Sheffield Visa Section - EEA FAMILY PERMIT

Cookie0801 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:14 pm

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:19 pm

@cookie0801

An alternative to applying as an Extended family member is to apply under the 'EU Settlement Scheme Family Permit'.

Your Mother-in-Law (aswell as your Father-in-Law) qualifies as 'close' family member of your Husband/Wife/Partner etc and in this category dependence is assumed so you don't really even need to send Money Transfer Receipts (but if you have them then you should send them anyway).

I believe your partner must have atleast 'Pre-settled' status.

In terms of your Sister-in-Law, I'm not sure whether she would be able to apply but I think she could as she is part of your Mother-in-Law household and us under her care.

This would definitely be a better route.

Sorry. I have not fully explained. I have already applied for my mother in law and she was granted the permit in December. We applied for both of them at the same time however mother in law was granted and sister in law was rejected. We had attached the exact same evidence. The refusal reason did not mention anything about only sending 6 months money slips so we assumed they were okay with it. They stated they wanted more evidence of income expenditure and financial situation. And that the money we send is used to meet her essential life needs.
So we sent the exact same evidence but this time included bills and explained their monthly budget/ expenses in detail.
Then this rejection they said 7 months is not enough and asked for collection receipts.

We send money in the name of my mother in law and they have accepted that saying “It is noted that the corresponding money collection receipts or a bank statement in your Mother’s name have not been submitted to verify any of these funds were received by your Mother”

I have emailed the EU settlement resolution team asking if dependent sister in law of 13 years old can apply for the EU Settlement Scheme family permit.

Cookie0801

Can I ask u pls I'm non eu national married to eu national I will like to apply for my both parents and my little brother his 5 years for eu settlement family permit what do u think
I'm worried coz of my brother they may refuse them all
I'm thinking to do one buy one
Ur advice pls thank u

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:46 pm

Nuna78 wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:40 pm

My time
Applied on 30 January and biometrics someday
31st january email from liverpool
Today decision with stupid refusal
1...that you provided money transfer receipts from sponsor but that's not enough proof that you are dependent on your sponsor.i would like to see substantial evidence over the prolonged period considering the length of time your sponsor residing in uk.
But we have provided last 9 months money transfer from uk and last 2 years money transfer from germany.

2....in addition to money transfer receipts this office would like to see your and your family financial situations. Your expenditure and evi6of your family financial situation which would prove that without the financial support of your sponsor your financial need could not be met.this office would like to see comprehensive account of your financial circumstances.


That's the only 2 reasons.and btw we applied from Lahore Pakistan.i dont know how to come over that.any idea guys what proofs we can put to overcome this or just the explanation letter we can apply again.i am very heart broken.

Hi Nuna78,

1. The ECO seems to pointing to the fact that your Sponsor has been residing in the UK for more than 9 Months?

If your Sponsor has resided in UK for 9 months, and previous to that they were in Germany then I believe the ECO has made an invalid point as you have sufficiently covered both periods.

2. The second point of refusal seems to be a common theme of refusal that Liverpool ECO's are using regularly as opposed to their previous counterparts in Sheffield.

Telling from other members who have had recent refusals, it is paramount that you attach;

(a).Personal Circumstances (I.e Fully or Partly dependent upon sponsor)
(b). Income - They now seem to insist on evidence that you have actually received the funds from your Sponsors Money Transfer - I would suggest you use companies such as Transferwise who take money from the Sponsors Bank account and deposit it directly to the Dependants Bank Account, that way when you attach both Bank Statements you are infact satisfying this objection.
(c). Expenditure - Grocery, Utility, Transport, Medical receipts

Don't be heart broken, it's best you satisfy their objections with a fresh Application and if they still come back with a refusal then file an appeal, this way you will be confident that you can win it.

All the Best

Thanks for the advice bro.we decided to appeal against the decision.lets hope for the best.
What was outcome of your last application?did u received the passport today?I hope and pray that you got it.plz let us know the outcome.thanks

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:36 am

Cookie0801 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:14 pm

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:19 pm

@cookie0801

An alternative to applying as an Extended family member is to apply under the 'EU Settlement Scheme Family Permit'.

Your Mother-in-Law (aswell as your Father-in-Law) qualifies as 'close' family member of your Husband/Wife/Partner etc and in this category dependence is assumed so you don't really even need to send Money Transfer Receipts (but if you have them then you should send them anyway).

