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Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by snooky » Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:35 pm

Jay444 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:17 pm
Hi
I have apply for EUSS Zambrano on 29th June as akisanya would be heard by COP in December
My flrfp parents route is going to expire in end of October 2021, do I have to make parallel application of flrfp or I can rely on EUSS application until decision has been made?
I am new in immigration board.
Reading other post on Zambrano from last few days.
Need help so worried.
Thank you
Based on Akinsanya and before it, you are entitle for the two leave and they can run concurrently. The question is do you have to renew your Appendix fm ltr?? The bold answer is from me is NOOOOO as from what I know from the courts and the guidance from the HO, having no leave gives you more chance at the courts should there be an appeal.

But the final decision is for you to make as for now if your ltr allows you to get benefits then renew it but if not ??????, think about it

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Jay444 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:11 pm

Thank you snooky for quick reply.
Parallel application would cost me about £8000 as I have 2 dependent.
So it's big decision to make 🤔
I heard that if I don't make Parallel application and if I loose on EUSS Zambrano then I would have to start my 10 years route again which means I would loose 2.5 years which will complete in October.
Is that correct?

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Fustrated2019 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:05 am

Good morning everyone, it’s bad news for me . My appeal has been dismissed 😢. @snooky what do I do now . Please help

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Fustrated2019 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:11 am

It was dismissed because I have leave to remain even though I meet all the criteria of article 16. How can this be right

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by CR001 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:03 am

Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:11 am
It was dismissed because I have leave to remain even though I meet all the criteria of article 16. How can this be right
I have removed your documents you uploaded as you have not blacked out all your or your childs or others names in the documents.
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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Fustrated2019 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:04 am

CR001 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:03 am
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:11 am
It was dismissed because I have leave to remain even though I meet all the criteria of article 16. How can this be right
I have removed your documents you uploaded as you have not blacked out all your or your childs or others names in the documents.
thank you

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Obie » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:14 am

You got to it before me Char, was seeking to see if I can redact some areas and resend it.

From looking at the decision, it appears the consistent e misdirected himself. Regulations 16(6) has no application to your case. It applies to the non EEA child of the primary carer of a Zambrano child.

His assessment and conclusion does not appear to be consistent with the law.
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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Fustrated2019 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:16 am

Obie wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:14 am
You got to it before me Char, was seeking to see if I can redact some areas and resend it.

From looking at the decision, it appears the consistent e misdirected himself. Regulations 16(6) has no application to your case. It applies to the non EEA child of the primary carer of a Zambrano child.

His assessment and conclusion does not appear to be consistent with the law.
Thank you @obie . I have been given 14days to appeal, how do I do that please?

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Obie » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:20 am

You will need to use IAFT4 and seek permission to appeal. They really should grant permission and the decision should be set aside and remade, allowing your appeal.

It seem clear to me, that the provision of the regulations relied upon by the judge, is of no application to your case.

The FTT may even use their review power to set it as it aside.
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Post by Fustrated2019 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:28 am

Thank you very much . I will get on it .

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Fustrated2019 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:24 am

Obie wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:20 am
You will need to use IAFT4 and seek permission to appeal. They really should grant permission and the decision should be set aside and remade, allowing your appeal.

It seem clear to me, that the provision of the regulations relied upon by the judge, is of no application to your case.

The FTT may even use their review power to set it as it aside.
Please do you have a sample I can use ? Thank you

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by snooky » Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:28 pm

Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:05 am
Good morning everyone, it’s bad news for me . My appeal has been dismissed 😢. @snooky what do I do now . Please help
Blacken all names and post the refusal letter again so that we can help you please.

Some judges are backwards and do not even follow the law. The judge is literally wrong as having ltr does not preclude you.

So you appeal should be done on the judge has erred and quote Akinsanya

Hmm sorry

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Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:28 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:05 am
Good morning everyone, it’s bad news for me . My appeal has been dismissed 😢. @snooky what do I do now . Please help
Blacken all names and post the refusal letter again so that we can help you please.

