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Post by John » Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:32 pm

Roger, congratulations!

Post questions? Yes of course .... as long as everyone realises that the computer is liable to select different questions in each test ... no one should expect to get exactly the questions you post.

However still useful if you post those questions, to give others a feel as to what the test is like.
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Post by rogerroger » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:40 pm

thanks john

the questions i remember are
1 what is the percentage of single parets in the uk

2 which countries(england, ireland,wales, scotland) local govt. has the most authority

3 if the queen disagrees with a law what does she do?

4. from which countries did immigration take place in the 70's

5. has immigration to britain taken place oly in the last few years(yes this question is connected to the first one, but was also included)

6. is writing letters to your mp in the parliament the only way to contact your mp

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Post by sywahu » Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:33 pm

hi roger,

First of all congratulations.

Are all the questions multiple choice? Are there any "fill in the blanks" type questions etc?

I have a friend who wants to sit the test but he is not exactly ESOL level 3. I think he can read the chapters and still make it. Not 100% sure. Just want to have an idea about the question format.

Thanks
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Post by bbdivo » Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:37 pm

Hi Roger, congrats on passing!

What choices do you have on the answers, for example was it just straight A B C or D (select only the correct answer) or were there some questions where the answer could be A B and C (select all the right answers) and were there true/false answers too?

Edit:- oh my, you just beat me to it sywahu!

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Post by rogerroger » Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:46 pm

you have some true false questions, some select one option, and one select two options

this question had two options that needed to be selected out of 4

from which countries did immigration take place in the 70's

uganda and a second option were the correct ones
russia and middle east were the incorrect ones

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Post by flyez » Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:36 pm

Roger, congratulations indeed!

Obviously, the questions you listed above were total different with mine. So I suppose everyone will have their own test whilst sitting.

So, Roger, do you think you can pass if you don't read ch2-4 in advance?

Also, my Test Instance ID is 4xx (on the right top of pass letter). So, does it mean - I am the 4xxth in the UK to sit the test? I don't know, maybe some other people with the knowledge can kindly asnwer it.

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Post by John » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:25 pm

sywahu wrote:I have a friend who wants to sit the test but he is not exactly ESOL level 3. I think he can read the chapters and still make it. Not 100% sure. Just want to have an idea about the question format.
You say "ESOL Level 3", but in fact the test is not written at that level at all. It is written at the "ESOL Entry Level 3", which is distinctly different.

To give an idea what ESOL Entry Level 3 is, one equivalent of it is an IELTS score of 4.0.

If you really meant to say that your friend is not at the ESOL Entry Level 3 then that friend should not attempt the test, but instead sign up for a combined Citizenship/ESOL course. Getting a completion certificate from such a course means that the Citizenship Test does not need to be taken.
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Post by rogerroger » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:28 pm

i dont know about everyone else but i would not have been able to pass if i had not read chapters 2-4.

my test instance was 6xx

hey do you guys know how long does this certificate last, i might have to delay applying for naturalisation yet again for a month and hence wanted to know how long did the citizenship test certificate lasted

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Post by aix » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:56 am

rogerroger wrote:hey do you guys know how long does this certificate last, i might have to delay applying for naturalisation yet again for a month and hence wanted to know how long did the citizenship test certificate lasted
I am planning to take the test one and a half months prior to applying for citizenship, so if anyone has a view on this, I too would be most intetested to hear it.

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hmm

Post by lemess » Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:03 am

I don't think sensibly there should be a limit on the validity of the test - not less than a few yeas anyway. One can hardly unlearn knowledge of english and life in the UK whilst maintaining residence in the UK ( which you'd have to do in order to use the certificate to apply for citizenship).

However, this relies a bit on logical thinking. That doesn't necessarily always hold :)

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Post by John » Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:40 am

rogerroger wrote:hey do you guys know how long does this certificate last, i might have to delay applying for naturalisation yet again for a month and hence wanted to know how long did the citizenship test certificate lasted
There is no specific time limit at all. that is, the certificate does not expire after a predetermined fixed period.

However that is not quite the whole answer ... in the sense that if you lose the pass certificate then you will need to take the test again. No duplicates will be issued.

So I think the true answer is ... the pass certificate is valid until you lose it! :oops:
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Post by rogerroger » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:08 am

are duplicates necessary

i asked at the test centre what happens if i lose the certificate and he said we send a copy of the certificate to the home office anyway

and i think one can unlearn the percentages in a very short period of time :)

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Post by sywahu » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:14 pm

Thanks John.

He can read and write fine but is not fluent in speaking and his grammar is quite rusty. But given the type of questions asked, he can probably sit the test. For example, the questions on Stats, and on immigration, politics etc are straight forward.

It would be interesting if he passed the test with no formal language qualification. Otherwise I guess he will have to take the classes. I will let the board know!

On the other hand, I have been trying to book a test with no luck. The one in Northampton is all booked for next two months! The one in Luton is worse...she couldn't even say when I could potentially sit the test with them.

Sy.

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Post by John » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:20 pm

Don't know whether it is any help, or too far to travel, but just phoned a couple of centres here in Birmingham. One said "phone the Home Office first" ????? The other said that there is no long waiting time for the test. The link to that is :-

"TBG Learning" Birmingham

Actually, be warned of this before you phone. There was encouragement to sign on to a 10-week course before taking the test. I then asked that if the person was ready to take the test, having studied privately, could they take it without first going on the course? The answer was yes ... with minimal delay.
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Post by rogerroger » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:05 pm

you got to book an appointment for the test too?

i did try to book an appointment but ultimately i just walked in and was given a place on the spot.

