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T1 E to ILR Employee Start Date and Signature Questions

Post by miako88 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:23 pm

Dear members,

I have some questions regarding to the employee start date and signing documents. I have read some posts which are similar to mine but not answer my puzzle completely.

1. I have maintained two jobs from my extension, so both jobs been created and staffs started working in 2015 with no break. So for the start date, should I put the date in 2015 or the date when my extension visa been granted?

2. Does the recent policy still require employee start date to be showed on FPS? If yes, should I submit the FPS in 2015 to show the start date as I didn't change employees and recent FPS won't have this information.

3. Does the recent policy still require director's signature on certain documents? Eg. FPS, payslip, employees' passport photocopies, CT600? I remembered there were quite strict rules of signatures when I applied extension visa.

4. One more thing is, do we still need to hand in passport sized photos?

Thank you very much for answering all these questions!

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Re: T1 E to ILR Employee Start Date and Signature Questions

Post by CULLINAN » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:28 pm

miako88 wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:23 pm
Dear members,

I have some questions regarding to the employee start date and signing documents. I have read some posts which are similar to mine but not answer my puzzle completely.

1. I have maintained two jobs from my extension, so both jobs been created and staffs started working in 2015 with no break. So for the start date, should I put the date in 2015 or the date when my extension visa been granted? Start date will be job start date i.e 2015

2. Does the recent policy still require employee start date to be showed on FPS? If yes, should I submit the FPS in 2015 to show the start date as I didn't change employees and recent FPS won't have this information. Not required

3. Does the recent policy still require director's signature on certain documents? Eg. FPS, payslip, employees' passport photocopies, CT600? I remembered there were quite strict rules of signatures when I applied extension visa. There was no such policy even previously. Just sign the CT600 at the end where declartion is

4. One more thing is, do we still need to hand in passport sized photos? Not required

Thank you very much for answering all these questions!
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Re: T1 E to ILR Employee Start Date and Signature Questions

Post by miako88 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:52 pm

tier11417 wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:28 pm
miako88 wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:23 pm
Dear members,

I have some questions regarding to the employee start date and signing documents. I have read some posts which are similar to mine but not answer my puzzle completely.

1. I have maintained two jobs from my extension, so both jobs been created and staffs started working in 2015 with no break. So for the start date, should I put the date in 2015 or the date when my extension visa been granted? Start date will be job start date i.e 2015

2. Does the recent policy still require employee start date to be showed on FPS? If yes, should I submit the FPS in 2015 to show the start date as I didn't change employees and recent FPS won't have this information. Not required

3. Does the recent policy still require director's signature on certain documents? Eg. FPS, payslip, employees' passport photocopies, CT600? I remembered there were quite strict rules of signatures when I applied extension visa. There was no such policy even previously. Just sign the CT600 at the end where declartion is

4. One more thing is, do we still need to hand in passport sized photos? Not required

Thank you very much for answering all these questions!
Dear tier11417, thank you very much for your reply. So I will put the date in both Job creation and employee start date column. I have read some posts which people only put the date when the 12 months qualifying period starts. I feel it's very confusing.

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Re: T1 E to ILR Employee Start Date and Signature Questions

Post by CULLINAN » Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:05 pm

miako88 wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:52 pm
tier11417 wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:28 pm
miako88 wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:23 pm
Dear members,

I have some questions regarding to the employee start date and signing documents. I have read some posts which are similar to mine but not answer my puzzle completely.

1. I have maintained two jobs from my extension, so both jobs been created and staffs started working in 2015 with no break. So for the start date, should I put the date in 2015 or the date when my extension visa been granted? Start date will be job start date i.e 2015

2. Does the recent policy still require employee start date to be showed on FPS? If yes, should I submit the FPS in 2015 to show the start date as I didn't change employees and recent FPS won't have this information. Not required

3. Does the recent policy still require director's signature on certain documents? Eg. FPS, payslip, employees' passport photocopies, CT600? I remembered there were quite strict rules of signatures when I applied extension visa. There was no such policy even previously. Just sign the CT600 at the end where declartion is

4. One more thing is, do we still need to hand in passport sized photos? Not required

Thank you very much for answering all these questions!
Dear tier11417, thank you very much for your reply. So I will put the date in both Job creation and employee start date column. I have read some posts which people only put the date when the 12 months qualifying period starts. I feel it's very confusing.
What is confusing? The job start date and the employee start date is the date the job was created and the employee was hired. How can you change that? Regardless of it was before extension.

However, you can only claim for job creation after extension. You will be sending the relevant FPS and wage slips for the period you are claiming points. That will be the evidence.
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Re: T1 E to ILR Employee Start Date and Signature Questions

Post by aman90 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:01 am

It makes more sense to put in actual start dates instead of date from extension..
I came across such posts when I was applying as well... so I agree with OP it can be perplexing.
I recall I mentioned the start date from after extension..though my employees were working before ext..
Now coz I realised later I may have messed up in my calculation.. I had to work around it. It was managed but..best to stick to info provided to HMRC..

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Re: T1 E to ILR Employee Start Date and Signature Questions

Post by CULLINAN » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:38 am

Note that job start date and employee start date does not necessarily have to be the same.

For example:

If a “sales assisstant” job was created on 1st Nov 2015 and employee A was hired on 1st Nov 2015 then both the job start date and employee start date will be the same (incase employee A is continuous till your ILR stage and you are claiminh for it post extension)

But lets say, employee A left in 2016 and then you hired employee B in 2017 for the same job. Now technically the job start date will be 2015 but employee start date will be 2017 but I personally find this scenerio confusing since the job was not continuous so rather just use 2017 in this case for both employee start date and job start date (as only employee B will be relevant after extension to claim points)

But incase employee A resigned and same time employee B was hired then the job was continuous and the job start date will be 2015 and employee B start date will be 2017 (even though only claiming for employee B after extension)

Note employee start date is more important to be mentioned correctly.
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Re: T1 E to ILR Employee Start Date and Signature Questions

Post by aman90 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:41 pm

tier11417 wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:38 am
Note that job start date and employee start date does not necessarily have to be the same.

