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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by LULUBABY » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:19 am

Trishermii wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:32 pm
Hello Members, I have been following is forum
for sometime now.. Like many here, i need some help please. I have lived in UK for almost 19years since my teenange years.I applied for EU settlement scheme in October 2019 as parimary carer of British child who is 14years with LTR. After reading Snookys posts and many here, I applied for derivative card in August 2020 bt was rejected the first time due to mistake in the application, the money was not refund and sent in another application which was refused in december bt was sick could not make an appeal.. I have not got any decision on EUSS yet, my supporting evidence was sent back few weeks ago with any note or letter and my leave to remain on parent route is expiring in few days.. Am very confused because, if its refused, then i dnt have chance to appeal because of time applied.i dnot know if i shoud rew my LTR in time or wait until it expires to wait for EUSS decision.. please help me..
Did you try checking your status online?. Also check your spam mails, just in case.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Trishermii » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:29 pm

Thanks for the reply,

I have checked 100 times almost everyday in ma emails and checked status online. And nothing received..
Snooky, The drf1 appeal expired when i was very sick couldnt make it in time..

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by apollo_alpha » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:08 pm

Hi Guys,

Is there any reported appeal regarding EUSS for zambrano carers?

snooky
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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by snooky » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:16 pm

Trishermii wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:29 pm
Thanks for the reply,

I have checked 100 times almost everyday in ma emails and checked status online. And nothing received..
Snooky, The drf1 appeal expired when i was very sick couldnt make it in time..

You can still do the appeal if you could show that due to that sickness that you were not able to process it earlier.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Spirit007 » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:37 pm

LULUBABY wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:19 am
Trishermii wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:32 pm
Hello Members, I have been following is forum
for sometime now.. Like many here, i need some help please. I have lived in UK for almost 19years since my teenange years.I applied for EU settlement scheme in October 2019 as parimary carer of British child who is 14years with LTR. After reading Snookys posts and many here, I applied for derivative card in August 2020 bt was rejected the first time due to mistake in the application, the money was not refund and sent in another application which was refused in december bt was sick could not make an appeal.. I have not got any decision on EUSS yet, my supporting evidence was sent back few weeks ago with any note or letter and my leave to remain on parent route is expiring in few days.. Am very confused because, if its refused, then i dnt have chance to appeal because of time applied.i dnot know if i shoud rew my LTR in time or wait until it expires to wait for EUSS decision.. please help me..
Did you try checking your status online?. Also check your spam mails, just in case.

How do you go about checking status online? I thought, it's not possible to do for paper applications. Please share the link to you.
Than you

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by LULUBABY » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:06 pm

Spirit007 wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:37 pm
LULUBABY wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:19 am
Trishermii wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:32 pm
Hello Members, I have been following is forum
for sometime now.. Like many here, i need some help please. I have lived in UK for almost 19years since my teenange years.I applied for EU settlement scheme in October 2019 as parimary carer of British child who is 14years with LTR. After reading Snookys posts and many here, I applied for derivative card in August 2020 bt was rejected the first time due to mistake in the application, the money was not refund and sent in another application which was refused in december bt was sick could not make an appeal.. I have not got any decision on EUSS yet, my supporting evidence was sent back few weeks ago with any note or letter and my leave to remain on parent route is expiring in few days.. Am very confused because, if its refused, then i dnt have chance to appeal because of time applied.i dnot know if i shoud rew my LTR in time or wait until it expires to wait for EUSS decision.. please help me..
Did you try checking your status online?. Also check your spam mails, just in case.

How do you go about checking status online? I thought, it's not possible to do for paper applications. Please share the link to you.
Than you
I usually type PROVE YOUR STATUS EUSS and it opens a page on gov.uk and I click on VIEW AND PROVE YOUR IMMIGRATION STATUS. I tried to copy and paste the link, hope it opens. https://www.gov.uk/view-prove-immigration-status

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Fustrated2019 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:55 pm

LULUBABY wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:34 am
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:02 am
snooky wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:27 am
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:31 am
Happy new month everyone.

@snooky please I need to pick your brains. I have received a date from the court for case management review before a hearing. I am appealing DFR1. I haven’t received anything from the home office and I haven’t sent anything either . I am self representing .
What will happen ? Can you please help?
Thank you
Hi

The reason why hearing has been converted to a Case Management Review Hearing is in order for the Judge to determine whether the case should proceed to a full hearing. If decided it is not necessary the Appellant’s case will be decided on the papers only.