Some judges are backwards and do not even follow the law. The judge is literally wrong as having ltr does not preclude you.

So you appeal should be done on the judge has erred and quote Akinsanya

Hmm sorry
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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Fustrated2019 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:55 pm

Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:54 pm
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snooky wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:28 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:05 am
Good morning everyone, it’s bad news for me . My appeal has been dismissed 😢. @snooky what do I do now . Please help
Blacken all names and post the refusal letter again so that we can help you please.

Some judges are backwards and do not even follow the law. The judge is literally wrong as having ltr does not preclude you.

So you appeal should be done on the judge has erred and quote Akinsanya

Hmm sorry
Thank you snooky. I have hopefully removed all the identifying details.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by shay007 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:43 pm

snooky wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:37 pm
shay007 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:20 pm
Hello everyone, is it possible to fill an online FLR FP form but shows FLR M as the visa type at the end of the form as you are about to pay. Is it my mistake by chowing the wrong form or because I’m married? Can you change it or do I have to fill another form? Thanks for your reply
Technical you have filled a wrong form. You beans and eat rice.

Delete the application and go back and fill a new a flr fp and select parent of a child
Thanks for your reply, do you delete by filling another application with the same email address? I filled another FLR FP online form but it showed FLR M again when I was on the IHS payment page. Is it because I’m applying on the basis on the relationship with my partner? Because I’m confused at this point.

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by snooky » Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:45 am

shay007 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:43 pm
snooky wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:37 pm
shay007 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:20 pm
Hello everyone, is it possible to fill an online FLR FP form but shows FLR M as the visa type at the end of the form as you are about to pay. Is it my mistake by chowing the wrong form or because I’m married? Can you change it or do I have to fill another form? Thanks for your reply
Technical you have filled a wrong form. You beans and eat rice.

Delete the application and go back and fill a new a flr fp and select parent of a child
Thanks for your reply, do you delete by filling another application with the same email address? I filled another FLR FP online form but it showed FLR M again when I was on the IHS payment page. Is it because I’m applying on the basis on the relationship with my partner? Because I’m confused at this point.
Hi

This is the correct link

https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... 1622117533

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by snooky » Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:38 am

Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:55 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:54 pm
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snooky wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:28 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:05 am
Good morning everyone, it’s bad news for me . My appeal has been dismissed 😢. @snooky what do I do now . Please help
Blacken all names and post the refusal letter again so that we can help you please.

Some judges are backwards and do not even follow the law. The judge is literally wrong as having ltr does not preclude you.

So you appeal should be done on the judge has erred and quote Akinsanya

Hmm sorry
Thank you snooky. I have hopefully removed all the identifying details.

Hi

This is the unsupported HO regulation the judge used for your case based on Patel vs SSHD 2017.

(b)the person does not have leave to enter, or remain in, the United Kingdom under the 1971 Act (but see paragraph (7A)).

This Reg 6B itself doesn't exclude you should you read it even literally. In Akinsanya, the Judge even was angry that if HO wanted to exclude people with LTR under PSIC (A person subject to immigration control as defined by section 115 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999) they should have done that long ago and even was asking if the HO was thinking he was regoing to make a new law for them.

The Ftt judge erred materially in law and failed to consider Akinsanya and later the consent order HO made in June.

The judge also failed to invoke Alvin vs SSHD which category says guidance which precludes are technically not laws.

Use online IAF T-4 as said already on the platform

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by Fustrated2019 » Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:50 am

snooky wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:38 am
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:55 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:54 pm
D9028D03-2426-4F95-BB1C-9BB590ACD719.jpeg
snooky wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:28 pm
Fustrated2019 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:05 am
Good morning everyone, it’s bad news for me . My appeal has been dismissed 😢. @snooky what do I do now . Please help
Blacken all names and post the refusal letter again so that we can help you please.

