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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:13 pm

CR001 wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:37 pm
Evidence of communication and subsisting relationship needs to show from both sides.
Oh D it.

I’ve asked my husband to screenshot chats that mirror the screenshots I have and call log will only be for August but we have evidence of bills showing that the numbers belong to us so I’m hoping a paragraph within the cover letter should hopefully help.

Thanks CR001

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by seagul » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:32 pm

Messages/chat/calls can be from either side not necessarily from both sides. Either side will cover both side without causing any repetition of same thing.
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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:35 pm

seagul wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:32 pm
Messages/chat/calls can be from either side not necessarily from both sides. Either side will cover both side.
Thank you Seagul and CR001
Ps just out of curiosity- have you and other administrators been through this process?
All members that have responded to me have always been knowledgeable and I’ve wondered!

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by seagul » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:43 pm

ms1993 wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:35 pm
seagul wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:32 pm
Messages/chat/calls can be from either side not necessarily from both sides. Either side will cover both side.
Thank you Seagul and CR001
Ps just out of curiosity- have you and other administrators been through this process?
All members that have responded to me have always been knowledgeable and I’ve wondered!

Same question to you that when you keep cross checking your solicitor here then why you are hiring and paying him :?:
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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:47 pm

seagul wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:43 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:35 pm
seagul wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:32 pm
Messages/chat/calls can be from either side not necessarily from both sides. Either side will cover both side.
Thank you Seagul and CR001
Ps just out of curiosity- have you and other administrators been through this process?
All members that have responded to me have always been knowledgeable and I’ve wondered!

Same question to you that when you keep cross checking your solicitor here then why you are hiring and paying him :?:
Think you may have misunderstood my questions Seagul - wasn’t intended to cause offence...
Paying the solicitor because I’m not an expert within this area despite being educated and having access to such forums :)

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by seagul » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:54 pm

ms1993 wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:47 pm
seagul wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:43 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:35 pm
seagul wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:32 pm
Messages/chat/calls can be from either side not necessarily from both sides. Either side will cover both side.
Thank you Seagul and CR001
Ps just out of curiosity- have you and other administrators been through this process?
All members that have responded to me have always been knowledgeable and I’ve wondered!

Same question to you that when you keep cross checking your solicitor here then why you are hiring and paying him :?:
Think you may have misunderstood my questions Seagul - wasn’t intended to cause offence...
Paying the solicitor because I’m not an expert within this area despite being educated and having access to such forums :)
I guess you didn't get me. Anyways keep it up
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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:37 pm

Hellooo again

Is the priority service £800, paid via Visa4UK at the same time as the application?
Trying to find the exact cost but I couldn’t see it on the website

Thanks

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by Fififadi » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:04 am

ms1993 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:37 pm
Hellooo again

Is the priority service £800, paid via Visa4UK at the same time as the application?
Trying to find the exact cost but I couldn’t see it on the website

Thanks
Yes, that's correct.
All the best!

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:52 pm

Dear all

I will be posting this in the separate forum but for now, the online application has been submitted. I was calm before but now quite panicky! Keep me in your prayers. I’m now confirming the cover letter the solicitor has written and would like views, format:

Pg1 all evidence that is being submitted
Para 1 brief info on my employment, role and my annual. Wage
Para 2 brief info on how my husband and I know each other
A sentence re travel to Pakistan for me and confirmation that we meet all immigration criteria eg housing et.
Para 4 this relates to an earlier issue mentioned above about Abu Dhabi - that my husband can’t recall reason for refusal but does not dispute it is incorrect
Para 5 clarification on issue re passport - stating that it was reported lost without proper legal advice and hadn’t realised that he just had to say he didn’t have it and give passport number only
Para 6 confirming that with his father dying - he had to return to Pakistan from ROI and that’s why we married there


We haven’t included any information relating to his Tier 4 stay in that the college had closed and he was transferred to another provider. BUT we have been completely honest in the travel history and confirmed all tier 4 applications using BRP dates and confirmed all refusals. Do you think we should?

