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Tier 4 to Extended family member residence card of EEA national

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Re: Tier 4 to Extended family member residence card of EEA national

Post by vinny » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:13 am

An application made under the (European Economic Area) Regulations 2006 (“the regulations”) seeks confirmation that rights under the regulations are being exercised and, as such, does not require and applicant to hold leave to enter or remain
In other words,
If they confirm that you have rights under the Regulations, then they won’t treat you as an overstayer.
If they don’t confirm that you have rights under the Regulations, then they may treat you as an overstayer, until you succeed in convincing them otherwise, by appealing or sending more evidence, etc.
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Re: Tier 4 to Extended family member residence card of EEA national

Post by kamoe » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:37 am

vinny wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:13 am
An application made under the (European Economic Area) Regulations 2006 (“the regulations”) seeks confirmation that rights under the regulations are being exercised and, as such, does not require and applicant to hold leave to enter or remain
In other words,
If they confirm that you have rights under the Regulations, then they won’t treat you as an overstayer.
If they don’t confirm that you have rights under the Regulations, then they may treat you as an overstayer, until you succeed in convincing them otherwise, by appealing or sending more evidence, etc.
In other words, there is no guarantee the OP will not be treated as an overstayer, and the answer from the Home Office is, shockingly but not surprisingly, in error. :shock: (?)
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Re: Tier 4 to Extended family member residence card of EEA national

Post by vinny » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:49 am

They apparently missed out the the part of what happens when they don’t confirm.
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Re: Tier 4 to Extended family member residence card of EEA national

Post by kamoe » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:51 am

kinsha01 wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:43 am
Thanks for your answers. I have come across another interpretation of EEA-Application under Section 3c leave extended from this linkRight to reside under EEA (EFM) while awaiting decision.
You would have probably noticed the answer from the Home Office is saying what we have already established, that Section 3C does NOT protect EEA applications, in other words, that the applicant's current leave is not extended:
I can confirm that an application for an EEA Residence card is not covered under Section 3C.
Also, that confirmation of rights does not need an application for leave to remain:
An application made under the (European Economic Area) Regulations 2006 (“the regulations”) seeks confirmation that rights under the regulations are being exercised and, as such, does not require and applicant to hold leave to enter or remain.
But here is the thing: the above only applies to direct family members. As an extended family member you do NOT have automatic rights; you have those rights only when your card is issued (this is in line with vinny's opinion, if you get issued the EEA card you are good, if not, you are not).
In short, since an application of this nature is currently with us, you would not be classed as an overstayer when your previous leave expires and we would not expect you to leave the UK.
In my opinion, the caseworker who answered does not seem to know what they are doing... :shock: "since an application of this nature is currently with us," is not sufficient condition to conclude the applicant does not need leave to remain. They are treating the applicant as if they were a direct family member, which they are NOT. Their conclusion does NOT follow from the previous two statements.

This is as far as I can go in terms of interpretations here, I'll let more senior and knowledgeable members to confirm, correct me, or comment further.
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Re: Tier 4 to Extended family member residence card of EEA national

Post by vinny » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:24 pm

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Re: Tier 4 to Extended family member residence card of EEA national

Post by kinsha01 » Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:14 pm

Thanks, everyone for your help, and this board was very useful.
I want to update you that I have received my application for the EEA-EFM residence card letter with all my documents and passport returned in a post today on 11th March 2021 after 2 months and 10 days. I will receive my residence card within 10 days.

Apart from this, I would like to highlight my current student visa expired on 28th Feb, 2021. I was confused about my status after visa expiry as the EEA residence card application does not give permission to work to an extended family member while the application process. Then, I informed my employer before my visa expired and the employer carried Employee Check service. My employer informed me I still have the right to work in the UK while waiting on the EEA-EFM residence application process as I had a student visa before.

Actually, during EEA application processing, I was not sure about my right to stay and work in UK. I would say from my experience you do not become an overstayer if your current visa expires after you make an application(in case of EEA application), you can stay in-country and work which was in my case. But, this information was not available clearly anywhere.

I hope this helps.

Thanks

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Re: Tier 4 to Extended family member residence card of EEA national

Post by atwale44 » Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:39 pm

Congrats !
i have done my biometrics too. i pray to receive such good news too.

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Re: Tier 4 to Extended family member residence card of EEA national

Post by seekingadvice87 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:34 pm

kinsha01 wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:14 pm
Thanks, everyone for your help, and this board was very useful.
I want to update you that I have received my application for the EEA-EFM residence card letter with all my documents and passport returned in a post today on 11th March 2021 after 2 months and 10 days. I will receive my residence card within 10 days.

Apart from this, I would like to highlight my current student visa expired on 28th Feb, 2021. I was confused about my status after visa expiry as the EEA residence card application does not give permission to work to an extended family member while the application process. Then, I informed my employer before my visa expired and the employer carried Employee Check service. My employer informed me I still have the right to work in the UK while waiting on the EEA-EFM residence application process as I had a student visa before.

Actually, during EEA application processing, I was not sure about my right to stay and work in UK. I would say from my experience you do not become an overstayer if your current visa expires after you make an application(in case of EEA application), you can stay in-country and work which was in my case. But, this information was not available clearly anywhere.

I hope this helps.

Thanks
Congratulations 🥳 you’re kind to inform of your situation to help others.

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Re: Tier 4 to Extended family member residence card of EEA national

Post by seekingadvice87 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:35 pm

atwale44 wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:39 pm
Congrats !
i have done my biometrics too. i pray to receive such good news too.
Good luck to you too

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Re: Tier 4 to Extended family member residence card of EEA national

Post by kinsha01 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:45 pm

atwale44 wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:39 pm
Congrats !
i have done my biometrics too. i pray to receive such good news too.
Good luck :)

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