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Surinder Singh via Germany

Post by mak35 » Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:11 pm

Hamza2013 wrote:Yes, they applied through gerrys, no visa fee paid as they are my dependent,
Hi guys, I need some urgent help here please. I know I have spoken to both Hamza and Nothjan before and again I need your expert opinion.

To cut the long story short, I am planning to exercise my treaty rights in Germany to bring my parents in UK. My inspiration is candy 2012. Like him my parents have received the Schengen Visa from the German Embassy. Now the problem:

The visa states "Tourist Visa" with no right to work and has been granted for 85 days. My question is that once in Germany would i be able to apply for a residence permit for my parents? I will be able to show that I have enough funds to sustain them even if I can't find a job in that period.

Do you know any resources or threads that can confirm this please? I need this information urgently as we are planning to travel soon

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Post by noajthan » Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:47 pm

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Post by ALKB » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:44 pm

That's a really good summary, although there are some inaccuracies.

Filling in a hotel form is by no means the same thing as registering one's residence with the authorities. It always has to be done in person.

Oh and you only have to state your religion if you are either Roman Catholic or Lutheran, any other faith or none is of no interest to the German tax office.

And the bit about 20 minutes being the longest reported wait at the Ausländerbehörde... Probably outdated and not a very thorough survey of all the alien departments in Germany. Now with the migrant crisis, they are all working with a skeleton staff and especially in big cities I have heard that applications are often simply not accepted on the same day but that the next available appointment is given, which can be several weeks or even months in the future.

Also, attitudes regarding residence cards seem to have changed in the last two years and a same day decision is only likely with good evidence of exercising treaty rights = working, not as a jobseeker. In case of applications within 90 days of arrival without evidence of working, health insurance, etc. the authorities now seem to tend to simply keep the application until 90 days have passed and then contact the applicant with a request for proof that the EU national is exercising treaty rights.

It is also interesting that the document claims that the Meldeamt is always in the same building as the Ausländeramt. This may be the case, especially in smaller towns, where all local authorities tend to be under one roof at the town hall but Berlin for instance has one huge alien department in the north of the city while there are numerous registration offices throughout the city with several in each municipality.

What else... no need to 'register' with a doctor or dentist. Simply find one, make an appointment and go. You are not obliged to go to the same one next time if you don't like the practice. Also, specialists like dermatologists, ophthalmologists, pediatricians, gynecologists, etc. have their own practices and there you can also simply make appointments and go, no need to be referred to a hospital and wait for an appointment letter for months on end. All of this of course, if you are working in Germany and have German health insurance.

This reminds me of something else.

As you are looking to bring your parents, they will not be eligible for free family health insurance the same way a spouse and children would be and will need their own. This could be very pricey.

Also, the part about being fine in daily life without German language skills, is not true as such. Yes, there are places that will be fine but this varies a lot - former East or West Germany? City or smaller town? Etc., etc.
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Re: Surinder Singh via Germany

Post by Casa » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:55 pm

+1 @ALKB Members considering the SS route via Germany would be wise to take note of this.
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Post by mak35 » Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:31 pm

Guys, many thanks for your quick responses.

the guide does seem to suggest entry into Germany via Schengen Visa and then quickly goes on to apply for residence permit.
But my question remains unanswered i.e. Are we able to apply for Residence permit if the Schengen Visa type issued is 'Tourist Visa' and not 'Family Visit Visa' which I was hoping my parents would get? I'm not sure there might only be 'Tourist Visa' in Schengen category of short term visit. I know other types being business etc too.

Also to be eligible to apply for residence permit do I need to have a job? I thought if one is self sufficient and can show enough funds to sustain the family they should be issued with a RP.

I have a good IT job in UK but willing to give it up for the parents and look for opportunities in Germany. In case I'm not able to find work before their 85 days visa expires then are you saying we have slim chance of getting RP.

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Re: Surinder Singh via Germany

Post by Casa » Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:47 pm

Have you read ALKB's post and the reference to the likelihood of a 90 day wait before a RC is issued if you apply without proof of employment?
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Re: Surinder Singh via Germany

Post by mak35 » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:27 pm

Hi Casa, yes I read the response but does it actually mean?
If they keep the RC application for 90 days and within that time the Schengen visa expires does that make my parents overstayed ?
Theoretically the condition for living in host state is 'work, self employed, student or self sufficient' or have I got it totally wrong?