The Immigration Tribunal often arranges Case Management Review (‘CMR’) Hearings where the Immigration Judge, Appellant, his or her representative and the Secretary of State for the Home Department’s representative attend to discuss any preparations required for the hearing. While there are few of these hearings, paragraph 7.2 of the relevant Practice Direction relates their significance:

The main purpose of the CMR is to confirm the points in issue prior to the substantive hearing. The judge conducting the hearing should be seeking to confirm the issues that will be raised by either side. ... The CMR is regarded as a hearing of the appeal and is held before an Immigration Judge.


@lulubaby all I can say is WOW! You sound super ready to take the home office on. Good on you sister. Thank you very much for your guidance . I will start working on mine with your guidance .

Now self representing against HOPO is a very dangerous thread to go. The HOPOs are ambiguous with their definitions and twist so much.

You will need to engage a representative to properly help you through.

You have to also make sure you have a bundle of Skeleton Argument and Witness Statement for your trial should your case goes on trial.

Prepare for courts proceedings else your case wouldn't succeed.

I always say to people to do paper applications because if you can't argue with law whilst in court with HOPO then it call a car crash.
@snooky
Sorry to be a pain . I have called several solicitors and their general conscensus is to abandon the appeal and renew as normal because the appeal will not succeed according to them but I don’t feel like giving up.

Please please help
I have the same problem too, they are asking me to renew. I feel I have to stick it out. If I abandon the appeal and renew (it is still renewal + HO invoice), if I end up with the appeal and renew (it is still renewal + HO invoice), if I succeed with the appeal (DRUM ROLL please ....AMAZING + MONEY BACK GUARANTEE).
Immediately I received HO invoice plus another letter stating a payment deadline, it was like a shock to my system. I stopped watching 'FIXER UPPER & FLIP OR FLOP'. I hit the keyboard.
I took the Judge's paper renewal refusal letter and read it again. I took note of my mistakes. I took Snooky's bundle and read it all again, I started from page 1 to the last of this topic and read it again and took note of the contributions about Zambrano carers with LTR. I took my HO EUSS refusal letter and read it again, noted their reasons for refusal.
I googled JR to find out the meaning and expectation/ what you hope to convince the lawyer.
I then started addressing myself as the Applicant and HO as the respondent. I then followed the format the HO lawyer used in presenting 'their' case and did mine.
By the time I finished, I looked at my work and knew that even my child will tell me "good job, mummy". I asked myself "did you drink STELLA when you did the paper submission?" The paper submission looked like 'a vehicle on top speed and the brakes failed shortly before approaching a slope.'
This last one I wrote looks more like a broken down vehicle on the motorway. I had more confidence like that driver waiting for AA to arrive.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Fustrated2019 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:00 pm

Fustrated2019 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:55 pm
LULUBABY wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:34 am
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:02 am
snooky wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:27 am


Hi

The reason why hearing has been converted to a Case Management Review Hearing is in order for the Judge to determine whether the case should proceed to a full hearing. If decided it is not necessary the Appellant’s case will be decided on the papers only.

The Immigration Tribunal often arranges Case Management Review (‘CMR’) Hearings where the Immigration Judge, Appellant, his or her representative and the Secretary of State for the Home Department’s representative attend to discuss any preparations required for the hearing. While there are few of these hearings, paragraph 7.2 of the relevant Practice Direction relates their significance:

The main purpose of the CMR is to confirm the points in issue prior to the substantive hearing. The judge conducting the hearing should be seeking to confirm the issues that will be raised by either side. ... The CMR is regarded as a hearing of the appeal and is held before an Immigration Judge.


@lulubaby all I can say is WOW! You sound super ready to take the home office on. Good on you sister. Thank you very much for your guidance . I will start working on mine with your guidance .

Now self representing against HOPO is a very dangerous thread to go. The HOPOs are ambiguous with their definitions and twist so much.

You will need to engage a representative to properly help you through.

You have to also make sure you have a bundle of Skeleton Argument and Witness Statement for your trial should your case goes on trial.

