 pm
My concern is in this refusal letter it's clear stated that you can provided the supported document mean you can provide the passport as well if you can provide the photocopy mean you can provide the original as well.
But after divorce it's impossible to provide the original one .

And of course if my ex want my original passport or BRP I will not provide as well in any circumstance.

It's a bit tricky the HO raise the question if you can provide everything why not id.....

Good luck to every one

Jay

Can I travel if my application for retain right is pending in home office I got visa on till 2019 if someone guide me if I request my passport back for urgent travel call I travel and after coming back at airport everything will be fine or not. Please guide

Nikoletta12 · Post by **Nikoletta12** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:36 pm

Savagedior wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:27 am
Hi everyone

Exactly same situation, applied ROR in may and today got refused with same reason, failed to provide sponsors ID or passport, therefore Secretary of State is not satisfied that I am direct family member of EEA or Swis national...

I already got RC from marriage with EEA national and now divorced and trying to get ROR. How I am not direct family member of EEA national if they already issued 4 years ago RC on marriage base...

Probably will appeal, I don't think my ex wife will give her ID

THANK

Savagedior,
Can you travel on your current visa which is left for one year did they revoke your visa if not can you travel on this pls update.

Nikoletta12 · Post by **Nikoletta12** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:51 pm

zahirsona wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:51 pm
7th August 2017

Suzuki1985 did u get hearing date??

007RAHEEL · Post by **007RAHEEL** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:27 pm

Nikoletta12 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:31 pm

jay.ho wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:38 pm
My concern is in this refusal letter it's clear stated that you can provided the supported document mean you can provide the passport as well if you can provide the photocopy mean you can provide the original as well.
But after divorce it's impossible to provide the original one .

And of course if my ex want my original passport or BRP I will not provide as well in any circumstance.

It's a bit tricky the HO raise the question if you can provide everything why not id.....

Good luck to every one

Jay
Can I travel if my application for retain right is pending in home office I got visa on till 2019 if someone guide me if I request my passport back for urgent travel call I travel and after coming back at airport everything will be fine or not. Please guide

I would advise you don't travel until you don't get your decision due to high amount of refusal.

suzuki1985 · Post by **suzuki1985** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:11 pm

Nikoletta12 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:51 pm

zahirsona wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:51 pm
7th August 2017
Suzuki1985 did u get hearing date??

Unfortunately, no. still waiting. I will update you guys. What about you? any progress?

Nikoletta12 · Post by **Nikoletta12** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:12 pm

suzuki1985 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:11 pm

Nikoletta12 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:51 pm

zahirsona wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:51 pm
7th August 2017
Suzuki1985 did u get hearing date??
Unfortunately, no. still waiting. I will update you guys. What about you? any progress?

My story is even as compared to all of you applied for application came back invalid and rejected after two months ho says declarations are not signed but my every declaration was signed now applied again it's been 5 weeks didn't hear anything.

Nikoletta12 · Post by **Nikoletta12** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:13 pm

Nikoletta12 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:12 pm

suzuki1985 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:11 pm

Nikoletta12 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:51 pm

zahirsona wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:51 pm
7th August 2017
Suzuki1985 did u get hearing date??
Unfortunately, no. still waiting. I will update you guys. What about you? any progress?
My story is even worst as compared to all of you applied for application came back invalid and rejected after two months ho says declarations are not signed but my every declaration was signed now applied again it's been 5 weeks didn't hear anything.

007RAHEEL · Post by **007RAHEEL** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:00 pm

Can't believe what they did seriously are you divorced ?

007RAHEEL · Post by **007RAHEEL** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:02 pm

Nikoletta12 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:13 pm

Nikoletta12 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:12 pm

suzuki1985 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:11 pm

Nikoletta12 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:51 pm

Suzuki1985 did u get hearing date??
Unfortunately, no. still waiting. I will update you guys. What about you? any progress?
My story is even worst as compared to all of you applied for application came back invalid and rejected after two months ho says declarations are not signed but my every declaration was signed now applied again it's been 5 weeks didn't hear anything.

Just find any reason to refuse or new staff don't know what they doing ?

Nikoletta12 · Post by **Nikoletta12** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:40 pm

007RAHEEL wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:00 pm
Can't believe what they did seriously are you divorced ?

Yes Raheel ror applied
6june
10th Augustus rejected application invalid
11th august again applied still didn't hear anything I am inTouch with my ex can provide attested copy of her I.d if I get the biomatrix I have seen 4 too listen solicitor in London showed showed them my application form they said yes it's only u who need to sign decoration and on sponsor declaration Column you only write divorce but don't know home office said declaration not signed and rejected application form 4 solicitor seen the form and said nothing wrong with form it's home office mistake but i think if u r non eu then u have luck by chance still wondering if they gona accept my application or not.

007RAHEEL · Post by **007RAHEEL** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:45 pm

Hopefully you will be fine this time did they take the money out ? Chase for biometric by sending them email.

jay.ho · Post by **jay.ho** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:20 pm

shani7605

I seen the refusal where the applicant provided the photocopy which is certified copy ....
Application refuses with attested photo copy .