I believe your partner must have atleast 'Pre-settled' status.

In terms of your Sister-in-Law, I'm not sure whether she would be able to apply but I think she could as she is part of your Mother-in-Law household and us under her care.

This would definitely be a better route.

Sorry. I have not fully explained. I have already applied for my mother in law and she was granted the permit in December. We applied for both of them at the same time however mother in law was granted and sister in law was rejected. We had attached the exact same evidence. The refusal reason did not mention anything about only sending 6 months money slips so we assumed they were okay with it. They stated they wanted more evidence of income expenditure and financial situation. And that the money we send is used to meet her essential life needs.
So we sent the exact same evidence but this time included bills and explained their monthly budget/ expenses in detail.
Then this rejection they said 7 months is not enough and asked for collection receipts.

We send money in the name of my mother in law and they have accepted that saying “It is noted that the corresponding money collection receipts or a bank statement in your Mother’s name have not been submitted to verify any of these funds were received by your Mother”

I have emailed the EU settlement resolution team asking if dependent sister in law of 13 years old can apply for the EU Settlement Scheme family permit.

Cookie0801

Can I ask u pls I'm non eu national married to eu national I will like to apply for my both parents and my little brother his 5 years for eu settlement family permit what do u think
I'm worried coz of my brother they may refuse them all
I'm thinking to do one buy one
Ur advice pls thank u

Hello tiktok,

Yes your wife can sponsor both your parents under EU settlement scheme family permit as long as you can prove your relationship and she has pre settled or settled status. It’s very easy and although dependency is assumed, it’s also good if you can send evidence that they depend on you.

I think your problem will be when your parents are granted the permit but your brother might be refused even though he is 5 years old.
They accepted my mother in law but rejected my sister in law and now we have even bigger issue because she can’t live by herself and my mother in laws permit will expire June. She still has not come to the UK.

So think wisely before applying. There is no way to link all their applications, you have to do a seperate one for each. Since the EUSS fp is easier there is a big chance they will accept both your parents but you have to apply for EEA fp for your brother since he is extended family and there is a chance he might be rejected then he will be by himself.

Any news on your sister in laws application?

Cookie0801 wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:29 pm

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:36 am

Cookie0801 wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:14 pm

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:19 pm

@cookie0801

An alternative to applying as an Extended family member is to apply under the 'EU Settlement Scheme Family Permit'.

Your Mother-in-Law (aswell as your Father-in-Law) qualifies as 'close' family member of your Husband/Wife/Partner etc and in this category dependence is assumed so you don't really even need to send Money Transfer Receipts (but if you have them then you should send them anyway).

I believe your partner must have atleast 'Pre-settled' status.

In terms of your Sister-in-Law, I'm not sure whether she would be able to apply but I think she could as she is part of your Mother-in-Law household and us under her care.

This would definitely be a better route.

Sorry. I have not fully explained. I have already applied for my mother in law and she was granted the permit in December. We applied for both of them at the same time however mother in law was granted and sister in law was rejected. We had attached the exact same evidence. The refusal reason did not mention anything about only sending 6 months money slips so we assumed they were okay with it. They stated they wanted more evidence of income expenditure and financial situation. And that the money we send is used to meet her essential life needs.
So we sent the exact same evidence but this time included bills and explained their monthly budget/ expenses in detail.
Then this rejection they said 7 months is not enough and asked for collection receipts.

We send money in the name of my mother in law and they have accepted that saying “It is noted that the corresponding money collection receipts or a bank statement in your Mother’s name have not been submitted to verify any of these funds were received by your Mother”

I have emailed the EU settlement resolution team asking if dependent sister in law of 13 years old can apply for the EU Settlement Scheme family permit.

Cookie0801

Can I ask u pls I'm non eu national married to eu national I will like to apply for my both parents and my little brother his 5 years for eu settlement family permit what do u think
I'm worried coz of my brother they may refuse them all
I'm thinking to do one buy one
Ur advice pls thank u

Hello tiktok,

Yes your wife can sponsor both your parents under EU settlement scheme family permit as long as you can prove your relationship and she has pre settled or settled status. It’s very easy and although dependency is assumed, it’s also good if you can send evidence that they depend on you.

