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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by LULUBABY » Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:50 pm

apollo_alpha wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:41 pm
Hi All,

I have received notification from the FTt this morning about the Home Office requesting permission to appeal the FTt decision to the Upper tribunal.

Not what i want but will keep you posted about whether they are grated permission to appeal to the Upper tribubal.

Im also interested to know if the Home Office got permission to appeal the Akinsanya judgement to the court of Appeal.

@Lulubaby have the home office confirmed if they got permission to appeal to the Counrt of Appeal?

So far the HO hasn't notified me that they have appealed the Akinsanya judgement. I have read again their previous email (which I posted here) and it looks like the Trubunal agreed to stay another JR waiting for the HO intended Akinsanya appeal but mine was not stayed.

The Judge also asked HO to notify the Tribunal and myself as soon as they appeal Akinsanya judgement but they haven't notified me yet.
Anyway I am still waiting for their Supplementary grounds submission to see whether my points are still overlapping or they have something new to say.

I thought I had seen it all....Mhhhhhh HO.

My grandmother always told everyone that anyday Lulubaby becomes 'lost for words', they should know that it is very serious, that they shouldn't bother checking temperature or pulse, that they should take Lulubaby straight to the hospital. Mhhhhhh HO...Mhhhhhh....

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Obie » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:32 am

Well they have filed permission to appeal.

It will appear they have also been granted permission.

We will see how it goes, as I cannot see any 3 right minded judge allowing Home Office's appeal.

https://casetracker.justice.gov.uk/getD ... d=20211138

It is an issue of general public importance. Therefore the Court of Appeal are always going to grant permission.

It certainly does not mean Home Office are going to succeed.
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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by gee4 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:59 pm

LULUBABY wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:19 pm
gee4 wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:27 pm
Obie wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:04 pm
gee4 wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:50 pm
Obie wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:35 pm
Try the digital one.

https://user-auth.apply-to-visit-or-sta ... %20profile
I have tracked severally on there and still showing your application has been refused as it has been showing since my Zambrano application was refused
I think that is wrong. The Home Office has made an undertaking before the Admin court that people in your situation will be permitted to work pending the decision in the Court of appeal . That consent order and undertaking is legally binding.

Write and ask for COA permitting you to work. If they insist on not giving you one, send the Consent order before the court and threaten JR, and follow it on.
Who do I write to request this please, I’ve been searching and calling just to find a solution to being able to prove my right to work.
Where can I find this undertaking before the Admin court please
Gee, did you manage to write them?.
Hi Lullaby, I’m still struggling to confirm my right to work. I requested for my COA but my employer is requesting that I should provide another evidence as the COA is dated over a year now that the application should have been concluded.
I don’t know what else I can do, I feel so helpless and wondering why HO has decided to be so unfair, I have no current leave to remain which makes everything so difficult for me.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by LULUBABY » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:58 pm

gee4 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:59 pm
LULUBABY wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:19 pm
gee4 wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:27 pm
Obie wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:04 pm
gee4 wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:50 pm
Obie wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:35 pm
Try the digital one.

https://user-auth.apply-to-visit-or-sta ... %20profile
I have tracked severally on there and still showing your application has been refused as it has been showing since my Zambrano application was refused
I think that is wrong. The Home Office has made an undertaking before the Admin court that people in your situation will be permitted to work pending the decision in the Court of appeal . That consent order and undertaking is legally binding.

Write and ask for COA permitting you to work. If they insist on not giving you one, send the Consent order before the court and threaten JR, and follow it on.
Who do I write to request this please, I’ve been searching and calling just to find a solution to being able to prove my right to work.
Where can I find this undertaking before the Admin court please
Gee, did you manage to write them?.
Hi Lullaby, I’m still struggling to confirm my right to work. I requested for my COA but my employer is requesting that I should provide another evidence as the COA is dated over a year now that the application should have been concluded.
I don’t know what else I can do, I feel so helpless and wondering why HO has decided to be so unfair, I have no current leave to remain which makes everything so difficult for me.
Explain in an email to them that you applied for EUSS but you ended up in court with the HO.