I believe that by providing info on travel history, we have not hidden any material facts and HO will have access to this information anyway. I think the cover letter is therefore sufficient.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:46 pm

Please can a senior member respond. I’ve made a mistake whilst checking the online application that had now been submitted. The question asked HAVE YOU BEEN DEPORTED, REMOVED OR OTHERWISE REQUIRED TO LEAVE ANY COUNTRY INCLUDING THE UK IN THE LAST 10 YEARS?
I chose no

But actually my husband received a letter advising him if he couldn’t submit a new cas he had to leave in 60 days - which he did

I’m literally at the point of crying now -
I’ve added a paragraph into the cover letter confirming the error

And will amend on the printed application form to include further information


Is there anything else I can do? Can it be amended somehow? Possibly at the centre?

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:54 pm

Actually I’m not sure if this is incorrect now?
I’ve made a dummy account to look at the question and the options on clicking yes are

Country
Date of deportation/removal
The port or airport
Reason for deportation or removal

He wasn’t deported. Nor removed. It was simply a letter telling him that as the college had closed down, he had to submit a new CAS or leave within 60 days.

I’m really confused.

Help??

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by seagul » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:23 pm

You are over thinking because no is a correct answer because on closure of colleges usually the visa is curtailed to 60 days. As he has left before deadline then its correct to say no.
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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:45 pm

seagul wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:23 pm
You are over thinking because no is a correct answer because on closure of colleges usually the visa is curtailed to 60 days. As he has left before deadline then its correct to say no.
I think I had a moment of panic so did a lot of digging and found old Patel guidance which my husband was subject to: 60 days to find a new CAS or leave the UK. And I also created the dummy account as above and none of the options applied.

If I’m not wrong - deportation/removal is enforcement and required to leave is overstay / illegal stay - is that right?

Do you think I should add a very small sentence into the cover letter to say something like:

following the submission of the Tier 4 General student visa, the Applicant received a letter telling him to submit a new Sponsorship or leave. The Applicant chose to leave within the 60 days.

Is it necessary to clarify we why chose no on the form? (The options don’t apply?)

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by seagul » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:09 pm

ms1993 wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:45 pm


Do you think I should add a very small sentence into the cover letter to say something like:
No harm in doing so for own mental satisfaction
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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:34 pm

seagul wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:09 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:45 pm


Do you think I should add a very small sentence into the cover letter to say something like:
No harm in doing so for own mental satisfaction
I think that’s exactly what it is. Nothing too long to complicate matters as they hold all records anyway but simple to provide explanation.

Well seagul, thank you (and other moderators too) that have helped me through this journey. Your advice has been very helpful indeed!

Wish me luck

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:34 pm

Fififadi wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:04 am
ms1993 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:37 pm
Hellooo again

Is the priority service £800, paid via Visa4UK at the same time as the application?
Trying to find the exact cost but I couldn’t see it on the website

Thanks

Yes, that's correct.
All the best!
Hey Fifiadi

Assuming you haven’t heard anything yet? Fingers crossed for you! I wondered if you would mind sharing the skeleton of your cover letter so I can see what sort of things you included? Of course not full details but a brief explanation please?

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by Fififadi » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:00 pm

ms1993 wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:34 pm
Fififadi wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:04 am
ms1993 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:37 pm
Hellooo again

Is the priority service £800, paid via Visa4UK at the same time as the application?
Trying to find the exact cost but I couldn’t see it on the website

Thanks

Yes, that's correct.
All the best!
Hey Fifiadi

Assuming you haven’t heard anything yet? Fingers crossed for you! I wondered if you would mind sharing the skeleton of your cover letter so I can see what sort of things you included? Of course not full details but a brief explanation please?
Hi

All the best with your application - I know how nerve wracking it is. The waiting and not knowing is actually the worst part.

Not heard anything yet - really hoping for a miracle - In Sha Allah will be positive.

I said the following in relation to the immigration history:

I am fully aware of <<>>> previous immigration history and am extremely conscious of the fact that this may cast reservations and doubts when considering this spouse visa application. I would like to take this opportunity to humbly request that this case is viewed independently of his previous history. I hope that it is clear from the supporting documentation that I will be submitting as part of <<<>>> application the legitimacy of this relationship and that he is granted him leave to remain to join me in the UK so that we are able to start our life together.