I think your problem will be when your parents are granted the permit but your brother might be refused even though he is 5 years old.
They accepted my mother in law but rejected my sister in law and now we have even bigger issue because she can’t live by herself and my mother in laws permit will expire June. She still has not come to the UK.

So think wisely before applying. There is no way to link all their applications, you have to do a seperate one for each. Since the EU Settlement Scheme fp is easier there is a big chance they will accept both your parents but you have to apply for EEA fp for your brother since he is extended family and there is a chance he might be rejected then he will be by himself.

Any news on your sister in laws application?

Thank you very much cookie0801 for ur response

And why I can't link their applications
I'm thinking to apply for my mum first and then my dad my brother in same time


Ans for my sister I'm still waiting theres no any news yet I'm starting to get worried

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:38 am

Just received an email that my Brothers Passport is ready to collect.

Here goes our timeline;

Application Type: EEA Extended Family Member (Brother)
Online application: 14/01/2020
Documents Self Uploaded: 29/01/2020
Biometrics (Lahore VFS): 30/01/2020
Receipt Acknowledged (Liverpool): 31/01/2020
Email notification to collect Passport: 14/02/2020

Will let you guys know what the result is but not getting our hopes too high.

Hi bro,
Did you succeed in this attempt? I have read your posts and I have similar story of refusal 3x and now I am abstaining to apply as they objected same things again and again-

docado wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:08 pm

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:38 am

Just received an email that my Brothers Passport is ready to collect.

Here goes our timeline;

Application Type: EEA Extended Family Member (Brother)
Online application: 14/01/2020
Documents Self Uploaded: 29/01/2020
Biometrics (Lahore VFS): 30/01/2020
Receipt Acknowledged (Liverpool): 31/01/2020
Email notification to collect Passport: 14/02/2020

Will let you guys know what the result is but not getting our hopes too high.

Hi bro,
Did you succeed in this attempt? I have read your posts and I have similar story of refusal 3x and now I am abstaining to apply as they objected same things again and again-

Hi Docado,

My brother wasn't able to go to VFS today as he has to attend a family wedding (it is a 4 hour drive).

He will collect on Wednesday, but like I said again we are not very hopeful as it seems the Home Office are not very keen on issuing Extended Family Permits.

What's your story and on what grounds do they keep refusing?

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:07 pm

docado wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:08 pm

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:38 am

Just received an email that my Brothers Passport is ready to collect.

Here goes our timeline;

Application Type: EEA Extended Family Member (Brother)
Online application: 14/01/2020
Documents Self Uploaded: 29/01/2020
Biometrics (Lahore VFS): 30/01/2020
Receipt Acknowledged (Liverpool): 31/01/2020
Email notification to collect Passport: 14/02/2020

Will let you guys know what the result is but not getting our hopes too high.

Hi bro,
Did you succeed in this attempt? I have read your posts and I have similar story of refusal 3x and now I am abstaining to apply as they objected same things again and again-

Hi Docado,

My brother wasn't able to go to VFS today as he has to attend a family wedding (it is a 4 hour drive).

He will collect on Wednesday, but like I said again we are not very hopeful as it seems the Home Office are not very keen on issuing Extended Family Permits.

What's your story and on what grounds do they keep refusing?

Hi bro,
Applied for brother as EFM thrice returned refused but objections were almost same including
1. from 2012 to 2019 the department is not satisfied with this limited period of dependency. (seven years of continues money transfers genuine without any delay hardly a few months missing in between )
2.The department wants further circumstances of financial depenedency ie. income, status, expenditures etc.
I heard many got EEA FPs on the basis of 6 reciepts. It is such a story of mine

MaxZaman wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:40 am

Hi Everyone
13 August 2019
I received i Called from my Local MP Regarding My application He said to me That Decision has been made on going application of My Parents you will Received Your Passport hopefully this week

15 August 2019
Received A Call and Text Your Processed Application Has been Received and ready For Collection

16 August 2019

Passport Received And Get EU Settlement Scheme Family Permit Sticker


Allahamdulillah

Hi maxzaman I would like to ask u pls when u done self upload service u have to upload checklist document as well or u need to print it out and take it with u to the appointment date thank u

docado wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:32 pm

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:07 pm

docado wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:08 pm

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:38 am

Just received an email that my Brothers Passport is ready to collect.