Attach a copy of your decision letter from the court (not the letter stating HO is appealing).

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Obie » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:01 pm

There use to be the neweurocoa request email. Have you tried making a request through it?
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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by gee4 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:08 pm

LULUBABY wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:58 pm
gee4 wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:59 pm
LULUBABY wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:19 pm
gee4 wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:27 pm
Obie wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:04 pm
gee4 wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:50 pm

I have tracked severally on there and still showing your application has been refused as it has been showing since my Zambrano application was refused
I think that is wrong. The Home Office has made an undertaking before the Admin court that people in your situation will be permitted to work pending the decision in the Court of appeal . That consent order and undertaking is legally binding.

Write and ask for COA permitting you to work. If they insist on not giving you one, send the Consent order before the court and threaten JR, and follow it on.
Who do I write to request this please, I’ve been searching and calling just to find a solution to being able to prove my right to work.
Where can I find this undertaking before the Admin court please
Gee, did you manage to write them?.
Hi Lullaby, I’m still struggling to confirm my right to work. I requested for my COA but my employer is requesting that I should provide another evidence as the COA is dated over a year now that the application should have been concluded.
I don’t know what else I can do, I feel so helpless and wondering why HO has decided to be so unfair, I have no current leave to remain which makes everything so difficult for me.
Explain in an email to them that you applied for EUSS but you ended up in court with the HO.

Attach a copy of your decision letter from the court (not the letter stating HO is appealing).
Do you know which email address is right to contact please

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by gee4 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:08 pm

Obie wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:01 pm
There use to be the neweurocoa request email. Have you tried making a request through it?
Do you have the email address please

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Obie » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:17 pm

That is the email i use to make requests.
Not sure if they still accept requests through it.


NWEUROCOARequests@homeoffice.gov.uk
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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by gee4 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:47 pm

Obie wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:17 pm
That is the email i use to make requests.
Not sure if they still accept requests through it.


NWEUROCOARequests@homeoffice.gov.uk
Thank you, I will send an email to the address, hopefully someone picks it up

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by LULUBABY » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:09 am

Home Office failed to submit their Supplementary Grounds for Defence yesterday as instructed by the Tribunal Judge.

I am just wondering what comes next.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Miss-Suz » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:39 am

LULUBABY wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:09 am
Home Office failed to submit their Supplementary Grounds for Defence yesterday as instructed by the Tribunal Judge.

I am just wondering what comes next.
That is making me think they got nothing for their defence. They are just playing as a result putting people life on hold. As Skoony previously said HO knows already they are finish but they don’t want to go down without a fight

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Post by LULUBABY » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:49 pm

UPDATE:

Oh my God I have headache, feels like I want to have fever, I am trembling.

I just checked and have just seen an email from the HO. The HO is asking me to withdraw my JR.

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Post by Obie » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:51 pm

LULUBABY wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:49 pm
UPDATE:

Oh my God I have headache, feels like I want to have fever, I am trembling.

I just checked and have just seen an email from the HO. The HO is asking me to withdraw my JR.
That is progress, but try and study the terms of the consent order carefully.
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Post by LULUBABY » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:05 pm

Obie wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:51 pm
LULUBABY wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:49 pm
UPDATE:

Oh my God I have headache, feels like I want to have fever, I am trembling.

I just checked and have just seen an email from the HO. The HO is asking me to withdraw my JR.
That is progress, but try and study the terms of the consent order carefully.
I have headache, can't concentrate, I can't even study anything anymore.
Please am I allowed to post the consent order?.
Oh my God.

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Post by Obie » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:08 pm

Don't send personal details on the forum please , or any information that could be used to identify you.
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Post by LULUBABY » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:17 pm

UPON the Respondent agreeing to withdraw the decisions dated Xxxxxxxx and issuing a fresh decision within 3 months from the date of the conclusion of the Court of Appeal determination in the lead case of Akinsanya (absent special circumstances necessitating further time).

