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I don't think this is true, in my professional circles especially, being able to work in Germany/Belgium/Netherlands without fuss is a fantastic boon, and these guys are earning up to a grand a day, the vast majority of this money coming into the UK.meats wrote:Yes i do want the UK out of the EU. Just like the majority of Brits do.
EFTA is the way to go, just like Norway and Switzerland. That way we can control our borders without interference from Europe, we keep the trading bloc which is all that we really need from the EU, we won't have the French trying to ruin the City as they've said they've planned to do since a Frenchman was appointed European Finance Minister and we can make our own laws without interference from Brussels. Also none of these stupid EEA visas, the cheaper way for people to enter Britain having been refused for British visas in the past.Wanderer wrote:I don't think this is true, in my professional circles especially, being able to work in Germany/Belgium/Netherlands without fuss is a fantastic boon, and these guys are earning up to a grand a day, the vast majority of this money coming into the UK.meats wrote:Yes i do want the UK out of the EU. Just like the majority of Brits do.
The last one I was in Germany there was one German on the team, everyone else British.
I was dead against the EU in 73 when we joined under the Tories, but now I would hate to go back to isolationism, think Albania...
I;ve never been either, it's only a centimetre from my partners city on the map but thats about 2000 miles!Richard66 wrote:I used to have an open invitation to visit someone in Yekateringburg, but have never been there.
Where my wife come from its very pleasant. The people are polite, drivers are careful and the public services efficient. We managed to get our marriage registered in 5 minutes!
I find your level of ignorance quite astounding. The EU does not encourage abuse neither does it facilitate it.meats wrote:
Unfortunately there are left wing hippies who disagree with you. People like Obie for example think that the whole world is entitled to live in the UK and would be quite happy to see it become a terrorist hotspot. Quite frankly the sooner the UK is out of the EU the better and also gets rid of the even more pointless human rights act which only protects the criminals and screws over the innocent.
Memberstate are free to adopt measures necessary to combat any form of abuse, and their hands are not tied in that regards.
Article 35
Abuse of rights
Member States may adopt the necessary measures
to refuse, terminate or withdraw any right
conferred by this Directive in the case of abuse of
rights or fraud, such as marriages of convenience.
Any such measure shall be proportionate and
subject to the procedural safeguards provided for
in Articles 30 and 31.
Couple of points: You are talking about fraudulent marriages. Arranged marriages are a very different thing and are not fraudulent, any more than romantic love marriages are fraudulent.meats wrote:There's plenty of money being given for arranged marriages. A lot of this goes to Eastern Europeans by people from the Indian sub-continent on student visas in the UK. A few examples of this have been on the UK Border Force TV show where the Eastern Europeans have said that they'd been paid to marry them. The Eastern European block of countries are still fairly dearly beloved in their ways, the Poles that i know would never be with a non-white person regardless of nationality. This might change now that they can't protect their borders effectively but that won't change for at least a generation. That's not to say that they all have that mindset but the majority do.
Obie i appreciate that your sole intention in life is to ruin the UK so i expect you to have wet dreams about the EU most nights. I'm sure that you do too. I'm glad that you agree that the UK shouldn't be in the EU.Obie wrote:I find your level of ignorance quite astounding. The EU does not encourage abuse neither does it facilitate it.meats wrote:
Unfortunately there are left wing hippies who disagree with you. People like Obie for example think that the whole world is entitled to live in the UK and would be quite happy to see it become a terrorist hotspot. Quite frankly the sooner the UK is out of the EU the better and also gets rid of the even more pointless human rights act which only protects the criminals and screws over the innocent.
Article 35 of Directive 2004/38 EC, if you are aware of it, or have cared to spend time reading it, says.
Memberstate are free to adopt measures necessary to combat any form of abuse, and their hands are not tied in that regards.
Article 35
Abuse of rights
Member States may adopt the necessary measures
to refuse, terminate or withdraw any right
conferred by this Directive in the case of abuse of
rights or fraud, such as marriages of convenience.
Any such measure shall be proportionate and
subject to the procedural safeguards provided for
in Articles 30 and 31.
For you to come to the forum and utter factually inaccurate gabbage, shows what an out of touch right wing fascist you are.
In regards to the body scan, i think it is a gross violation of human dignity, rights and privacy, especially when it is used on little children. I would be very uncomfortable for people to see naked images of my children. With the number of gender predators out there, i will be deeply concerned.
Not to mention the inconvenience, disproportionate delays it will cause to passengers.
However, if it will enhance security as they have promised, then i am prepared to study it. However i don't think measures like this will be sustainable for the long haul.
Meat could you kindly explain to me what your purpose on the forum is.
I find it hard to grasp it.
I believe like yourself that UK should be expelled form the EU, however for a different reason from that of yours.
I am of the believe that their presence is not conducive to the good of the EU, they make a complete mockery of the EU regulations and directives.
Their presence there is like a marriage of convenience, which as i have stated in the past, is a sham in its entirety.
Who calls it that, meats, the BNP? Le Pen?EUSSR