Prepare for courts proceedings else your case wouldn't succeed.

I always say to people to do paper applications because if you can't argue with law whilst in court with HOPO then it call a car crash.
@snooky
Sorry to be a pain . I have called several solicitors and their general conscensus is to abandon the appeal and renew as normal because the appeal will not succeed according to them but I don’t feel like giving up.

Please please help
I have the same problem too, they are asking me to renew. I feel I have to stick it out. If I abandon the appeal and renew (it is still renewal + HO invoice), if I end up with the appeal and renew (it is still renewal + HO invoice), if I succeed with the appeal (DRUM ROLL please ....AMAZING + MONEY BACK GUARANTEE).
Immediately I received HO invoice plus another letter stating a payment deadline, it was like a shock to my system. I stopped watching 'FIXER UPPER & FLIP OR FLOP'. I hit the keyboard.
I took the Judge's paper renewal refusal letter and read it again. I took note of my mistakes. I took Snooky's bundle and read it all again, I started from page 1 to the last of this topic and read it again and took note of the contributions about Zambrano carers with LTR. I took my HO EUSS refusal letter and read it again, noted their reasons for refusal.
I googled JR to find out the meaning and expectation/ what you hope to convince the lawyer.
I then started addressing myself as the Applicant and HO as the respondent. I then followed the format the HO lawyer used in presenting 'their' case and did mine.
By the time I finished, I looked at my work and knew that even my child will tell me "good job, mummy". I asked myself "did you drink STELLA when you did the paper submission?" The paper submission looked like 'a vehicle on top speed and the brakes failed shortly before approaching a slope.'
This last one I wrote looks more like a broken down vehicle on the motorway. I had more confidence like that driver waiting for AA to arrive.
@lulubaby , all I can say is WOW! You ready to face the HO and your post is given me the boost that i need. Thank you for listing the steps you have taken , its a GREAT help. Thank you very much

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Fustrated2019 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:08 pm

Fustrated2019 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:00 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:55 pm
LULUBABY wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:34 am
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:02 am


@snooky
Sorry to be a pain . I have called several solicitors and their general conscensus is to abandon the appeal and renew as normal because the appeal will not succeed according to them but I don’t feel like giving up.

Please please help
I have the same problem too, they are asking me to renew. I feel I have to stick it out. If I abandon the appeal and renew (it is still renewal + HO invoice), if I end up with the appeal and renew (it is still renewal + HO invoice), if I succeed with the appeal (DRUM ROLL please ....AMAZING + MONEY BACK GUARANTEE).
Immediately I received HO invoice plus another letter stating a payment deadline, it was like a shock to my system. I stopped watching 'FIXER UPPER & FLIP OR FLOP'. I hit the keyboard.
I took the Judge's paper renewal refusal letter and read it again. I took note of my mistakes. I took Snooky's bundle and read it all again, I started from page 1 to the last of this topic and read it again and took note of the contributions about Zambrano carers with LTR. I took my HO EUSS refusal letter and read it again, noted their reasons for refusal.
I googled JR to find out the meaning and expectation/ what you hope to convince the lawyer.
I then started addressing myself as the Applicant and HO as the respondent. I then followed the format the HO lawyer used in presenting 'their' case and did mine.
By the time I finished, I looked at my work and knew that even my child will tell me "good job, mummy". I asked myself "did you drink STELLA when you did the paper submission?" The paper submission looked like 'a vehicle on top speed and the brakes failed shortly before approaching a slope.'
This last one I wrote looks more like a broken down vehicle on the motorway. I had more confidence like that driver waiting for AA to arrive.
@lulubaby , all I can say is WOW! You ready to face the HO and your post is given me the boost that i need. Thank you for listing the steps you have taken , its a GREAT help. Thank you very much
@lulubaby @snooky I havent received anything from the home office. Is this normal ?