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:10 pm

Fififadi wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:00 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:34 pm
Fififadi wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:04 am
ms1993 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:37 pm
Hellooo again

Is the priority service £800, paid via Visa4UK at the same time as the application?
Trying to find the exact cost but I couldn’t see it on the website

Thanks

Yes, that's correct.
All the best!
Hey Fifiadi

Assuming you haven’t heard anything yet? Fingers crossed for you! I wondered if you would mind sharing the skeleton of your cover letter so I can see what sort of things you included? Of course not full details but a brief explanation please?
Hi

All the best with your application - I know how nerve wracking it is. The waiting and not knowing is actually the worst part.

Not heard anything yet - really hoping for a miracle - In Sha Allah will be positive.

I said the following in relation to the immigration history:

I am fully aware of <<>>> previous immigration history and am extremely conscious of the fact that this may cast reservations and doubts when considering this spouse visa application. I would like to take this opportunity to humbly request that this case is viewed independently of his previous history. I hope that it is clear from the supporting documentation that I will be submitting as part of <<<>>> application the legitimacy of this relationship and that he is granted him leave to remain to join me in the UK so that we are able to start our life together.
Brilliant - did you write it yourself or did you instruct a firm? Did you go into much detail about his history?

I know the feeling btw, our clock starts after the 18th and it’ll be a standard one for us unless we choose priority (if allowed on day of appointment) - I really hope it works out for you InshaAllah and that honesty prevails.

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by Fififadi » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:25 pm

ms1993 wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:10 pm
Fififadi wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:00 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:34 pm
Fififadi wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:04 am



Yes, that's correct.
All the best!
Hey Fifiadi

Assuming you haven’t heard anything yet? Fingers crossed for you! I wondered if you would mind sharing the skeleton of your cover letter so I can see what sort of things you included? Of course not full details but a brief explanation please?
Hi

All the best with your application - I know how nerve wracking it is. The waiting and not knowing is actually the worst part.

Not heard anything yet - really hoping for a miracle - In Sha Allah will be positive.

I said the following in relation to the immigration history:

I am fully aware of <<>>> previous immigration history and am extremely conscious of the fact that this may cast reservations and doubts when considering this spouse visa application. I would like to take this opportunity to humbly request that this case is viewed independently of his previous history. I hope that it is clear from the supporting documentation that I will be submitting as part of <<<>>> application the legitimacy of this relationship and that he is granted him leave to remain to join me in the UK so that we are able to start our life together.
Brilliant - did you write it yourself or did you instruct a firm? Did you go into much detail about his history?

I know the feeling btw, our clock starts after the 18th and it’ll be a standard one for us unless we choose priority (if allowed on day of appointment) - I really hope it works out for you InshaAllah and that honesty prevails.
Yes - I wrote it myself. didn't use a solicitor as there wasn't much else they could add for me for any part of the application. I didn't go into detail in the letter, but did in the application - so dates of refusals etc.

We did priority service, but i doubt it will be done in those timescales but at least the application will be put in front of the queue at all stages.

I hope and wish the same for you too. Will keep you updated!

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:32 pm

Fififadi wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:25 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:10 pm
Fififadi wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:00 pm
ms1993 wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:34 pm


Hey Fifiadi

Assuming you haven’t heard anything yet? Fingers crossed for you! I wondered if you would mind sharing the skeleton of your cover letter so I can see what sort of things you included? Of course not full details but a brief explanation please?
Hi

All the best with your application - I know how nerve wracking it is. The waiting and not knowing is actually the worst part.

Not heard anything yet - really hoping for a miracle - In Sha Allah will be positive.

I said the following in relation to the immigration history:

I am fully aware of <<>>> previous immigration history and am extremely conscious of the fact that this may cast reservations and doubts when considering this spouse visa application. I would like to take this opportunity to humbly request that this case is viewed independently of his previous history. I hope that it is clear from the supporting documentation that I will be submitting as part of <<<>>> application the legitimacy of this relationship and that he is granted him leave to remain to join me in the UK so that we are able to start our life together.
Brilliant - did you write it yourself or did you instruct a firm? Did you go into much detail about his history?

I know the feeling btw, our clock starts after the 18th and it’ll be a standard one for us unless we choose priority (if allowed on day of appointment) - I really hope it works out for you InshaAllah and that honesty prevails.
Yes - I wrote it myself. didn't use a solicitor as there wasn't much else they could add for me for any part of the application. I didn't go into detail in the letter, but did in the application - so dates of refusals etc.