BY CONSENT, it is ordered that:-

1. The Applicant do have leave to withdraw this judicial review application; and
2. The Respondent do pay the reasonable costs of the Applicant, to be assessed if not agreed.
3. The Oral Permission hearing listed for xxxxxx be vacated.



I don't even know what this means.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Greatgreat » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:27 pm

LULUBABY wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:17 pm
UPON the Respondent agreeing to withdraw the decisions dated Xxxxxxxx and issuing a fresh decision within 3 months from the date of the conclusion of the Court of Appeal determination in the lead case of Akinsanya (absent special circumstances necessitating further time).

BY CONSENT, it is ordered that:-

1. The Applicant do have leave to withdraw this judicial review application; and
2. The Respondent do pay the reasonable costs of the Applicant, to be assessed if not agreed.
3. The Oral Permission hearing listed for xxxxxx be vacated.



I don't even know what this means.
@lulubaby, to my understanding, they want you to withdraw your JR and wait till their appeal on the Akinsanya case is decided! Basically if that case takes forever, you'll wait till then. And your outcome will be subjected to whatever outcome of that case is. I would continue with my JR if this were me, No deal!
Kindly wait for others to comment too. Best wishes.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by LULUBABY » Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:38 pm

RENEWAL GROUNDS:

The kernel of the Applicant’s renewal grounds is this:
“The declaratory effect of the Supreme court's decision [in Patel v SSHD [2019] UKSC 59] is such that, the fact that I may be able to establish an alternative basis for remaining in the UK does not detract from my EU right of residence derived from the effect of my British citizen child being unable to remain in the UK. The SSHD's policy that a Zambrano carer must first make an unsuccessful fee-paid human rights application before an application under the 2016 Regulations can be submitted is unlawful. Per Judge Neville, the SSHD's guidance contains legal principles which are 'unsupported by, and in some cases completely at odds with, previous authority.” (emphasis added).

Akinsanya
5. In Akinsanya, the High Court decided the question of whether a claim for a Zambrano right of residence was extinguished by the existence of a current limited right to remain under national law. . In the instant case, the issue is whether the ability to apply for limited leave to remain under national law precludes a Zambrano right of residence. The substantive point of law under consideration in Akinsanya is thus substantively the same and at least substantially overlaps with that under consideration in the instant case.