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Spirit007 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:05 am

LULUBABY wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:06 pm
Spirit007 wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:37 pm
LULUBABY wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:19 am
Trishermii wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:32 pm
Hello Members, I have been following is forum
for sometime now.. Like many here, i need some help please. I have lived in UK for almost 19years since my teenange years.I applied for EU settlement scheme in October 2019 as parimary carer of British child who is 14years with LTR. After reading Snookys posts and many here, I applied for derivative card in August 2020 bt was rejected the first time due to mistake in the application, the money was not refund and sent in another application which was refused in december bt was sick could not make an appeal.. I have not got any decision on EUSS yet, my supporting evidence was sent back few weeks ago with any note or letter and my leave to remain on parent route is expiring in few days.. Am very confused because, if its refused, then i dnt have chance to appeal because of time applied.i dnot know if i shoud rew my LTR in time or wait until it expires to wait for EUSS decision.. please help me..
Did you try checking your status online?. Also check your spam mails, just in case.

How do you go about checking status online? I thought, it's not possible to do for paper applications. Please share the link to you.
Than you
I usually type PROVE YOUR STATUS EUSS and it opens a page on gov.uk and I click on VIEW AND PROVE YOUR IMMIGRATION STATUS. I tried to copy and paste the link, hope it opens. https://www.gov.uk/view-prove-immigration-status
Thank you Lulubaby,
I did used the link and it gave me the same output; "the details entered don't match our records". Despite having entered the correct passport number and DOB.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by snooky » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:33 pm

Fustrated2019 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:08 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:00 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:55 pm
LULUBABY wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:34 am


I have the same problem too, they are asking me to renew. I feel I have to stick it out. If I abandon the appeal and renew (it is still renewal + HO invoice), if I end up with the appeal and renew (it is still renewal + HO invoice), if I succeed with the appeal (DRUM ROLL please ....AMAZING + MONEY BACK GUARANTEE).
Immediately I received HO invoice plus another letter stating a payment deadline, it was like a shock to my system. I stopped watching 'FIXER UPPER & FLIP OR FLOP'. I hit the keyboard.
I took the Judge's paper renewal refusal letter and read it again. I took note of my mistakes. I took Snooky's bundle and read it all again, I started from page 1 to the last of this topic and read it again and took note of the contributions about Zambrano carers with LTR. I took my HO EUSS refusal letter and read it again, noted their reasons for refusal.
I googled JR to find out the meaning and expectation/ what you hope to convince the lawyer.
I then started addressing myself as the Applicant and HO as the respondent. I then followed the format the HO lawyer used in presenting 'their' case and did mine.
By the time I finished, I looked at my work and knew that even my child will tell me "good job, mummy". I asked myself "did you drink STELLA when you did the paper submission?" The paper submission looked like 'a vehicle on top speed and the brakes failed shortly before approaching a slope.'
This last one I wrote looks more like a broken down vehicle on the motorway. I had more confidence like that driver waiting for AA to arrive.
@lulubaby , all I can say is WOW! You ready to face the HO and your post is given me the boost that i need. Thank you for listing the steps you have taken , its a GREAT help. Thank you very much
@lulubaby @snooky I havent received anything from the home office. Is this normal ?

Hi

HO is full of surprises so everything is normal.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by snooky » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:38 pm

Spirit007 wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:05 am
LULUBABY wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:06 pm
Spirit007 wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:37 pm
LULUBABY wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:19 am


Did you try checking your status online?. Also check your spam mails, just in case.

How do you go about checking status online? I thought, it's not possible to do for paper applications. Please share the link to you.
Than you
I usually type PROVE YOUR STATUS EUSS and it opens a page on gov.uk and I click on VIEW AND PROVE YOUR IMMIGRATION STATUS. I tried to copy and paste the link, hope it opens. https://www.gov.uk/view-prove-immigration-status
Thank you Lulubaby,
I did used the link and it gave me the same output; "the details entered don't match our records". Despite having entered the correct passport number and DOB.
Hi

When the prove my status gets you those information, meaning your inputed information by the HO are wrong, and or your files are not live.

So many have been granted euss but can't access this tool all because of of typographical error.

You would have to fon the team and make a complaint.

If you haven't got euss then your bio-data information wouldn't be live as it is still restricted.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Fustrated2019 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:08 pm

snooky wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:33 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:08 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:00 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:55 pm
@lulubaby , all I can say is WOW! You ready to face the HO and your post is given me the boost that i need. Thank you for listing the steps you have taken , its a GREAT help. Thank you very much
@lulubaby @snooky I havent received anything from the home office. Is this normal ?

