Inwarsaw, if you had a forum named "anti-immigration" then your thoughts would probably be welcome, but this is not the place to prophesise your ignorant views. If one listens to you, then there simply can't be genuine break ups within 3-5 years of marriage? They must either end within the first month, or long after acquiring PR? Or, to avoid your nasty comments, everyone should probably pm you proof of sincerity and after clearing your "immigration control" may they post on this forum?
Yes, maybe ONE OF the factors of staying an extra year with someone IS to be able to secure the right, however, this doesn't mean the intention had been there before the marriage! You simply cannot accuse decent people of anything without solid grounds. It's the same as me accusing you of something when you have a genuine problem, WITHOUT ANY PROOF.
The issue with the couples nowadays is that even when they buy property... noone thinks about how, if at all they would split it if, god forbid, there is a break-up. But, the land registration form clearly envisages this and asks those people buying jointly to state whether they wish to be entered as 50-50 or according to each other's contribution.
Now, imagine that a husband says: "I don't intend to divorce, I love my wife, BUT just in case- enter 70%-30% ". Clearly this would sour the relationship.
Same with the immigration. Many people get married for money, others for good private/night life, and there are people who take into consideration the immigration status or cooking skills etc. Everyone's marriage then is a marriage of convenience, there is no such thing as blind love. You love someone for CONVENIENCE whichever form it takes.
The legislators have envisaged the situation where marriages would break
down and how to deal with those people. What makes you think they hadn't thought it through, but you are the smart-mule who caught cheating little immigrants out and think everyone around you is dumb?
I will repeat this again, I got a slap on the wrist for telling you off before, but as this thread shows, you deserved every single phrase and word I called you and I'd repeat them but for the fear of being banned.
Archigabe and other moderators are like police, who rarely display common sense. If there is a swearing word then they will act, if it's indirect slender, it's ok- it's freedom of speech...
Let me tell you about freedom of speech briefly- why do you think people go to jail for exercising this freedom of speech in the form of "inciting facial hatred"? Because there is a flipping limit to it! You can't cover up behind this freedom as everyone is responsible for their words and actions.
My telling you to shut your mouth is the same "freedom of expression" as yours to accuse people of being cheats, however, I have grounds and reasons backed by proof of your insolence, whereas you ain't got jack to support your presumptions.
As I told you in previous posts, either keep quiet or help people with advice through whatever experience you have attained. If you were a decent person, you would admit that you are in the wrong and probably would gain respect from everyone by doing so, rather than trying to protect your dim view.
And if not, then I think without the moderators support I cannot prevent you from posting whatever nonsense you wish, so as benifa said, it's getting tiresome...
inwarsaw wrote:So you are telling me you fall in love, you get married, stay for 4-5 years,
your circumstances change AFTER your immigration status is safe and then divorce. Thats very convenient isn't it ??
You can look at it cynically or you can realise that sometimes it just happens that way. There are also cases where there is a progressive wearing down of the relationship over a longer period of time. And also, I hope, many more that continue to function well all the way to the end.
inwarsaw wrote:You are talking loud about relationships but you are forgetting a thing called commitment, without which no relationship can work.
Yes, absolutely. And I agree with you that there are marriages that lack commitment and there are frivolous divorces. But in those cases where there was a genuine commitment and despite that, it truely did not work, they have to be able to seperate and retain their rights without being accused of trying to take advantage no? Surely you cannot argue with that?
Rest assured the government is doing all in its power to prevent people trying to take advantage.
inwarsaw wrote:Its a different question though whether you are committed to the person or to the EU passport.
Yes, I understand your point, and I understand that a small minority of applicants have arranged marriages of convenience. Do you understand that there are cases where there is no foul play and that you cannot distinguish them from where you are now? You can't accuse people without proof. It's offensive.
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