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Non-Eu/EU Family Relocating to Germany as Jobseekers

Post by MuratcanVassel » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:27 am

Greetings to all;

We, as a Turkish(me)-Greek couple and dual citizen child, are planning to relocate to Germany in the following months. Even I did pretty good research about a bunch of stuff about what we should do before and after we move, I am still unclear about some very important stuff. I did find a topic in this forum with valuable information in it, but since it does not cover the same situation as our family, I want to take my chance to open another topic and hope you guys enlighten me. Link here

Since my wife could not find any suitable offer for her and my applications are generally denied because I do not have a work permit in the EU before we got there, we want to move as Jobseekers. Problems and questions start here.

- Since I already have a Schengen Visa for being a family member of an EU citizen and renewing it every 2 years, Can I move to Germany with it and change it to another type of Visa or temporary residence permit? Will officials accept this kind of change or do I have to get a family reunification Visa from Turkey of Greece before we come?

Let's say I came with the Schengen Visa that I have already;

-Because we will stay in an AirBNB before we could find a flat to settle, how will the registration application to the city for residency work? I've heard that you must get a "Wohnungsgeberbestätigung" documents from the homeowner or landlord because so many AirBNB'ers are not the original owner of the flat, they simply cannot give that document to us. So without it, how can we register ourselves to the city while we're staying in an AirBNB. Should we find an AirBNB that we can get that document from the owner him/herself?

-Because we want to start searching for work as soon as possible, my wife will register herself in Jobcentre, but how will it work in my case? Will I have the chance to get my work permit/visa/etc right after (I mean in couple days/weeks) we relocate? Should I present documents, bank statements, etc about the money that we brought with ourselves? If we do, what will be the amount, on average of course?

-Let's say we will get our permits/visas/cards whatever they are and started our search for work. If I will be able to find a job before my EU citizen wife, will it be enough for our residency or she have to find a job too? I know it sounds odd, but because we'll move to Germany me as her dependent, I want to know that this situation continues or just a new-comers procedure. Does she have to work even I will get enough salary for whole family?

On the forum that I've mentioned top, dear frum member ALKB stated that;

She can enter Germany with a visa on arrival and apply in-country for a residence card as a family member of an EEA national.

You need to be married.

You need to register your residence with the municipality.

In the first 90 days after your arrival, health insurance, work contract, salary slips and a bank statement showing salary going in are not mandatory when applying for the residence card but to be very honest, to have as many of those things as possible just makes things easier and go smoother.


Because my wife and I will not have a salary, work contract and etc, will the things go smooth or we will encounter problems regarding our jobseeker situation?

Last but not least, at the official website of the EU, it is stated that,

Staying abroad for up to 6 months
Equal treatment
During their stay in your new country, your spouse, (grand)children and (grand)parents should be treated as nationals of the country, notably as regards access to employment, pay, enrolment in schools, etc.


So I am understanding that I, as a member of EU family, can also have the right to search for a job during the stay, I will be more than happy if I read the word "YES" to this question. Hope I will.

Thanks for the answers and for your time in advance.

Best regards, Muratcan

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Re: Non-Eu/EU Family Relocating to Germany as Jobseekers

Post by ALKB » Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:16 pm

MuratcanVassel wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:27 am
Greetings to all;

We, as a Turkish(me)-Greek couple and dual citizen child, are planning to relocate to Germany in the following months. Even I did pretty good research about a bunch of stuff about what we should do before and after we move, I am still unclear about some very important stuff. I did find a topic in this forum with valuable information in it, but since it does not cover the same situation as our family, I want to take my chance to open another topic and hope you guys enlighten me. Link here

Since my wife could not find any suitable offer for her and my applications are generally denied because I do not have a work permit in the EU before we got there, we want to move as Jobseekers. Problems and questions start here.

- Since I already have a Schengen Visa for being a family member of an EU citizen and renewing it every 2 years, Can I move to Germany with it and change it to another type of Visa or temporary residence permit? Will officials accept this kind of change or do I have to get a family reunification Visa from Turkey of Greece before we come?
You can travel to Germany and apply for a residence card for family members of EU nationals (Aufenthaltskarte) directly.

Is your child of school age?

MuratcanVassel wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:27 am

Let's say I came with the Schengen Visa that I have already;

-Because we will stay in an AirBNB before we could find a flat to settle, how will the registration application to the city for residency work? I've heard that you must get a "Wohnungsgeberbestätigung" documents from the homeowner or landlord because so many AirBNB'ers are not the original owner of the flat, they simply cannot give that document to us. So without it, how can we register ourselves to the city while we're staying in an AirBNB. Should we find an AirBNB that we can get that document from the owner him/herself?
You will need to find accommodation that offers registration. If an AirBnBer is subletting their flat illegally, then it's not a good idea to stay there for longer. If subletting via AirBnB has been approved by the owner of the property, then there should be no problem getting papers from them.