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Post by UK_yankees » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:40 pm

Hi everyone,

Congrat to those who has passed their test and Good luck to the rest who are due like me.

I was wondering if anyone could answer my question that I have in my mind.

How many Parliament are there in the countries of the UK? or if a question appear like a statement stating that true or false if UK has more than one parliament..........Please advice

I need an advice from those people who have passed their test.

What kind of question they would ask?

If someone fails those question will appear again?

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Post by John » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:53 pm

The concept of the Citizenship Test is similar to the Driving Theory test. That is, it is totally computer based and there are literally hundreds of possible questions pre-programmed into the computer system. But for any one individual taking the Citizenship Test the computer will ask only 24 questions. If you had say 10 people in the room all taking the test at the same time then those 10 would probably all get different questions from one another.

That is why this Board has absolutely no objection to anyone who has taken the test posting details of the questions they have been asked. That is useful because it gives people an idea what the test is like but there is only a small chance that anyone else sitting the test will get asked the same question.

Parliaments in the UK? Obviously the Parliament for the whole of the UK. But also Scotland has its own Parliament. Wales? Northern Ireland? They each have an assembly but quite specifically neither of those is a Parliament. (No complaints about that please ... I did not write the legislation!)

The Northern Ireland Assembly has been suspended for some time but hopefully will get reactivated at some date.
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Post by rogerroger » Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:19 pm

it is more like how many assemblies and parliaments are there in the UK
UK parliament
irish parliament/assembly (am not sure)
scottish parliament
welsh assembly

and england does not have its own parliament (that might be a true/false question)

i thought stormont was a parliament not an assembly? (and i have passed the test :))

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Post by UK_yankees » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:01 pm

I appreciate all your responses.

But question like this will definately appear. Something people are not sure.

Now Scottish parliament - but limited power ? who control the rest of the power

same for wales national assembly - again limited power?
Northern Ireland Assembly (agreement signed on good friday 1998) and UK has the right to dissolve if any member do not agree..so limited power and UK has the main control

So in my opinion all these parliament and assembly is a devolved on and has direct link with the main United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland. If you see in chapter 1 on the very first it says United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland. so if the question comes that does the UK has more than one parliament I guess the asnwer would be no. I just need to be very sure with your knowledege especially those who has passed their test before I go for my test.

my sixth sense is very bad. When something pop in my mind, I am so sure that this question is going to come. Gotta bad feeling.

You guyz been great
RESPECT TO YOU ALL.

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Post by John » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:56 pm

UK_yankees, do appreciate that you have not got to get all the question right in order to get a pass certificate. The pass rate is about 75%.

As regards the matter you raise I think you would need to look at the exact wording in order to determine how to answer. If the question was something like," How many Parliaments are there in the UK, or any part of the UK?", then I would say the answer is 2.

You mention chapter 1 of the book. Don't overlook that all of the questions in the test will be drawn from chapters 2, 3 and 4.
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Post by UK_yankees » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:10 pm

Hi John,

Thanks for your response. what if the question is

How many Parliament are there in the countries of the UK?

Same way

How many people live in the countries of the UK


I need to get everything right. One of my friend failed his test. Can you beleive he phone me this morning saying that he has failed. So kinda freak me out..

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Post by rogerroger » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:33 pm

go by exactly what is written in the book

had your friend gone through the book

one tip is to go through all the numbers and facts quickly at the test centre, they allowed me to do that, the short term memory kicks in and in my case it helped me "solve" at least one of the questions.

i think it was the who arrived in the 1970's question

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Post by UK_yankees » Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:12 pm

I am going exactly by the book. Revising and reading everything very carefully.

I am ok with the numbers precentage etc.

1970's 2 largest group came to the UK. Indian origins from uganda about 28,000 and South east Asian about 22,000.

See its easy but some aren;t even mentionedJ. ust getting confused on my questions which I had asked earlier thats all.

Anyway people who have done the test please carry on giving me the tips.

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Post by rogerroger » Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:09 pm

get some one to randomly ask questions from the three chapters. it jogs your memory.

have you memorised all those UK population statistics. i memorised them, though i did not get any of those percentages, i got

what isthe percentage of single parents in the UK
i think the options were 35,30,25 and 20 or something like that?

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Post by UK_yankees » Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:45 pm

I truly appreciate what you are saying.

My friend who faile dhis test is now getting the bottom of the questions and answer he did it in the test. He was saying he strongly beleive that one of the 2 questions given to him, he answered them correctly but the computer gave wrong to those questions.

I remember when I was asking about.

The question as state whether this is true or false.
1. Does UK has more than one Parliament in the countries of the UK?
Answer: false

because Uk has one parliament which is the central UK government administer the Scottish Parliament, Wales Assembly and Northern Ireland Assembly. If you see the bank notes for scotland, wales and northern Ireland are issued by the Central Bank of the UK. UK means United kindgomd of great britian and northern Ireland.

2. was multiple choice
How would you contact your MP?
a. Phone his home, b. got to his office, or C. Contact House of common Answer : He would contact house of common.

Now contact house of common mean write to him etc as in Page 74 of Life in the United kingdom.

Now he has been given wrong mark for these two answers.

Thats why I wanna know precise information.

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