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Post by Casa » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:39 pm

For the purpose of using the Surinder Singh route (which I assume you intend to do), the UK will only recognise employed or self-employed work in the host country.
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Post by ALKB » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:51 pm

mak35 wrote:Hi Casa, yes I read the response but does it actually mean?
If they keep the RC application for 90 days and within that time the Schengen visa expires does that make my parents overstayed ?
Theoretically the condition for living in host state is 'work, self employed, student or self sufficient' or have I got it totally wrong?
At the application appointment, they will receive a document stating that they have an ongoing application for residence card, this will serve as their proof of permission to stay until the application has been decided.

To be issued a residence card, you can be employed, self-employed, a full time student or self sufficient. Since there are no specific rules about the amount of money required for self-sufficiency, I have heard that some alien departments require savings of about the level of German social security x 5 years, as the residence card is valid for 5 years.

In order to return to the UK under Surinder Singh, you need to be economically active = employed or self-employed.
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Re: Surinder Singh via Germany

Post by ALKB » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:58 pm

mak35 wrote: But my question remains unanswered i.e. Are we able to apply for Residence permit if the Schengen Visa type issued is 'Tourist Visa' and not 'Family Visit Visa' which I was hoping my parents would get? I'm not sure there might only be 'Tourist Visa' in Schengen category of short term visit. I know other types being business etc too.
Has the visa application been processed under EU rules? (free of charge, issued within 15 days, etc?)

They might have received a Tourist visa as they have no family to visit in Germany/Schengen, yet? You are still in the UK and until you find a job or register your residence you are a tourist, too.

Just guessing.

In any case, they should be fine with a short term Schengen visa - my husband had a Schengen tourist visa when we got married in Denmark and then directly applied for a German spouse visa from within Germany.
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Re: Surinder Singh via Germany

Post by mak35 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:28 am

Spot on ALKB,

yes my parents were given visa free of charge and arrived within 15 days.
Do you know how much is the German social security x 5 year would come upto?

Whilst researching I came across this on GOV UK website. Entering UK based on Article 10 residence card. Seems very interesting that if we are able to get the Residence Card then I can bring family with me to UK without EEA Family Permit. So where does Surinder Singh fit in with Article 10? seems 2 different things to me where SS route is more difficult with work requirements etc. but according to Article 10 you need only the residence card to be able to enter (and the RC might have been obtained based on self sufficiency) .. any thougths?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... dence-card

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Post by noajthan » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:27 am

mak35 wrote:Whilst researching I came across this on GOV UK website. Entering UK based on Article 10 residence card. Seems very interesting that if we are able to get the Residence Card then I can bring family with me to UK without EEA Family Permit. So where does Surinder Singh fit in with Article 10? seems 2 different things to me where SS route is more difficult with work requirements etc. but according to Article 10 you need only the residence card to be able to enter (and the RC might have been obtained based on self sufficiency) .. any thougths?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... dence-card
More on this matter here:
https://blogs.kent.ac.uk/eu-rights-clin ... pril-2015/

An Article 10 card simply facilitates entry into UK.

Note the cautions in the article regarding the fit with Surinder Singh and Regulation 9.

A British citizen would still have to execute a Surinder Singh journey in order to be recognised as an EEA national and sponsor their family members once back in the UK.
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Post by ALKB » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:23 am

mak35 wrote: Do you know how much is the German social security x 5 year would come upto?
The minimum subsistence level for a couple was set at €16944/year in 2015. This is the amount of yearly income that is tax free and comes to roughly what a couple would receive in benefits.

BUT! Social security benefit payments vary from region to region as local cost of living (rent, etc.) is taken into account. A couple in Munich will get more than a couple in a small village in the middle of nowhere where rent is cheap as chips. Also, this is for a couple that lives independently in their own accommodation. If they are adult members of somebody else's (your) household, social security payments would be lower as their portion of rent, utilities, etc. would be lower than when living on their own.

I do not know how the alien authorities calculate self-sufficiency in case of residence card or even if all alien departments across Germany follow the same process in this regard. I could imagine that they ask for enough money for the entire household (You, your parents, anybody else? Spouse? Children?) since you can't subsist on air and need to be self-sufficient yourself to stay in Germany without working.