You really need to register your residence within 90 days of arrival. Until then, you'll basically be tourists.
MuratcanVassel wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:27 am
-Because we want to start searching for work as soon as possible, my wife will register herself in Jobcentre, but how will it work in my case? Will I have the chance to get my work permit/visa/etc right after (I mean in couple days/weeks) we relocate? Should I present documents, bank statements, etc about the money that we brought with ourselves? If we do, what will be the amount, on average of course?
The authorities can take up to 6 months to issue an Aufenthaltskarte. Often it is decided on the spot, though. Within 90 days, you don't need to present financial or work documents. If the authorities feel you might not actually be exercising treaty rights, they can and have been known to hold your application until the 90 day mark has passed and then ask for additional documents (work, finances, health insurance, etc.)
MuratcanVassel wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:27 am
-Let's say we will get our permits/visas/cards whatever they are and started our search for work. If I will be able to find a job before my EU citizen wife, will it be enough for our residency or she have to find a job too? I know it sounds odd, but because we'll move to Germany me as her dependent, I want to know that this situation continues or just a new-comers procedure. Does she have to work even I will get enough salary for whole family?

On the forum that I've mentioned top, dear frum member ALKB stated that;

She can enter Germany with a visa on arrival and apply in-country for a residence card as a family member of an EEA national.

You need to be married.

You need to register your residence with the municipality.

In the first 90 days after your arrival, health insurance, work contract, salary slips and a bank statement showing salary going in are not mandatory when applying for the residence card but to be very honest, to have as many of those things as possible just makes things easier and go smoother.


Because my wife and I will not have a salary, work contract and etc, will the things go smooth or we will encounter problems regarding our jobseeker situation?
She can use your income in Germany to declare herself exercising treaty rights as self-sufficient (as long as you earn enough for that) but personally, I'd really try to get at least a part time job that pays a bit more than 450 €/month at the very least. It will make things so much easier.

Nobody can predict how smoothly things will go. Will you find accommodation that offers registration? Are you moving to a big city with lots of experience with EU nationals or a smaller town where applications for residence cards are few and far between?

Keep in mind, that as soon as you register, domestic laws that apply to all residents have to be followed: German health insurance (can be expensive if you don't have a job in Germany), taxes, schooling...

MuratcanVassel wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:27 am
Last but not least, at the official website of the EU, it is stated that,

Staying abroad for up to 6 months
Equal treatment
During their stay in your new country, your spouse, (grand)children and (grand)parents should be treated as nationals of the country, notably as regards access to employment, pay, enrolment in schools, etc.


So I am understanding that I, as a member of EU family, can also have the right to search for a job during the stay, I will be more than happy if I read the word "YES" to this question. Hope I will.

Thanks for the answers and for your time in advance.

Best regards, Muratcan
Yes, you can search for a job and you have the right to work as long as your spouse is exercising treaty rights in Germany. Whether an employer is willing to hire you without documented proof of your right to work (Aufenthaltskarte) is another story.
I am not a regulated immigration advisor. I am offering an opinion and not advice.

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Re: Non-Eu/EU Family Relocating to Germany as Jobseekers

Post by MuratcanVassel » Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:22 am

Dear ALKB, thank you for your response.

After posting the message here, I've continued to my researches and finally after several months of search, I've found the exact information(well at least most of them) from an official website, which is https://www.eu-gleichbehandlungsstelle.de/.

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Re: Non-Eu/EU Family Relocating to Germany as Jobseekers

Post by MuratcanVassel » Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:53 am

In the FAQ section of the Residence part( I cannot give link due to spam protect system), after we've done the Anmeldung at Bürgeramt and my wife decleared herself as a Job-Seeker in Arbeitsamt, we will go to Auslanderbehörde for my residence permit and they'll give me a document/certificate as a proof of my application and relationship with the EU citizen so I could start my search for work.

Actually, I'm still confused about the "first day of their residence" part of the sentence. Does it mean "First day in Germany" or " First day after taking the residence card/permit"? Because they gave an example of an EU citizens' working conditions by that sentence and EU citizens does not require a permit to work in EU, I think they've meant "the First day in Germany" by that.

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Re: Non-Eu/EU Family Relocating to Germany as Jobseekers

Post by ALKB » Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:47 am

MuratcanVassel wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:53 am
In the FAQ section of the Residence part( I cannot give link due to spam protect system), after we've done the Anmeldung at Bürgeramt and my wife decleared herself as a Job-Seeker in Arbeitsamt, we will go to Auslanderbehörde for my residence permit and they'll give me a document/certificate as a proof of my application and relationship with the EU citizen so I could start my search for work.

Actually, I'm still confused about the "first day of their residence" part of the sentence. Does it mean "First day in Germany" or " First day after taking the residence card/permit"? Because they gave an example of an EU citizens' working conditions by that sentence and EU citizens does not require a permit to work in EU, I think they've meant "the First day in Germany" by that.
The first day of residence starts with registration (or with the date you state as taking up residence = moving in date as confirmed by your landlord, within 7 days before registering) at the Bürgeramt or Rathaus or whichever authority is tasked with this service in the specific municipality. Without registration, you are a visitor and yes, of course you can search for work as a visitor but getting a tax number is through registration and health insurance, applying for a place at day care/nursery or enrolling in a school is only possible with a registered address.
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