Here goes our timeline;

Application Type: EEA Extended Family Member (Brother)
Online application: 14/01/2020
Documents Self Uploaded: 29/01/2020
Biometrics (Lahore VFS): 30/01/2020
Receipt Acknowledged (Liverpool): 31/01/2020
Email notification to collect Passport: 14/02/2020

Will let you guys know what the result is but not getting our hopes too high.

Hi bro,
Did you succeed in this attempt? I have read your posts and I have similar story of refusal 3x and now I am abstaining to apply as they objected same things again and again-

Hi Docado,

My brother wasn't able to go to VFS today as he has to attend a family wedding (it is a 4 hour drive).

He will collect on Wednesday, but like I said again we are not very hopeful as it seems the Home Office are not very keen on issuing Extended Family Permits.

What's your story and on what grounds do they keep refusing?

Hi bro,
Applied for brother as EFM thrice returned refused but objections were almost same including
1. from 2012 to 2019 the department is not satisfied with this limited period of dependency. (seven years of continues money transfers genuine without any delay hardly a few months missing in between )
2.The department wants further circumstances of financial depenedency ie. income, status, expenditures etc.
I heard many got EEA FPs on the basis of 6 reciepts. It is such a story of mine

1.You need to reapply making the point that no where does it state that Frequency (i.e every month) of Money Transfers is the only requirement to determine dependence.

Also they love using the phrase "balance of probabilities" in rounding off their justification for refusals, but they don't want to afford us the "balance of probabilities" that had many people known that they were going to apply for an EEA family permit in the future, then indeed they would have kept hold of ALL their receipts and the ones that they have presented (for example 50 receipts for the past 5 years) are enough in hindsight of this!

In our 4th application, I have addressed their unjustified conclusions in a 5 page letter and clearly stated that should they now refuse once more then no other option but to pursue an Appeal through First Tier Tribunal.

2. It is a common theme they are now using to request income, expenditure etc

My Brother had an official notrised by a Magistrate statement outlining that he is entirely dependent on myself then why the need to establish income, expenditure.

I mean after all someone who sends Money to a family member atleast 6-9 times a year does so because they are either wholly or partly dependent so I'm not sure how they have said that proof covering 2012-2019 isn't enough, they've gone bloody bonkers!

Hey Guys,

From what I've gathered after studying several EFM refusals it seems a major reason is that the applicant (dependent person) needs to show;

"Income, Expenditure and evidence of financial position which would prove that without the financial support of your sponsor your essential living needs could not be met."

As my Brother hasn't provided any such proof, I feel that his Application will be refused when he goes to collect his passport tomorrow.

Can someone who has provided such evidence guide me as to what we will need to satisfy this objection?

TIA

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:16 am

Hey Guys,

From what I've gathered after studying several EFM refusals it seems a major reason is that the applicant (dependent person) needs to show;

"Income, Expenditure and evidence of financial position which would prove that without the financial support of your sponsor your essential living needs could not be met."

As my Brother hasn't provided any such proof, I feel that his Application will be refused when he goes to collect his passport tomorrow.

Can someone who has provided such evidence guide me as to what we will need to satisfy this objection?

TIA

Northern lights

Can I ask u pls I'm about apply for my mum and I would like to do self upload do I need to upload checklist (application forum) as well or I have take it with me to the appointment
Thank u

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:34 am

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:16 am

Hey Guys,

From what I've gathered after studying several EFM refusals it seems a major reason is that the applicant (dependent person) needs to show;

"Income, Expenditure and evidence of financial position which would prove that without the financial support of your sponsor your essential living needs could not be met."

As my Brother hasn't provided any such proof, I feel that his Application will be refused when he goes to collect his passport tomorrow.

Can someone who has provided such evidence guide me as to what we will need to satisfy this objection?

TIA

Northern lights

Can I ask u pls I'm about apply for my mum and I would like to do self upload do I need to upload checklist (application forum) as well or I have take it with me to the appointment
Thank u

Hi TikTok,

For a EU Settlement Family Permit as a 'Close Family Member' the following is all you require;

"Documents you must provide

You must provide:

a valid passportevidence of your relationship to your EEA family member, for example a marriage certificate, civil partnership certificate or birth certificateyour EEA family member’s EU Settlement Scheme application number, if they have one

You’ll also need to provide proof of your dependency if you’re:

a dependent child or grandchild of your EEA family member and you’re over 21a dependent parent or grandparent of your EEA family member and they are under 18"


To answer your question directly, No I didn't upload the checklist but I did ask my Brother to take it with him at the Biometric Appontment.