For example:

If a “sales assisstant” job was created on 1st Nov 2015 and employee A was hired on 1st Nov 2015 then both the job start date and employee start date will be the same (incase employee A is continuous till your ILR stage and you are claiminh for it post extension)

But lets say, employee A left in 2016 and then you hired employee B in 2017 for the same job. Now technically the job start date will be 2015 but employee start date will be 2017 but I personally find this scenerio confusing since the job was not continuous so rather just use 2017 in this case for both employee start date and job start date (as only employee B will be relevant after extension to claim points)

But incase employee A resigned and same time employee B was hired then the job was continuous and the job start date will be 2015 and employee B start date will be 2017 (even though only claiming for employee B after extension)

Note employee start date is more important to be mentioned correctly.
Though I agree but I was granted ILR with incorrect start date for employee..
The job creation date I stated was during my first period of leave.. the employee started 2 months later. I didn’t use that employee at time of ext but at the time of ILR.. in which I stated the start date after extension.. it was silly to do so..but I looked at it as the date claiming from..
anyways.. I was under transitional arrangement so it was probably not important..

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Re: T1 E to ILR Employee Start Date and Signature Questions

Post by miako88 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:11 pm

tier11417 wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:38 am
Note that job start date and employee start date does not necessarily have to be the same.

For example:

If a “sales assisstant” job was created on 1st Nov 2015 and employee A was hired on 1st Nov 2015 then both the job start date and employee start date will be the same (incase employee A is continuous till your ILR stage and you are claiminh for it post extension)

But lets say, employee A left in 2016 and then you hired employee B in 2017 for the same job. Now technically the job start date will be 2015 but employee start date will be 2017 but I personally find this scenerio confusing since the job was not continuous so rather just use 2017 in this case for both employee start date and job start date (as only employee B will be relevant after extension to claim points)

But incase employee A resigned and same time employee B was hired then the job was continuous and the job start date will be 2015 and employee B start date will be 2017 (even though only claiming for employee B after extension)

Note employee start date is more important to be mentioned correctly.
Hi tier11417,

Thank you for your previous answers. I have two more queries. It would be grateful if you could help me.
1. I only need to get Consent Form Part1 and Part 2 signed. Do I need to also upload the blank Part 3?

2. I can't find the category to upload employee information. There is one category “Sponsors/Employment”. But it sounds like for Tier 2 applicants. Which category did you upload the employees' info?


Thanks again for your help.

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Re: T1 E to ILR Employee Start Date and Signature Questions

Post by CULLINAN » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:27 pm

miako88 wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:11 pm
tier11417 wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:38 am
Note that job start date and employee start date does not necessarily have to be the same.

For example:

If a “sales assisstant” job was created on 1st Nov 2015 and employee A was hired on 1st Nov 2015 then both the job start date and employee start date will be the same (incase employee A is continuous till your ILR stage and you are claiminh for it post extension)

But lets say, employee A left in 2016 and then you hired employee B in 2017 for the same job. Now technically the job start date will be 2015 but employee start date will be 2017 but I personally find this scenerio confusing since the job was not continuous so rather just use 2017 in this case for both employee start date and job start date (as only employee B will be relevant after extension to claim points)

But incase employee A resigned and same time employee B was hired then the job was continuous and the job start date will be 2015 and employee B start date will be 2017 (even though only claiming for employee B after extension)

Note employee start date is more important to be mentioned correctly.
Hi tier11417,

Thank you for your previous answers. I have two more queries. It would be grateful if you could help me.
1. I only need to get Consent Form Part1 and Part 2 signed. Do I need to also upload the blank Part 3?

2. I can't find the category to upload employee information. There is one category “Sponsors/Employment”. But it sounds like for Tier 2 applicants. Which category did you upload the employees' info?



Thanks again for your help.
1) No need to upload part 3 if not relevant to you
2) Business
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Re: T1 E to ILR Employee Start Date and Signature Questions

Post by miako88 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:05 pm

tier11417 wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:27 pm
miako88 wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:11 pm
tier11417 wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:38 am
Note that job start date and employee start date does not necessarily have to be the same.

For example:

If a “sales assisstant” job was created on 1st Nov 2015 and employee A was hired on 1st Nov 2015 then both the job start date and employee start date will be the same (incase employee A is continuous till your ILR stage and you are claiminh for it post extension)

But lets say, employee A left in 2016 and then you hired employee B in 2017 for the same job. Now technically the job start date will be 2015 but employee start date will be 2017 but I personally find this scenerio confusing since the job was not continuous so rather just use 2017 in this case for both employee start date and job start date (as only employee B will be relevant after extension to claim points)

But incase employee A resigned and same time employee B was hired then the job was continuous and the job start date will be 2015 and employee B start date will be 2017 (even though only claiming for employee B after extension)

Note employee start date is more important to be mentioned correctly.
Hi tier11417,

Thank you for your previous answers. I have two more queries. It would be grateful if you could help me.
1. I only need to get Consent Form Part1 and Part 2 signed. Do I need to also upload the blank Part 3?

2. I can't find the category to upload employee information. There is one category “Sponsors/Employment”. But it sounds like for Tier 2 applicants. Which category did you upload the employees' info?



Thanks again for your help.
1) No need to upload part 3 if not relevant to you
2) Business
Thank you very much for your reply.

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