6. In the consent order in Akinsanya, approved by the High Court on 17 June 2021 and enclosed, the parties agreed to the directions:
“a. The Secretary of State is to reconsider the relevant provisions of Appendix EU of the Immigration Rules ("Appendix EU");
b. The Secretary of State will not determine applications made under Appendix EU on the basis that the applicant is or was a person with a Zambrano right to reside ('Zambrano application') and is affected by the Court's judgment, until after she has completed her reconsideration of Appendix EUl;
c. In paragraph (a)(v) of the definition of 'required date' in Annex 1 to Appendix EU the reference to "limited leave to enter or remain granted under another part of these Rules or outside the Immigration Rules which has not lapsed or been cancelled, curtailed or invalidated" includes leave to enter or remain granted under another part of these Rules or outside the Immigration Rules which is extended by operation of section 3C of the Immigration Act 1971;
d. To the extent that paragraph 34BB of the Immigration Rules applies to a Zambrano application, it will be disregarded where there is (i) an outstanding valid Zambrano application for leave to remain under Appendix EU and a valid application for leave to remain is subsequently made under Appendix FM based on the same circumstances; and (ii) an outstanding valid application for leave to remain under Appendix FM and a valid Zambrano application for leave to remain is subsequently made under Appendix EU based on the same circumstances as the Appendix FM application;
e. The Secretary of State intends to implement and publicise a policy under which, for a reasonable period of time which she will specify, but which will be for a period of not less than six weeks after publication of the outcome of her reconsideration referred to at a. above, Zambrano applications made on or after 1 July 2021 will be deemed, under the definition of 'required date' in Annex 1 to Appendix EU, to have reasonable grounds for the person's failure to make that application at the earlier date relevant under that definition.
f. In accordance with paragraph (c) of the definition of "EEA Regulations" in Annex 1 of Appendix EU, the question of whether an applicant is a person with a Zambrano right to reside as defined in Appendix EU in respect of a period on or after 1 July 2021 is to be determined on the basis of the Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2016 as they had effect immediately before they were revoked, and, where the context requires it, on the basis that they had not been revoked;
g. Where a valid Zambrano application is made on or before 30 June 2021, the Secretary of State provides the applicant with a certificate of application confirming their entitlement to work, study and rent a place to live, until final determination of their Zambrano application;
h. The Secretary of State is considering the position in relation to the issue of similar certificates for applications made under Appendix EU on or after 1 July 2021, including in relation to Zambrano applications;
i. Before expiry of the period referred to in e., above, where persons are encountered by Immigration Enforcement on or after 1 July 2021 who may be eligible for leave as potential Zambrano applicants under Appendix EU in light of the judgment, such persons will be provided with written notice giving them an
opportunity to make a valid application under Appendix EU, normally within 28 days of the date of the written notice.”
7. The Respondent lodged an appeal to the Court of Appeal against the High Court’s decision in Akinsanya (Xxxxxxxxxx) and permission to appeal has granted by the Court of Appeal on both grounds.
8. In light of the consent order and the grant of permission to appeal, the Respondent offers to withdraw the decision under challenge and to reconsider the Applicant’s EUSS application, with a fresh decision issued three months (absent special circumstances necessitating further time) from the date of the Court of Appeal determination in Akinsanya.
9. This has been the Respondent’s position in UT proceedings where a similar point arises: Xxxxxxxxxxxxx
10. On that basis, the Respondent invites the Applicant to withdraw this judicial review application. It is hoped that the parties shall agree a consent order to withdraw the JR application. If not, the Respondent invites the UT to refuse permission on the ground that the application is academic and an adequate alternative remedy exists (reconsideration within three months of the Court of Appeal’s decision, or such longer period as special circumstances may necessitate).

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Post by Obie » Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:46 pm

The question is, if she is confident about her position at the Court Of Appeal, why make a consent order?
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Post by LULUBABY » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:01 pm

Obie wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:46 pm
The question is, if she is confident about her position at the Court Of Appeal, why make a consent order?
They can't help themselves, can they?.

Looks like Zambrano carers with LTR are piling on the blocks, layer upon layer, looks like HO is really feeling the strain because they under estimated us but apparently they are beginning to realise it is a Skyscraper.

Maybe HO hasn't heard the saying: If you can't stand the heat get out of the ......

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Post by LULUBABY » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:39 pm

Greatgreat wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:27 pm
LULUBABY wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:17 pm
UPON the Respondent agreeing to withdraw the decisions dated Xxxxxxxx and issuing a fresh decision within 3 months from the date of the conclusion of the Court of Appeal determination in the lead case of Akinsanya (absent special circumstances necessitating further time).

BY CONSENT, it is ordered that:-

1. The Applicant do have leave to withdraw this judicial review application; and
2. The Respondent do pay the reasonable costs of the Applicant, to be assessed if not agreed.
3. The Oral Permission hearing listed for xxxxxx be vacated.



I don't even know what this means.
@lulubaby, to my understanding, they want you to withdraw your JR and wait till their appeal on the Akinsanya case is decided! Basically if that case takes forever, you'll wait till then. And your outcome will be subjected to whatever outcome of that case is. I would continue with my JR if this were me, No deal!
Kindly wait for others to comment too. Best wishes.
Don't mind them, this is delaying tactics. They are bent on dragging this into the Akinsanya case despite the fact that they are 2 different issues at stake. The Tribunal already asked them to defend the Judge Neville's judgement I mentioned. They are there going round and round. They should better look for someone else to play that 'musical chairs' with and not me.