Hi

HO is full of surprises so everything is normal.
Hi @snooky @lulubaby please can anyone show me a sample bundle i can use as a template to write . I have been reading Reg16 against the decision of the HO and according to the law I qualify. PLEASE PLEASE help me. Thank you

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by LULUBABY » Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:16 pm

Trishermii wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:29 pm
Thanks for the reply,

I have checked 100 times almost everyday in ma emails and checked status online. And nothing received..
Snooky, The drf1 appeal expired when i was very sick couldnt make it in time..
When exactly did it expire?. How long were you sick and how are you now?. Did you call or go to the GP?.
I ask because I was so down with Covid since December that I couldn't submit another DRF1 application and I missed the deadline. It was just my child and I. I couldn't afford to rest since I am just clinging on JR, I felt the stakes were so high. I kept on crying, sleepless, trying to keep reading and writing and it refused to go and I wasn't getting better, plus home schooling. I called the GP, was given a prescription and decided to take some days off writing, just crying and watching telly.
I missed my oral hearing submission deadline by almost a month.
I was so scared that the lateness would get longer so I just decided to get up and managed and continued writing.
I submitted it with the evidence of my illness and GP prescription and it was accepted.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by LULUBABY » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:31 pm

Fustrated2019 wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:08 pm
snooky wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:33 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:08 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:00 pm


@lulubaby , all I can say is WOW! You ready to face the HO and your post is given me the boost that i need. Thank you for listing the steps you have taken , its a GREAT help. Thank you very much
@lulubaby @snooky I havent received anything from the home office. Is this normal ?

Hi

HO is full of surprises so everything is normal.
Hi @snooky @lulubaby please can anyone show me a sample bundle i can use as a template to write . I have been reading Reg16 against the decision of the HO and according to the law I qualify. PLEASE PLEASE help me. Thank you
I used that same bundle Snooky posted. Remember Mubashir used it and Ngoo edited and used it too, for their DRF1 paper appeals too but because mine was EUSS and I had LTR, I used that same bundle but only the parts applicable to sole carer but I added Snooky's write up about Judge Neville 'after hearing a number of test cases .....' among other cases. The only thing I know I did differently in my submission for oral hearing was that 'I brought the whole discussion home'.
I kept on referring to what the HO (Respondent) said to me (The Applicant) in their response /decision, drawing analysis and comparing what the Judges said in those various cases/judgements with dates I mentioned, similar to my situation (the Applicant).
I mentioned that Zambrano carers (The Applicant) didn't need a card to be recognised (backed it by a case law/Judgement with the date).

There was something Obie said about 'advancing Zeldu' , (? I can't remember the spelling now, but know it starts with Z) in which he/she was replying lolwe in lolwe's contribution about Judge Grubb. I thought to myself ' lolwe said Obie is very good at Supreme Court cases, Obie believes in this Zambrano with ltr HO matter and sounds like Snooky - saying HO was wrong in the way they were acting towards Zambrano carers with LTR and believing in Zambrano appeal'. I quickly googled and kept searching till I found that judgement, read and used it.
Zambrano carers (The Applicant) had a right to reside, and also mentioned that if my rights had been recognised I would have already had a derivative card and spent my 5 years.
I also mentioned and talked about other judgements relating to Zambrano mentioned on this forum but discussed it as it relates / applies to my situation/HO EUSS refusal.
Apparently my write up still had some case laws / judgements without dates, (Oh lulubaby), so it was difficult figuring out which one I was talking about (I only realised a few days ago while reading the letter I received).

I mentioned lolwe's Judge Grubb contribution but unfortunately it couldn't be figured out because I put no date.

It is still early days but trust me if I can get this far, you can. It got to the point where I broke down in tears that I had lost all the pages I opened, only for my child to say 'calm down mummy' and showed me where he 'kept' all of them for me (only after I had promised him not to do it again) since he needed to do school work and couldn't believe 'one person' can open so many pages all over the screen on his computer. (Phew).

Read Snooky's recent post while replying to Gee4. I am already reading it and trying to take corrections.

Also read the recent Alvi Snooky talked about too.

Are those cases / Judgements called case law or judgement? ( I have no clue), but I hope you understand what I am trying to explain.

We shall overcome.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Fustrated2019 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:09 pm

LULUBABY wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:31 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:08 pm
snooky wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:33 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:08 pm


@lulubaby @snooky I havent received anything from the home office. Is this normal ?