All the Best

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:59 am

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:34 am

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:16 am

Hey Guys,

From what I've gathered after studying several EFM refusals it seems a major reason is that the applicant (dependent person) needs to show;

"Income, Expenditure and evidence of financial position which would prove that without the financial support of your sponsor your essential living needs could not be met."

As my Brother hasn't provided any such proof, I feel that his Application will be refused when he goes to collect his passport tomorrow.

Can someone who has provided such evidence guide me as to what we will need to satisfy this objection?

TIA

Northern lights

Can I ask u pls I'm about apply for my mum and I would like to do self upload do I need to upload checklist (application forum) as well or I have take it with me to the appointment
Thank u

Hi TikTok,

For a EU Settlement Family Permit as a 'Close Family Member' the following is all you require;

"Documents you must provide

You must provide:

a valid passportevidence of your relationship to your EEA family member, for example a marriage certificate, civil partnership certificate or birth certificateyour EEA family member’s EU Settlement Scheme application number, if they have one

You’ll also need to provide proof of your dependency if you’re:

a dependent child or grandchild of your EEA family member and you’re over 21a dependent parent or grandparent of your EEA family member and they are under 18"


To answer your question directly, No I didn't upload the checklist but I did ask my Brother to take it with him at the Biometric Appontment.

All the Best

Thanks Lot for reply
Mu sister she applied on 27 biometric same days no update yet

Update

Sister in low eea family permit

Biometric on 27/01
Refusal letter today 18/02

Hi All,

I'm hoping to get some answers from you that may have been in the same situation I find myself in...

I applied online on the 22/01/2020 for my EU settlement scheme family permit.
Did biometrics and documents were scanned on the 27/01/2020.
I received my email from Liverpool confirming receipt of my application and the it would go to an ECO on the 28/01/2020
On the 11/02/2020 I received an email from Liverpool asking that my husband's original Irish passport be sent to them, I also received a separate email stating that my application was not straight forward and wouldn't be processed in the 15 working days set out.
My husband sent his passport and it was signed for and received on the 13/02/2020.

There was an email address in the email requesting my husband's passport that they said to use, I have emailed them asking that they just confirm receipt of his passport it's a very important document.
I have had no response to any of my emails!

Has anyone been in a similar situation and how long did it take to process your application once further documentation had been sent?

Does anyone have an email address for Liverpool that I can use that they actually respond to?

Thank you in advance!!!!

Jadine11 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:45 pm

Hi All,

I'm hoping to get some answers from you that may have been in the same situation I find myself in...

I applied online on the 22/01/2020 for my EU settlement scheme family permit.
Did biometrics and documents were scanned on the 27/01/2020.
I received my email from Liverpool confirming receipt of my application and the it would go to an ECO on the 28/01/2020
On the 11/02/2020 I received an email from Liverpool asking that my husband's original Irish passport be sent to them, I also received a separate email stating that my application was not straight forward and wouldn't be processed in the 15 working days set out.
My husband sent his passport and it was signed for and received on the 13/02/2020.

There was an email address in the email requesting my husband's passport that they said to use, I have emailed them asking that they just confirm receipt of his passport it's a very important document.
I have had no response to any of my emails!

Has anyone been in a similar situation and how long did it take to process your application once further documentation had been sent?

Does anyone have an email address for Liverpool that I can use that they actually respond to?

Thank you in advance!!!!

Hi, You can contact them by using one of these methods given in the link. https://www.gov.uk/contact-ukvi-inside-outside-uk Choose according to your location. But you have to pay them for email and fill short form online. You will get reply within few hours or at most in 2 working days.
They definitely reply to these paid emails.

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:14 pm

Update

Sister in low eea family permit

Biometric on 27/01
Refusal letter today 18/02

Hi TikTok,

Very sorry to hear that, it's to be expected unfortunately.

Could you kindly list the refusal reasons please?

Damax wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:11 pm

Jadine11 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:45 pm

Hi All,

I'm hoping to get some answers from you that may have been in the same situation I find myself in...