Let me type word by word

please note home office can not accept any evidence which has been printed in a manner which the issuing or authority cannot be appropriately verified . this includes photocopies and word templates watermark etc in their original form whilst it is accept that the evidence supplied is most likely copies or print out of the original doc or secure there are no way for the home office to verify if the doc has been altered .that's why the copy of passport provided as a evidence can not be relied as a evidence to support your application .

007RAHEEL · Post by **007RAHEEL** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:26 pm

Welcome to Brexit Britain! They are inventing reason to say no..

suzuki1985 · Post by **suzuki1985** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:42 pm

the average waiting time for appeals to be heard in the immigration tribunal is now 48 weeks.

- EEA Free Movement - 33 weeks

007RAHEEL · Post by **007RAHEEL** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:14 am

Shani7605 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:47 am
Guys I went to see at least 3 different top immigration lawyers in London to discuss my case and inquire about providing my ex's original ID. All of them said a photo copy of a valid ID would do the job, it doesn't say anywhere in home office rules and regulations to provide an original ID of your sponsor after you've divorced. As per my understanding you have to provide original passport/ID if you're the applicant but providing a valid copy of your sponsor is fine. I had to pay hundreds of pounds just for consultation as two things were really bugging me 1) my ex would never give me her original ID 2) she has an employment gap of 97 days in 2014. I am planning to apply for PR as advised by my solicitor, I divorced after 4 years and 10 months of my marriage. I thought I'll have to apply for ROR before I'm eligible for PR but i was wrong. You can apply for PR even if you don't have ROR but your ex should have exercised treaty rights for continuous 5 years. I'll cover the employment gap by providing print out of emails she sent to different companies and recruitment agencies. Thanks

But I seen few refusal on this board. You have to have ROr before applying for PR pls confirm if I am wrong ?

Shani7605 · Post by **Shani7605** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:37 am

No, you can apply for PR without ROR if you have lived in the UK for 5 years and your sponsor was exercising treaty rights continuously during that time. I'm only a few weeks short of my 5th anniversary, I'd rather wait a few weeks to apply for PR instead of applying for ROR now and send another application for PR after I receive my ROR.

Nikoletta12 · Post by **Nikoletta12** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:07 am

jay.ho wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:20 pm
shani7605

I seen the refusal where the applicant provided the photocopy which is certified copy ....
Application refuses with attested photo copy .

Let me type word by word

please note home office can not accept any evidence which has been printed in a manner which the issuing or authority cannot be appropriately verified . this includes photocopies and word templates watermark etc in their original form whilst it is accept that the evidence supplied is most likely copies or print out of the original doc or secure there are no way for the home office to verify if the doc has been altered .that's why the copy of passport provided as a evidence can not be relied as a evidence to support your application .

Hi ,
I got a situation I applied for ror it's been more than 6 weeks I was not inTouch with my ex that's why I sent photocopy of her I.d after reading this forum I got in touch with my ex some how I think she will give me her I.d I spoke to my solicitor I want to send my ex original I.d to support my ror application solicitor is saying don't send it because we already put in application divorced not in good. Terms in sponsor declaration please guide because my solicitor is saying if we send I.d of your ex home office will say how did your ex I.d you put divorced not in good terms. Pls guide

007RAHEEL · Post by **007RAHEEL** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:05 pm

I think he’s right but if your ex willing to support you in future then no harm sending original just make sure she will support you whenever home Office makes any enquiry.

Nikoletta12 · Post by **Nikoletta12** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:18 pm

007RAHEEL wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:05 pm
I think he’s right but if your ex willing to support you in future then no harm sending original just make sure she will support you whenever home Office makes any enquiry.

Ho raheel thanks for your reply,
Support in what sense if you can guide pls I have already attached her payslip with my file and supporting documents what else home office can I ask if I don't send i.d then Home office can say the the same thing refuse because of original i.d really confused.

007RAHEEL · Post by **007RAHEEL** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:24 pm

They are refusing many people because of this issue aleastv3/4 people been refused for not providing original id. As I believe after divorce home Office shouldn’t ask for sponsor id as they have established her id in past.

psuch2 · Post by **psuch2** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:57 pm

I'm in the same boat, refused because original ID from ex wife missing. My problem is my ex will not help me in any shape or form. All I had from here was a copy of her driving licence, and paper counter part.

007RAHEEL · Post by **007RAHEEL** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:12 pm

psuch2 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:57 pm
I'm in the same boat, refused because original ID from ex wife missing. My problem is my ex will not help me in any shape or form. All I had from here was a copy of her driving licence, and paper counter part.

Reapply with explanation circumstances are beyond your control you can’t provide your ex original id.

007RAHEEL · Post by **007RAHEEL** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:15 am

Savagedior wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:27 am
Hi everyone

Exactly same situation, applied ROR in may and today got refused with same reason, failed to provide sponsors ID or passport, therefore Secretary of State is not satisfied that I am direct family member of EEA or Swis national...

I already got RC from marriage with EEA national and now divorced and trying to get ROR. How I am not direct family member of EEA national if they already issued 4 years ago RC on marriage base...

Probably will appeal, I don't think my ex wife will give her ID

THANK

Hi

Did you appeal the decision ?

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