Hi

HO is full of surprises so everything is normal.
Hi @snooky @lulubaby please can anyone show me a sample bundle i can use as a template to write . I have been reading Reg16 against the decision of the HO and according to the law I qualify. PLEASE PLEASE help me. Thank you
I used that same bundle Snooky posted. Remember Mubashir used it and Ngoo edited and used it too, for their DRF1 paper appeals too but because mine was EUSS and I had LTR, I used that same bundle but only the parts applicable to sole carer but I added Snooky's write up about Judge Neville 'after hearing a number of test cases .....' among other cases. The only thing I know I did differently in my submission for oral hearing was that 'I brought the whole discussion home'.
I kept on referring to what the HO (Respondent) said to me (The Applicant) in their response /decision, drawing analysis and comparing what the Judges said in those various cases/judgements with dates I mentioned, similar to my situation (the Applicant).
I mentioned that Zambrano carers (The Applicant) didn't need a card to be recognised (backed it by a case law/Judgement with the date).

There was something Obie said about 'advancing Zeldu' , (? I can't remember the spelling now, but know it starts with Z) in which he/she was replying lolwe in lolwe's contribution about Judge Grubb. I thought to myself ' lolwe said Obie is very good at Supreme Court cases, Obie believes in this Zambrano with ltr HO matter and sounds like Snooky - saying HO was wrong in the way they were acting towards Zambrano carers with LTR and believing in Zambrano appeal'. I quickly googled and kept searching till I found that judgement, read and used it.
Zambrano carers (The Applicant) had a right to reside, and also mentioned that if my rights had been recognised I would have already had a derivative card and spent my 5 years.
I also mentioned and talked about other judgements relating to Zambrano mentioned on this forum but discussed it as it relates / applies to my situation/HO EUSS refusal.
Apparently my write up still had some case laws / judgements without dates, (Oh lulubaby), so it was difficult figuring out which one I was talking about (I only realised a few days ago while reading the letter I received).

I mentioned lolwe's Judge Grubb contribution but unfortunately it couldn't be figured out because I put no date.

It is still early days but trust me if I can get this far, you can. It got to the point where I broke down in tears that I had lost all the pages I opened, only for my child to say 'calm down mummy' and showed me where he 'kept' all of them for me (only after I had promised him not to do it again) since he needed to do school work and couldn't believe 'one person' can open so many pages all over the screen on his computer. (Phew).

Read Snooky's recent post while replying to Gee4. I am already reading it and trying to take corrections.

Also read the recent Alvi Snooky talked about too.

Are those cases / Judgements called case law or judgement? ( I have no clue), but I hope you understand what I am trying to explain.

We shall overcome.
Thank you so much. I will look up all those cases and build my bundle . Thank you so much . God bless you 🙏

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Mata » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:08 pm

Miss-Suz wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:27 am
Just so you know, in my DFR1 refusal letter, the Home Office encourage me to leave the country knowing that I am a parent of a British Citizen. So they just don’t care about the future of our children.
So, why did HO "encourage" you to leave the UK than applying for a deportation order? Most will agree with me that there is no country in the world with soft immigration rules. In fact, some of us come from countries with the toughest immigrations rules in the world compared to the UK. Once an immigration decision has been made, there is no right of appeal, review or reconsideration. So, at least, we have to understand that in the UK, you have a right to appear to certain decisions.

As for the UK, the HO will encourage and even send threats to scare you off. This happens quite often and also happened to me in the past. It is scaring initially, but you have to stand firm, know your rights and fight for them. An example, few years back my friend's application to extend her visa was refused and the letter threatened her that she must leave the UK immediately, otherwise she was going to be "deported". I told her the least they could do was to "administratively remove" her but still I couldn't the basis for this. We wrote a letter directly to then UKBA director, and explained to him why we felt the decision was wrong and for him provide us with the deportation order from the court. Few weeks later, HO wrote to her asking for her passport and an updated bank statement and she was granted leave to remain.