I applied online on the 22/01/2020 for my EU settlement scheme family permit.
Did biometrics and documents were scanned on the 27/01/2020.
I received my email from Liverpool confirming receipt of my application and the it would go to an ECO on the 28/01/2020
On the 11/02/2020 I received an email from Liverpool asking that my husband's original Irish passport be sent to them, I also received a separate email stating that my application was not straight forward and wouldn't be processed in the 15 working days set out.
My husband sent his passport and it was signed for and received on the 13/02/2020.

There was an email address in the email requesting my husband's passport that they said to use, I have emailed them asking that they just confirm receipt of his passport it's a very important document.
I have had no response to any of my emails!

Has anyone been in a similar situation and how long did it take to process your application once further documentation had been sent?

Does anyone have an email address for Liverpool that I can use that they actually respond to?

Thank you in advance!!!!

Hi, You can contact them by using one of these methods given in the link. https://www.gov.uk/contact-ukvi-inside-outside-uk Choose according to your location. But you have to pay them for email and fill short form online. You will get reply within few hours or at most in 2 working days.
They definitely reply to these paid emails.

Thank you for your assistance!!!

I will give it a try, just can't believe you have to pay for an email... It's quite shocking....

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:06 pm

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:14 pm

Update

Sister in low eea family permit

Biometric on 27/01
Refusal letter today 18/02

Hi TikTok,

Very sorry to hear that, it's to be expected unfortunately.

Could you kindly list the refusal reasons please?

Hi northern lights
I will share refusal letter pls let me know what options I have thank coz I'm thinking to appeal


Thats the refusal letter :


Your sponsor’s supporting documents show that they are in receipt of public funds,
namely Child Tax Credits and Working Tax Credits. Bank statements show that your
sponsor receives payments of more than £6,000.00 annually. Tax credits are awarded

to someone if their level of income is deemed so low that they need support from the
state in order to support themselves and their immediate family residing with them in the
UK, without taking into consideration the additional support needs of family members
should they be granted entry into the UK.
Given the evidence submitted in support of this application, I am not satisfied that your
sponsor would be able to support you as stated and that there is a very real possibility
that you would become a burden on UK public funds.
I therefore refuse your EEA Family Permit application because I am not satisfied that
you meet all of the requirements of regulation 12 (see ECGs EUN2.23) of the
Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2016.

Hi guys,
I spoke to one solicitor today regarding my brother case.and what he told me is shocking that for EXTENDED family members there is no hope.he said if you apply again it will be refused again or if you do appeal then you cannot submit more proofs.and with same papers chances are very slim like it depends on judge mode to accept or not.is it true? Or should I look for better lawyer.
If some can recommend me a good lawyer plz let me know.thanks

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:37 pm

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:06 pm

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:14 pm

Update

Sister in low eea family permit

Biometric on 27/01
Refusal letter today 18/02

Hi TikTok,

Very sorry to hear that, it's to be expected unfortunately.

Could you kindly list the refusal reasons please?

Hi northern lights
I will share refusal letter pls let me know what options I have thank coz I'm thinking to appeal


Thats the refusal letter :


Your sponsor’s supporting documents show that they are in receipt of public funds,
namely Child Tax Credits and Working Tax Credits. Bank statements show that your
sponsor receives payments of more than £6,000.00 annually. Tax credits are awarded

to someone if their level of income is deemed so low that they need support from the
state in order to support themselves and their immediate family residing with them in the
UK, without taking into consideration the additional support needs of family members
should they be granted entry into the UK.
Given the evidence submitted in support of this application, I am not satisfied that your
sponsor would be able to support you as stated and that there is a very real possibility
that you would become a burden on UK public funds.
I therefore refuse your EEA Family Permit application because I am not satisfied that
you meet all of the requirements of regulation 12 (see ECGs EUN2.23) of the
Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2016.

Hey TikTok,

Ok so they entire justification for refusal is because the Sponsor is on Public Benefits due to low income.

This is really difficult to argue against as a main condition of an EEA EFM Permit is that the dependent cannot become a "burden on public funds" if they're Application is successful.

It is only natural to assume that if someone is supporting their dependent relatives abroad they would do so from their own earnings however if they are receiving benefits that illustrates how they cannot support themselves never mind their dependent relatives.

I really don't know whether there is a strong argument against their refusal, however if you are able to show that the Sponsors circumstances have only changed recently whereby previously they were not claiming benefits then this could be shown as a temporary situation but even then the ECO is obliged to look at circumstances at the time of application.

Another route maybe to adopt her?