How are you going to address the health insurance situation without a job?

Do you speak any German at all?
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Post by ALKB » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:34 am

mak35 wrote:
Whilst researching I came across this on GOV UK website. Entering UK based on Article 10 residence card. Seems very interesting that if we are able to get the Residence Card then I can bring family with me to UK without EEA Family Permit. So where does Surinder Singh fit in with Article 10? seems 2 different things to me where SS route is more difficult with work requirements etc. but according to Article 10 you need only the residence card to be able to enter (and the RC might have been obtained based on self sufficiency) .. any thougths?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... dence-card
They could most probably enter with their German RC without much fuss.

When applying for their UK RC under Surinder Singh, you can be sure that HO is going to ask for detailed proof of your economic activity in Germany and that it was 'genuine and effective'.
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Post by Casa » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:42 pm

ALKB wrote:
mak35 wrote:
Whilst researching I came across this on GOV UK website. Entering UK based on Article 10 residence card. Seems very interesting that if we are able to get the Residence Card then I can bring family with me to UK without EEA Family Permit. So where does Surinder Singh fit in with Article 10? seems 2 different things to me where SS route is more difficult with work requirements etc. but according to Article 10 you need only the residence card to be able to enter (and the RC might have been obtained based on self sufficiency) .. any thougths?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... dence-card
They could most probably enter with their German RC without much fuss.

When applying for their UK RC under Surinder Singh, you can be sure that HO is going to ask for detailed proof of your economic activity in Germany and that it was 'genuine and effective'.
...and any period of self-sufficiency won't qualify under Surinder Singh.
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Re: Surinder Singh via Germany

Post by mak35 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:24 pm

All points duly noted and make perfect sense. thanks for your crucial feedback.

@ALKB
How are you going to address the health insurance situation without a job?
Do you speak any German at all?
@ALKB - I may sound very foolish but I do not speak a word of German and was really hoping that I could land a job in IT/Project management in a company where dual language is accepted.This is where my expertise are. Is it too difficult to make it in the IT job market there?

So whilst I look for job I was also thinking to set up an internet business in parallel. May be Website development or Seller on Amazon/Ebay. Set up a company to run this internet business on the side and pay my self salary until I find a permanent job. The company would of course have enough capital to invest in the internet business (resources/computer/software) and pay me a salary as an employee.

Does it all sound very fairy tale and have I made it too simple in my head or do you guys see any achievable reality in it?

Parents have 3 months of health insurance from the country of residence. I have EHIC for myself, wife and out daughter. But EHIC is only valid for a short period of time so once I start to get paid from the company then the company can pay Health insurance. I understand the costs of paying insurance through my limited company can cost me a lot :(

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Post by noajthan » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:31 pm

mak35 wrote:...

So whilst I look for job I was also thinking to set up an internet business in parallel. May be Website development or Seller on Amazon/Ebay. Set up a company to run this internet business on the side and pay my self salary until I find a permanent job. The company would of course have enough capital to invest in the internet business (resources/computer/software) and pay me a salary as an employee.

...
Setting up a company with enough resources to pay your own salary does not sound like any type of self-employment that will pass the genuine and effective test (and not be marginal/supplementary).
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Post by mak35 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:41 pm

noajthan wrote:
Setting up a company with enough resources to pay your own salary does not sound like any type of self-employment that will pass the genuine and effective test (and not be marginal/supplementary).
True .. in that scenario I will be employee of my own company. This is how I have been running my own company in UK for the past 10 years. Not to say that UK business laws are same as German business laws but this business model is universally accepted. But I need to do more digging around company laws in Germany.

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Post by noajthan » Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:07 pm

mak35 wrote:
noajthan wrote:
Setting up a company with enough resources to pay your own salary does not sound like any type of self-employment that will pass the genuine and effective test (and not be marginal/supplementary).
True .. in that scenario I will be employee of my own company. This is how I have been running my own company in UK for the past 10 years. Not to say that UK business laws are same as German business laws but this business model is universally accepted. But I need to do more digging around company laws in Germany.
It's not about German business laws its about the EU definition of a worker/self-employed person under the Directive.