Some judges are backwards and do not even follow the law. The judge is literally wrong as having ltr does not preclude you.

So you appeal should be done on the judge has erred and quote Akinsanya

Hmm sorry
Thank you snooky. I have hopefully removed all the identifying details.

Hi

This is the unsupported HO regulation the judge used for your case based on Patel vs SSHD 2017.

(b)the person does not have leave to enter, or remain in, the United Kingdom under the 1971 Act (but see paragraph (7A)).

This Reg 6B itself doesn't exclude you should you read it even literally. In Akinsanya, the Judge even was angry that if HO wanted to exclude people with LTR under PSIC (A person subject to immigration control as defined by section 115 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999) they should have done that long ago and even was asking if the HO was thinking he was regoing to make a new law for them.

The Ftt judge erred materially in law and failed to consider Akinsanya and later the consent order HO made in June.

The judge also failed to invoke Alvin vs SSHD which category says guidance which precludes are technically not laws.

Use online IAF T-4 as said already on the platform
Thank you so much snooky. I will send it off today

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Post by Obie » Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:09 am

This application should be straightforward.

The FTT erred in considering Regulation 16(6) as applicable to the appeal,as that provision relates to the dependent of the primary carer, and has no relevance to the primary carer themselves.

The regulations only precludes primary carer if they are exempt person. An exempt person for the purpose of regulation 16(7), does not appear to include a person in your position..
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Post by Fustrated2019 » Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:01 pm

Obie wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:09 am
This application should be straightforward.

The FTT erred in considering Regulation 16(6) as applicable to the appeal,as that provision relates to the dependent of the primary carer, and has no relevance to the primary carer themselves.

The regulations only precludes primary carer if they are exempt person. An exempt person for the purpose of regulation 16(7), does not appear to include a person in your position..
Thank you very much. I have sent it off now

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Post by snooky » Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:53 pm

Fustrated2019 wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:01 pm
Obie wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:09 am
This application should be straightforward.

The FTT erred in considering Regulation 16(6) as applicable to the appeal,as that provision relates to the dependent of the primary carer, and has no relevance to the primary carer themselves.

The regulations only precludes primary carer if they are exempt person. An exempt person for the purpose of regulation 16(7), does not appear to include a person in your position..
Thank you very much. I have sent it off now

Hi

Make sure to also let them know that in accordance of Akinsanya ruling and the consent order, HO agreed with the courts that, THE LTR AND EUSS DR DON'T VARY EACH OTHER

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Post by Obie » Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:07 pm

I am of the view that Akinsanya does not assist much in a case involving an application for DRC under the EEA Regulation 2016.

Akinsanya seem to affect EU settlement scheme applications, where the Home Office implemented a provision precluding people with leave to remain from qualifying.

In Akinsanya, it was accepted that the Regulations does not preclude people with leave to remain, only those with ILR are precluded.

The Home Office was therefore seeking the Court to Change the Regulations, which the court objected to.

So the position in the Regulation has always been, that if you have leave to remain you can apply for Zambrano, only ILR prevents you from doing so.

However, for children of Primary carer, it will appear they are prevented from qualifying if they have leave to remain. The primary carer themselves are not prevented, but the children or other dependants of the primary carers are. That seems a bit puzzling, but in an applicable case, that will have to be dealt with by the courts one day.

In this individual's case, it appears the judge got herself into a module, she thought having met the requirements of regulation 16(5), a person has to also meet subparagraph 6, but that is wrong and not the law.

In light of Akinsanya situation, and that case being the subject of a challenge, it is best not to emphasise it too much, as it may lead to a delay, as judge may decide to place permission to appeal on hold pending its conclusion.

So don't place too much reliance on it. Better to argue, that the judge failed to appreciate that the provision of regulation 16(6) is inapplicable to the case. A judge will be more comfortable with that, than relying on a case which is the subject of an appeal.