What I am trying to say is that don't get scared off by the HO office letters. There are there to do that. Their is their role, stop immigrants. So, you will have to stand firm against them. You will have to read lot as well around the UK immigration to understand your rights. Prepare yourself and don't leave it until the last minute. Surround yourself with people who know this area. Read forums like this as they are very very helpful. Be aware of some professionals out there who scare people so they can exploit them financially. I know some birth countries of birth might not the same as the UK but I always remained positive that if I didn't succeed, at least I had somewhere to go, i.e. my own country. Not being to live in the UK is not the end of the world.

Regarding Zambrano rights, HO has so far rejected the majority of EUSS applications that rely on Zambrano rights. Critics say that this has the potential to shut many carers out of the Settlement Scheme. The refusals are purely based on financial reasons and this is why HO is encouraging people to apply through other routes where you have pay a fee not only for the first application, but also for subsequent extensions.

However, Zambrano carers have Supreme Court's decision in Shah to rely on. The decision incorporates the approach of the Court of Justice, in Chavez Vilchez, Dereci, KA, etc., and reflects the complex position of Zambrano carers. The jurisprudence for the carers of children is now much closer to a human rights assessment than the (brief) Zambrano case itself, with a child’s ‘best interests’ and Article 7 of the Charter being relevant, as opposed to simply questions of Union citizenship and compulsion [NB: UK is no longer an EU member].

The Supreme Court Patel decision helps applicants more than the Court of Appeal version. The Court of Appeal Patel case led to unhelpful updates to the Derivative Residence Card Guidance, requiring a Zambrano application to be only a last resort and mandating a refusal if a human rights application had not been made earlier. The Guidance has not yet been changed and most of us know why this is the case. So, let's not get intimidated by the HO or others, rather, let's stay positive and focus on building strong legal (not political) arguments in our appeals against the HO. This is not a legal advise but to share my experience of dealing with not only the HO but other UK undertakings, let it be your landlord/estate agency. Don't be scared off. Know your position. Your rights. Research around. Fight for your rights. Stay positive.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by snooky » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:07 pm

Fustrated2019 wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:09 pm
LULUBABY wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:31 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:08 pm
snooky wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:33 pm



Hi

HO is full of surprises so everything is normal.
Hi @snooky @lulubaby please can anyone show me a sample bundle i can use as a template to write . I have been reading Reg16 against the decision of the HO and according to the law I qualify. PLEASE PLEASE help me. Thank you
I used that same bundle Snooky posted. Remember Mubashir used it and Ngoo edited and used it too, for their DRF1 paper appeals too but because mine was EUSS and I had LTR, I used that same bundle but only the parts applicable to sole carer but I added Snooky's write up about Judge Neville 'after hearing a number of test cases .....' among other cases. The only thing I know I did differently in my submission for oral hearing was that 'I brought the whole discussion home'.
I kept on referring to what the HO (Respondent) said to me (The Applicant) in their response /decision, drawing analysis and comparing what the Judges said in those various cases/judgements with dates I mentioned, similar to my situation (the Applicant).
I mentioned that Zambrano carers (The Applicant) didn't need a card to be recognised (backed it by a case law/Judgement with the date).

There was something Obie said about 'advancing Zeldu' , (? I can't remember the spelling now, but know it starts with Z) in which he/she was replying lolwe in lolwe's contribution about Judge Grubb. I thought to myself ' lolwe said Obie is very good at Supreme Court cases, Obie believes in this Zambrano with ltr HO matter and sounds like Snooky - saying HO was wrong in the way they were acting towards Zambrano carers with LTR and believing in Zambrano appeal'. I quickly googled and kept searching till I found that judgement, read and used it.
Zambrano carers (The Applicant) had a right to reside, and also mentioned that if my rights had been recognised I would have already had a derivative card and spent my 5 years.
I also mentioned and talked about other judgements relating to Zambrano mentioned on this forum but discussed it as it relates / applies to my situation/HO EUSS refusal.
Apparently my write up still had some case laws / judgements without dates, (Oh lulubaby), so it was difficult figuring out which one I was talking about (I only realised a few days ago while reading the letter I received).

I mentioned lolwe's Judge Grubb contribution but unfortunately it couldn't be figured out because I put no date.

It is still early days but trust me if I can get this far, you can. It got to the point where I broke down in tears that I had lost all the pages I opened, only for my child to say 'calm down mummy' and showed me where he 'kept' all of them for me (only after I had promised him not to do it again) since he needed to do school work and couldn't believe 'one person' can open so many pages all over the screen on his computer. (Phew).