"Kernel of the Applicants renewal grounds", is it Palm Kernel or what?.

It will soon be one year since my EUSS application was refused. At this rate,babies born since my refusal will start nursery before my points will stop overlapping.

God forbid bad thing.

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Post by Obie » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:16 pm

Well I think you should be a bit cautious here, as much as I see a very good prospect here with Akinsanya, in litigation there are very good cases lost, and sometimes weaker cases won.

At present, they are making an undertaking to pay your legal fees, then following the outcome of the COA, they will consider your case within 3 months.

You need to appreciate, that the Upper Tribunal may likely stay the proceedings, and if that happens, your case will not be determined until after Akinsanya.

The Home Office may seek their cost from the day they proposed the consent order, as they could say there is no reason for the case to have proceed, as you ended up with the same remedy.

Even if you succeed in your JR, which has good prospect, the remedy you will receive, will be a quashing order. The Hope Office will not be ordered to issue ILR.

If for some strange reason, Akinsanya is lost, i know it is a small prospect, but in law you always have to prepare for the possibility a case may be lost. Then you will have to pay for Home Office cost, and you would have gained nothing in the process.

So I will advice you think this through very carefully.
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Post by LULUBABY » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:37 pm

Obie wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:16 pm
Well I think you should be a bit cautious here, as much as I see a very good prospect here with Akinsanya, in litigation there are very good cases lost, and sometimes weaker cases won.

At present, they are making an undertaking to pay your legal fees, then following the outcome of the COA, they will consider your case within 3 months.

You need to appreciate, that the Upper Tribunal may likely stay the proceedings, and if that happens, your case will not be determined until after Akinsanya.

The Home Office may seek their cost from the day they proposed the consent order, as they could say there is no reason for the case to have proceed, as you ended up with the same remedy.

Even if you succeed in your JR, which has good prospect, the remedy you will receive, will be a quashing order. The Hope Office will not be ordered to issue ILR.

If for some strange reason, Akinsanya is lost, i know it is a small prospect, but in law you always have to prepare for the possibility a case may be lost. Then you will have to pay for Home Office cost, and you would have gained nothing in the process.

So I will advice you think this through very carefully.

Yes, I also have that feeling that the Tribunal will stay it because they did it before and also they asked HO to notify me and the Tribunal within 24 hrs before the hearing date if they put in an Appeal as per Akinsanya case.

What I don't understand is why the HO wants to delay almost all these cases till after Akinsanya Appeal which we don't even know what date that it will be.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Obie » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:42 pm

Well the Home Office have got this fantasising believe that will win, even though I think they will not.
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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by LULUBABY » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:01 pm

Obie wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:16 pm
Well I think you should be a bit cautious here, as much as I see a very good prospect here with Akinsanya, in litigation there are very good cases lost, and sometimes weaker cases won.

At present, they are making an undertaking to pay your legal fees, then following the outcome of the COA, they will consider your case within 3 months.

You need to appreciate, that the Upper Tribunal may likely stay the proceedings, and if that happens, your case will not be determined until after Akinsanya.

The Home Office may seek their cost from the day they proposed the consent order, as they could say there is no reason for the case to have proceed, as you ended up with the same remedy.

Even if you succeed in your JR, which has good prospect, the remedy you will receive, will be a quashing order. The Hope Office will not be ordered to issue ILR.

If for some strange reason, Akinsanya is lost, i know it is a small prospect, but in law you always have to prepare for the possibility a case may be lost. Then you will have to pay for Home Office cost, and you would have gained nothing in the process.

So I will advice you think this through very carefully.
I just googled quashing order and it says nullifies a decision which has been made by a public body. If the refusal decision is nullified I was thinking HO will have no option that to give me Settled Status since I have been over 5years.
It's just that the link you posted yesterday showing that the Appeal had been filed showed up till July 2023 for Akinsanya case to be heard. I am really worried that due to all these delays in the courts due to Covid, that the Appeal will take ages

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