We did priority service, but i doubt it will be done in those timescales but at least the application will be put in front of the queue at all stages.

I hope and wish the same for you too. Will keep you updated!
I’ve done the same too - all information on the application and highlighted two areas of concern in the letter.

I keep an eye on the timeline and a look out for your name to see if there’s been an update! No news is good news and Allah is the best of planners.

We may leave it as the non priority I think - but I suppose that’s my husbands decision.

Good luck x

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:23 am

So having spoken to my solicitor yesterday, I was told that I have too much communication - between December through to August

We married in April. The solicitor has proposed that when I collect the file, I should take out what I think but I’m not sure...

I have screenshots of 4 per page = one sheet

I propose that I keep communication for on March to August ... But I’m not sure how much to keep or take out?

What about 3 pages per week including all calls?

Or shall I just include all in?

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by KristianDLloyd » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:47 am

ms1993 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:23 am
So having spoken to my solicitor yesterday, I was told that I have too much communication - between December through to August

We married in April. The solicitor has proposed that when I collect the file, I should take out what I think but I’m not sure...

I have screenshots of 4 per page = one sheet

I propose that I keep communication for on March to August ... But I’m not sure how much to keep or take out?

What about 3 pages per week including all calls?

Or shall I just include all in?
I wouldn’t worry, as long as it is all relevant. It’s not the quantity, but the quality of the evidence. Ensure that the chats include where you talk of your life together, how you miss each other etc.

As an idea, our successful application included:
- 48 photos (spanning 2 years)
- evidence of 60 calls (spanning 6 months - we both changed phones and call history was lost. A cover page explained this, together with receipts for the new phones)
- 208 screenshots of chats (over 2 years, roughly 2-3 chats per week)
- 15 pages of letters and receipt for gifts (valentines flowers, birthday presents etc)

Application Type: Settlement, Fiancé
Application Date: 26 June 2019
Decision Date: 29 August 2019
Decision: Granted

Application Type: FLR(M)
Application Date: 23 October 2019
Decision Date: 28 October 2019
Decision: Granted

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:59 am

KristianDLloyd wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:47 am
ms1993 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:23 am
So having spoken to my solicitor yesterday, I was told that I have too much communication - between December through to August

We married in April. The solicitor has proposed that when I collect the file, I should take out what I think but I’m not sure...

I have screenshots of 4 per page = one sheet

I propose that I keep communication for on March to August ... But I’m not sure how much to keep or take out?

What about 3 pages per week including all calls?

Or shall I just include all in?
I wouldn’t worry, as long as it is all relevant. It’s not the quantity, but the quality of the evidence. Ensure that the chats include where you talk of your life together, how you miss each other etc.

As an idea, our successful application included:
- 48 photos (spanning 2 years)
- evidence of 60 calls (spanning 6 months - we both changed phones and call history was lost. A cover page explained this, together with receipts for the new phones)
- 208 screenshots of chats (over 2 years, roughly 2-3 chats per week)
- 15 pages of letters and receipt for gifts (valentines flowers, birthday presents etc)
Brilliant - thank you. Our chat history is probably of the same quantity - full of general chat and a few arguments (as you do!)

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:17 pm

Please can someone confirm what is required to be taken to the Biometrics appointment? Is it

- Application form, signed and dated
- Email confirming visa payment
- Email conforming IHS payment
- Email confirming biometrics appointment
- His passport

Is there anything else? Supporting documents will be uploaded from within the UK following his appointment.

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Re: Advice required on wording and immigration history

Post by ms1993 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:58 pm

Please can someone confirm the above and also consider the following

When my husband left the ROI we requested that the review is withdrawn - the request to withdraw was refused on the basis that RoI want to ensure my husbands immigration history is correct should he wish to return. Even though we said he won’t be...

Anyway long story short - since then my husband has asked his landlord and no letters received in Ireland and no emails received. We’ve declared the initial refusal in the online application which was as is at the time and *we are unaware of any further decision*

Should we add into the cover letter in addition to the following sentence -“ the review was requested to be withdrawn *and at the time of the online application, the Applicant is unaware of any further changes to the status of the review *

Should we add? Shouldn’t we? Is it contradictory?

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