I'm not sure appealing the decision will result in a positive outcome but I wish I could give you more of a positive response.

I'm sure other members might shed some more light on this situation.

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:38 am

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:37 pm

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:06 pm

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:14 pm

Update

Sister in low eea family permit

Biometric on 27/01
Refusal letter today 18/02

Hi TikTok,

Very sorry to hear that, it's to be expected unfortunately.

Could you kindly list the refusal reasons please?

Hi northern lights
I will share refusal letter pls let me know what options I have thank coz I'm thinking to appeal


Thats the refusal letter :


Your sponsor’s supporting documents show that they are in receipt of public funds,
namely Child Tax Credits and Working Tax Credits. Bank statements show that your
sponsor receives payments of more than £6,000.00 annually. Tax credits are awarded

to someone if their level of income is deemed so low that they need support from the
state in order to support themselves and their immediate family residing with them in the
UK, without taking into consideration the additional support needs of family members
should they be granted entry into the UK.
Given the evidence submitted in support of this application, I am not satisfied that your
sponsor would be able to support you as stated and that there is a very real possibility
that you would become a burden on UK public funds.
I therefore refuse your EEA Family Permit application because I am not satisfied that
you meet all of the requirements of regulation 12 (see ECGs EUN2.23) of the
Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2016.

Hey TikTok,

Ok so they entire justification for refusal is because the Sponsor is on Public Benefits due to low income.

This is really difficult to argue against as a main condition of an EEA EFM Permit is that the dependent cannot become a "burden on public funds" if they're Application is successful.

It is only natural to assume that if someone is supporting their dependent relatives abroad they would do so from their own earnings however if they are receiving benefits that illustrates how they cannot support themselves never mind their dependent relatives.

I really don't know whether there is a strong argument against their refusal, however if you are able to show that the Sponsors circumstances have only changed recently whereby previously they were not claiming benefits then this could be shown as a temporary situation but even then the ECO is obliged to look at circumstances at the time of application.

Another route maybe to adopt her?

I'm not sure appealing the decision will result in a positive outcome but I wish I could give you more of a positive response.

I'm sure other members might shed some more light on this situation.

Thanks northern lights

The sponsor she's on low income because she baby 13 months old she can't work full time I was trying to appeal but It bit confusing

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:49 am

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:38 am

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:37 pm

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:06 pm

Hi TikTok,

Very sorry to hear that, it's to be expected unfortunately.

Could you kindly list the refusal reasons please?

Hi northern lights
I will share refusal letter pls let me know what options I have thank coz I'm thinking to appeal


Thats the refusal letter :


Your sponsor’s supporting documents show that they are in receipt of public funds,
namely Child Tax Credits and Working Tax Credits. Bank statements show that your
sponsor receives payments of more than £6,000.00 annually. Tax credits are awarded

to someone if their level of income is deemed so low that they need support from the
state in order to support themselves and their immediate family residing with them in the
UK, without taking into consideration the additional support needs of family members
should they be granted entry into the UK.
Given the evidence submitted in support of this application, I am not satisfied that your
sponsor would be able to support you as stated and that there is a very real possibility
that you would become a burden on UK public funds.
I therefore refuse your EEA Family Permit application because I am not satisfied that
you meet all of the requirements of regulation 12 (see ECGs EUN2.23) of the
Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2016.

Hey TikTok,

Ok so they entire justification for refusal is because the Sponsor is on Public Benefits due to low income.

This is really difficult to argue against as a main condition of an EEA EFM Permit is that the dependent cannot become a "burden on public funds" if they're Application is successful.

It is only natural to assume that if someone is supporting their dependent relatives abroad they would do so from their own earnings however if they are receiving benefits that illustrates how they cannot support themselves never mind their dependent relatives.

I really don't know whether there is a strong argument against their refusal, however if you are able to show that the Sponsors circumstances have only changed recently whereby previously they were not claiming benefits then this could be shown as a temporary situation but even then the ECO is obliged to look at circumstances at the time of application.

Another route maybe to adopt her?

I'm not sure appealing the decision will result in a positive outcome but I wish I could give you more of a positive response.

I'm sure other members might shed some more light on this situation.

Thanks northern lights

The sponsor she's on low income because she baby 13 months old she can't work full time I was trying to appeal but It bit confusing

There you go, the sponsor has a valid reason for claiming those Benefits due to paternity leave so you can demonstrate that by sending in a Birth Certificate, Wage Slips prior to Birth etc.