If you put 50,000 Euros in & pay yourself 30,000 Euros and spend a happy year running some website you are not a self-employed qualified person who is really working and exercising treaty rights;
you would be more like a self-sufficient person on holiday in Germany with a hobby; and self-sufficiency doesn't count under the UK flavour of SS.

And if it wasn't a German website catering to German customers (in German) it would beg the question why do you even need to be in Germany to run it.

On the other hand, living in Germany and working in a German company (primarily through the medium of German), for a year or so, whilst your children attended a German school/university, would be much more likely to score brownie points when your case is weighed and assessed against the UK's somewhat controversial 'centre of life' requirements.

See https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... dacted.pdf
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Post by mak35 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:03 pm

Thanks Noajthan,

My comments might have depicted this picture but this was not the scenario I had in mind :) I will definitely be looking to make genuine transactions which would produce invoices etc to support where the money has come from.

On the other hand if I do manage to find a job, as you said, that would be ideal. But language is a big barrier. I know someone who lived and worked in Germany for 12 years and his comments are that you should be able to find work. How true will it prove in my case, only the time will tell.

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Re: Surinder Singh via Germany

Post by mak35 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:35 pm

Someone threw a spanner in the plan earlier.

I rang up the Residence Permit section of German Embassy UK to ask if my parents are issued with a Tourist Visa would they be able to apply for Residence Permit directly in Germany. The woman on the other side replied NO and they have to go back to home country and apply for 'Family reunification' visa. She said nationalities of certain countries are not issued RC within Germany. Pakistan being one of them (parent's home)

When I insisted that German Immigration website does not state any distinction applied based on nationality she simply said different councils in German may interpret it differently so you can go and try !! like it is not a big deal to move the entire center of your life to a new country just to find out whether this whole thing will work or not.

I've looked up and book an appointment with a German Immigration Lawyer for tomorrow to check for definite. That woman was not very helpful and would say NO to everything ... typical behavior from Embassy!

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mak35 wrote:All points duly noted and make perfect sense. thanks for your crucial feedback.

@ALKB
How are you going to address the health insurance situation without a job?
Do you speak any German at all?
@ALKB - I may sound very foolish but I do not speak a word of German and was really hoping that I could land a job in IT/Project management in a company where dual language is accepted.This is where my expertise are. Is it too difficult to make it in the IT job market there?

So whilst I look for job I was also thinking to set up an internet business in parallel. May be Website development or Seller on Amazon/Ebay. Set up a company to run this internet business on the side and pay my self salary until I find a permanent job. The company would of course have enough capital to invest in the internet business (resources/computer/software) and pay me a salary as an employee.

Does it all sound very fairy tale and have I made it too simple in my head or do you guys see any achievable reality in it?

Parents have 3 months of health insurance from the country of residence. I have EHIC for myself, wife and out daughter. But EHIC is only valid for a short period of time so once I start to get paid from the company then the company can pay Health insurance. I understand the costs of paying insurance through my limited company can cost me a lot :(
IT is definitely a huge shortage sector and loads of people with that background get granted jobseeker visa because the economy is rather desperate for that skill set.

The more German you speak, the better. While it might be enough to speak English to do an IT job, personal conversations at the office will still be mostly in German and German employers prefer candidates with at least a little bit of language knowledge because it signalises that they will fit in easier and hopefully stay medium or long term. By the way, your efforts to learn the local language will also be scrutinised during centre of life test.

Have you researched where most of the jobs are for your specific expertise?

You don't want to arrive, sign a lease (good luck with that, by the way - flat for five people in the current situation won't be easy, either!) and then realise that all the jobs are 500 km away.

I say: trawl the online job sites and apply your socks off right now!

Are you and your family part of a visible minority? If so, even if I hate to say so, you might want to stick with the bigger towns and cities in former west Germany or Berlin.

I don't know enough about being self-employed/setting up a company in Germany to really comment. I wouldn't want to brave it and I certainly wouldn't want to brave it not knowing the language. I hardly understand the tax forms and I am a native speaker! If you do decide to go self-employed, be careful to not start trading before you have done all the necessary registrations!!! You also might not be able to operate from a rented residential address. Definitely contact the local chamber of commerce or similar for advice beforehand.

EHIC will only work until you are a registered resident, then you need comprehensive insurance. If/when you find a job and get into the German health system, the insurance provider will backdate their fees to the date of your registration. Your spouse and child can then be insured through you for no additional cost but your parents will need their own insurance.