I fully accept that Akinsanya is good law, and is likely to be upheld, but no one wants to wait until that case is upheld, if their matter can be resolved quicker.
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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by shay007 » Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:13 pm

snooky wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:45 am
shay007 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:43 pm
snooky wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:37 pm
shay007 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:20 pm
Hello everyone, is it possible to fill an online FLR FP form but shows FLR M as the visa type at the end of the form as you are about to pay. Is it my mistake by chowing the wrong form or because I’m married? Can you change it or do I have to fill another form? Thanks for your reply
Technical you have filled a wrong form. You beans and eat rice.

Delete the application and go back and fill a new a flr fp and select parent of a child
Thanks for your reply, do you delete by filling another application with the same email address? I filled another FLR FP online form but it showed FLR M again when I was on the IHS payment page. Is it because I’m applying on the basis on the relationship with my partner? Because I’m confused at this point.
Hi

This is the correct link

https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... 1622117533
I think it’s a new thing when you pick the option of been married. I used that same link you posted like I already did before but it still showed FLR M as the visa type I’m applying for. I will add a cover letter to let them know what I am really applying for just to let them know.

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Post by snooky » Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:31 pm

shay007 wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:13 pm
snooky wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:45 am
shay007 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:43 pm
snooky wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:37 pm
shay007 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:20 pm
Hello everyone, is it possible to fill an online FLR FP form but shows FLR M as the visa type at the end of the form as you are about to pay. Is it my mistake by chowing the wrong form or because I’m married? Can you change it or do I have to fill another form? Thanks for your reply
Technical you have filled a wrong form. You beans and eat rice.

Delete the application and go back and fill a new a flr fp and select parent of a child
Thanks for your reply, do you delete by filling another application with the same email address? I filled another FLR FP online form but it showed FLR M again when I was on the IHS payment page. Is it because I’m applying on the basis on the relationship with my partner? Because I’m confused at this point.
Hi

This is the correct link

https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... 1622117533
I think it’s a new thing when you pick the option of been married. I used that same link you posted like I already did before but it still showed FLR M as the visa type I’m applying for. I will add a cover letter to let them know what I am really applying for just to let them know.

I don't think so as they are a different route.

You I think is selecting wrong answers to the questions that are being asked as a parent of a British child.

Go over your answers especially from the beginning and choose the correct category

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Re: Zambrano Settled Status EU settlement scheme Paper Application Form - NEW

Post by shay007 » Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:40 am

snooky wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:31 pm
shay007 wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:13 pm
snooky wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:45 am
shay007 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:43 pm
snooky wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:37 pm
shay007 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:20 pm
Hello everyone, is it possible to fill an online FLR FP form but shows FLR M as the visa type at the end of the form as you are about to pay. Is it my mistake by chowing the wrong form or because I’m married? Can you change it or do I have to fill another form? Thanks for your reply
Technical you have filled a wrong form. You beans and eat rice.

Delete the application and go back and fill a new a flr fp and select parent of a child
Thanks for your reply, do you delete by filling another application with the same email address? I filled another FLR FP online form but it showed FLR M again when I was on the IHS payment page. Is it because I’m applying on the basis on the relationship with my partner? Because I’m confused at this point.
Hi

This is the correct link

https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... 1622117533
I think it’s a new thing when you pick the option of been married. I used that same link you posted like I already did before but it still showed FLR M as the visa type I’m applying for. I will add a cover letter to let them know what I am really applying for just to let them know.

I don't think so as they are a different route.

You I think is selecting wrong answers to the questions that are being asked as a parent of a British child.

Go over your answers especially from the beginning and choose the correct category
Thank you for your reply once again snooky

I have gone over every answered question again and I answered it correctly. I spoke to a lawyer and he’s also confused as to why it’s showing that after choosing the right online form. I don’t think there is any option you can choose on a FLR FP form that will change to FLR M.

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