Read Snooky's recent post while replying to Gee4. I am already reading it and trying to take corrections.

Also read the recent Alvi Snooky talked about too.

Are those cases / Judgements called case law or judgement? ( I have no clue), but I hope you understand what I am trying to explain.

We shall overcome.
Thank you so much. I will look up all those cases and build my bundle . Thank you so much . God bless you 🙏
Hi

Hi @snooky @lulubaby please can anyone show me a sample bundle i can use as a template to write . I have been reading Reg16 against the decision of the HO and according to the law I qualify. PLEASE PLEASE help me. Thank you
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Go for it what is rightfully yours. Fight them both left and right to secure it. HO has blind a lot of people and got away with murder.

Big ups


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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by snooky » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:09 pm

Mata wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:08 pm
Miss-Suz wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:27 am
Just so you know, in my DFR1 refusal letter, the Home Office encourage me to leave the country knowing that I am a parent of a British Citizen. So they just don’t care about the future of our children.
So, why did HO "encourage" you to leave the UK than applying for a deportation order? Most will agree with me that there is no country in the world with soft immigration rules. In fact, some of us come from countries with the toughest immigrations rules in the world compared to the UK. Once an immigration decision has been made, there is no right of appeal, review or reconsideration. So, at least, we have to understand that in the UK, you have a right to appear to certain decisions.

As for the UK, the HO will encourage and even send threats to scare you off. This happens quite often and also happened to me in the past. It is scaring initially, but you have to stand firm, know your rights and fight for them. An example, few years back my friend's application to extend her visa was refused and the letter threatened her that she must leave the UK immediately, otherwise she was going to be "deported". I told her the least they could do was to "administratively remove" her but still I couldn't the basis for this. We wrote a letter directly to then UKBA director, and explained to him why we felt the decision was wrong and for him provide us with the deportation order from the court. Few weeks later, HO wrote to her asking for her passport and an updated bank statement and she was granted leave to remain.

What I am trying to say is that don't get scared off by the HO office letters. There are there to do that. Their is their role, stop immigrants. So, you will have to stand firm against them. You will have to read lot as well around the UK immigration to understand your rights. Prepare yourself and don't leave it until the last minute. Surround yourself with people who know this area. Read forums like this as they are very very helpful. Be aware of some professionals out there who scare people so they can exploit them financially. I know some birth countries of birth might not the same as the UK but I always remained positive that if I didn't succeed, at least I had somewhere to go, i.e. my own country. Not being to live in the UK is not the end of the world.

Regarding Zambrano rights, HO has so far rejected the majority of EUSS applications that rely on Zambrano rights. Critics say that this has the potential to shut many carers out of the Settlement Scheme. The refusals are purely based on financial reasons and this is why HO is encouraging people to apply through other routes where you have pay a fee not only for the first application, but also for subsequent extensions.

However, Zambrano carers have Supreme Court's decision in Shah to rely on. The decision incorporates the approach of the Court of Justice, in Chavez Vilchez, Dereci, KA, etc., and reflects the complex position of Zambrano carers. The jurisprudence for the carers of children is now much closer to a human rights assessment than the (brief) Zambrano case itself, with a child’s ‘best interests’ and Article 7 of the Charter being relevant, as opposed to simply questions of Union citizenship and compulsion [NB: UK is no longer an EU member].

The Supreme Court Patel decision helps applicants more than the Court of Appeal version. The Court of Appeal Patel case led to unhelpful updates to the Derivative Residence Card Guidance, requiring a Zambrano application to be only a last resort and mandating a refusal if a human rights application had not been made earlier. The Guidance has not yet been changed and most of us know why this is the case. So, let's not get intimidated by the HO or others, rather, let's stay positive and focus on building strong legal (not political) arguments in our appeals against the HO. This is not a legal advise but to share my experience of dealing with not only the HO but other UK undertakings, let it be your landlord/estate agency. Don't be scared off. Know your position. Your rights. Research around. Fight for your rights. Stay positive.
Hi

Good courage and nice piece.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Fustrated2019 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:10 pm

Hi@snooky i have received an email from the presenting officer requesting that I send my evidence to them but I haven’t received anything from them . Is this the normal process ?

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