How old is your daughter? If she is school age, then you should definitely stick with bigger cities - Berlin, Hamburg and other big cities have several German/English bilingual Europa schools (and nurseries). Otherwise you'd have to make do with purely German education or private international school with huge school fees.

Have you researched where in Germany you will go at all?
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mak35 wrote:Someone threw a spanner in the plan earlier.

I rang up the Residence Permit section of German Embassy UK to ask if my parents are issued with a Tourist Visa would they be able to apply for Residence Permit directly in Germany. The woman on the other side replied NO and they have to go back to home country and apply for 'Family reunification' visa. She said nationalities of certain countries are not issued RC within Germany. Pakistan being one of them (parent's home)

When I insisted that German Immigration website does not state any distinction applied based on nationality she simply said different councils in German may interpret it differently so you can go and try !! like it is not a big deal to move the entire center of your life to a new country just to find out whether this whole thing will work or not.

I've looked up and book an appointment with a German Immigration Lawyer for tomorrow to check for definite. That woman was not very helpful and would say NO to everything ... typical behavior from Embassy!

Hm. Embassies do not like EU law at all and local telephone and reception staff are often not made aware of it, doesn't come up all that often, either.

What she said sounds about right for family reunification for a German national or a third country national with indefinite leave in Germany.

Have you made it clear that you are talking about EU law? Especially since RC are not possible to be issued OUTSIDE of Germany. All visa are valid for a maximum of 90 days and have to be converted to residence permits or residence cards if applicable.

By the way, a residence card is not a residence permit, even if those come in card form, too.
Residence Permit = Aufenthaltstitel = domestic German law
Residence Card = Aufenthaltskarte = EU law

A few years back I called the Irish Embassy and the person on the phone told me that I would need a work permit for Ireland as a German national.

To be honest, they can't do much against it if you decide to apply for RC in Germany. And local alien departments and also individual caseworkers have indeed a lot of leeway. To the extent that it pays off to just go back and talk to somebody else if you get sent away the first time round.

Talking to a German immigration lawyer is a good idea. Just make sure they know that you are dealing with EU and not domestic immigration law. It's quite different.
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Re: Surinder Singh via Germany

Post by ALKB » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:39 am

mak35 wrote:Someone threw a spanner in the plan earlier.

I rang up the Residence Permit section of German Embassy UK to ask if my parents are issued with a Tourist Visa would they be able to apply for Residence Permit directly in Germany. The woman on the other side replied NO and they have to go back to home country and apply for 'Family reunification' visa. She said nationalities of certain countries are not issued RC within Germany. Pakistan being one of them (parent's home)

When I insisted that German Immigration website does not state any distinction applied based on nationality she simply said different councils in German may interpret it differently so you can go and try !! like it is not a big deal to move the entire center of your life to a new country just to find out whether this whole thing will work or not.

I've looked up and book an appointment with a German Immigration Lawyer for tomorrow to check for definite. That woman was not very helpful and would say NO to everything ... typical behavior from Embassy!

There are several examples on this forum alone of people arriving on a tourist visa in Germany and then applying successfully for residence card for family member of EU nationals.

I specifically remember one thread - the OP had no problem getting an RC for his mother but had trouble getting one for his brother (extended family member). Both had arrived in Germany on short term Schengen tourist visas.

On the other hand, have you researched what Brexit might mean for your plan or what Camerons 'deal' with the EU might mean for you in case the UK stays in the EU?
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Re: Surinder Singh via Germany

Post by mak35 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:58 pm

ALKB wrote:
Have you researched where most of the jobs are for your specific expertise?

Have you researched where in Germany you will go at all?
I have an uncle in Dussledorf so i was hoping that if I get a flat/house for 5 near him for the first 3 months then it would give me a chance to look for work. When I find something suitable we can come out of the 90 day contract into a new one. How strict are the laws governing accommodation?
As you rightly mentioned there are very few properties that can house 5 people.In UK, 4 people can easily live in a 2 bedroom flat but every advert I look at in Germany shows max people allowed conditions. How strictly are these applied in reality.
Is there a way to find cheaper accommodation as it seems very expensive on the websites.

Most IT jobs seem to be in Frankfurt, Hamburg or Berlin. so I am concentrating on these areas.

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