I think rather than appealing, it's best you reapply with new evidence and as we can expect a refusal anyway (due to the hostile environment the Home Office have created for EFM applications) only then appeal.

The Appeal is pretty straight forward and doesn't cost a great deal of money. The only down side is that it takes a while to gain a date for the hearing. You do not have to attend either.

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:09 am

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:49 am

Northern_Lights wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:38 am

Tiktok wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:37 pm

Hi northern lights
I will share refusal letter pls let me know what options I have thank coz I'm thinking to appeal


Thats the refusal letter :


Your sponsor’s supporting documents show that they are in receipt of public funds,
namely Child Tax Credits and Working Tax Credits. Bank statements show that your
sponsor receives payments of more than £6,000.00 annually. Tax credits are awarded

to someone if their level of income is deemed so low that they need support from the
state in order to support themselves and their immediate family residing with them in the
UK, without taking into consideration the additional support needs of family members
should they be granted entry into the UK.
Given the evidence submitted in support of this application, I am not satisfied that your
sponsor would be able to support you as stated and that there is a very real possibility
that you would become a burden on UK public funds.
I therefore refuse your EEA Family Permit application because I am not satisfied that
you meet all of the requirements of regulation 12 (see ECGs EUN2.23) of the
Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2016.

Hey TikTok,

Ok so they entire justification for refusal is because the Sponsor is on Public Benefits due to low income.

This is really difficult to argue against as a main condition of an EEA EFM Permit is that the dependent cannot become a "burden on public funds" if they're Application is successful.

It is only natural to assume that if someone is supporting their dependent relatives abroad they would do so from their own earnings however if they are receiving benefits that illustrates how they cannot support themselves never mind their dependent relatives.

I really don't know whether there is a strong argument against their refusal, however if you are able to show that the Sponsors circumstances have only changed recently whereby previously they were not claiming benefits then this could be shown as a temporary situation but even then the ECO is obliged to look at circumstances at the time of application.

Another route maybe to adopt her?

I'm not sure appealing the decision will result in a positive outcome but I wish I could give you more of a positive response.

I'm sure other members might shed some more light on this situation.

Thanks northern lights

The sponsor she's on low income because she baby 13 months old she can't work full time I was trying to appeal but It bit confusing

There you go, the sponsor has a valid reason for claiming those Benefits due to paternity leave so you can demonstrate that by sending in a Birth Certificate, Wage Slips prior to Birth etc.

I think rather than appealing, it's best you reapply with new evidence and as we can expect a refusal anyway (due to the hostile environment the Home Office have created for EFM applications) only then appeal.

The Appeal is pretty straight forward and doesn't cost a great deal of money. The only down side is that it takes a while to gain a date for the hearing. You do not have to attend either.

Thanks lot for reply
I did already include the birth certificate and even that they still refuse it but I didn't explain the situation

U think best way it's to reply and explain and then if they refuse appeal I'm worried they may refuse it for different reason and even If i appeal may not be successful

What do u think

UPDATE

Here is our timeline for our 4th EEA Extended Family Member Permit Application:

pplication Type: EEA Extended Family Member (Brother)
Online application: 14/01/2020
Documents Self Uploaded: 29/01/2020
Biometrics (Lahore VFS): 30/01/2020
Receipt Acknowledged (Liverpool): 31/01/2020
Email notification to collect Passport: 14/02/2020
Collection: 19/02/2020
Decision: REFUSED (Surprise, Surprise!)

Reason for Refusal:

"As evidence of being dependent on your Sponsor you have provided money Transfer Receipts from him to you. The fact of transferring money is not evidence that it is needed by the recipient. We would expect to see evidence which fully details yours and your family's circumstances, such as your income, expenditure and evidence of your financial position which would prove that without the financial support of your sponsor your essential needs could not be met.

Guidance states that financial dependence should be interpreted as meaning that you need the support of your EEA national in order to meet your essential needs in the country where you are present - not in order to have a certain level of income.
You have not demonstrated that the money you have received is used in any way to support you in meeting your essential needs.
It is noted you have provided a bank statement which covers the period 01 January 2019 to 14 January 2020
, however considering the length of time you claim to have been dependent on your sponsor, we expect to see evidence evidence of your financial status over a prolonged period."