Moving from Poland to UK family

Hello. We are planning to move from Poland to UK with my fiancée and our 2-year-old son.
My parents and my brother live in the UK, we were visiting them, but unfortunately in 2020 we were not becaus of COVID. I am a C + E driver by profession (I know that there is a high demand for drivers but is not on the list of the greatest demand), I know the language at the communicative level. There are new changes after brexit to move to UK. What will be the best solution for us to move to UK? Pleas help.

When was the last time you were in the UK and how long did you stay?

Also, how old are you?

Im 33 and my fiancee 29. the last time we were in December 2019.We were planning to move in 2020 but due to covid we had to give it up and postpone it to 2021.

How long did you stay in 2019?

One week

Hello. We are planning to move from Poland to UK with my fiancée and our 2-year-old son. Im 33 and my fiancee 29yo. Last time we were in UK decembre 2019.
My parents and my brother live in the UK, we were visiting them, but unfortunately in 2020 we were not becaus of COVID. I am a C + E driver by profession (I know that there is a high demand for drivers but is not on the list of the greatest demand), I know the language at the communicative level. There are new changes after brexit to move to UK. What will be the best solution for us to move to UK? Pleas help.

Is there any emigration lawyer who can help?

Find an immigration adviser.

anyone who cannot help sends help to gov.uk and there it is just confusion. simple question simple answer what is this forum for if the person is sent to the government site. no sense

Unfortunately, I think a simple answer is that you are too late to apply under the EU route. The other work routes are on the Gov.UK website.

I think the opinion of one person on the whole forum is not enough

Hence, I gave you a link to find immigration advisers, as asked.

What is the legal status of EU citizens during the post-Brexit “grace period”?

From 1 January 2021, EU/EEA/Swiss citizens who wish to move to the UK to work and study will have to meet the requirements of the new points-based immigration system.

Jackmaj wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:47 pm

anyone who cannot help sends help to gov.uk and there it is just confusion. simple question simple answer what is this forum for if the person is sent to the government site. no sense

You can't use the EU route anymore.

You can find a job that is willing and able to provide sponsorship (difficult as a driver at this point in time - does your fiancée have sought-after skills?), take up university studies (paying international student fees), or invest a whole lot of money into a business.

If you don't mind long term plans, you could move to the Republic of Ireland, stay five years, naturalise as Irish and then move to the UK as an Irish citizen, provided rules don't change until then.

ALKB wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:47 pm

If you don't mind long term plans, you could move to the Republic of Ireland, stay five years, naturalise as Irish and then move to the UK as an Irish citizen, provided rules don't change until then.

Good idea.

Unfortunately, you needed to have been in the UK before 31 December 2020 for your parents to sponsor you on the EU Settlement Scheme. You will have to try to qualify on the other routes. The rules changed on 1 January 2021 and unless you are dependent on your parents maybe you could try the EUSS family pemit. Good luck . I told a friend to apply in 2019 as they have an EU passport they didn't and they went home to South America and covid happened. Now they are stuck and they are out of options now.

alana7 wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:20 pm

I told a friend to apply in 2019 as they have an EU passport they didn't and they went home to South America and covid happened. Now they are stuck and they are out of options now.

They have options to live in another country. There is still Free Movement to all the other countries.
Or they could get qualifications that menas an employer would want to sponsor them the UK or any other country.

ALKB wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:47 pm

If you don't mind long term plans, you could move to the Republic of Ireland, stay five years, naturalise as Irish and then move to the UK as an Irish citizen, provided rules don't change until then.

I was wondering if the EU would stop letting Irish citizens have the advantage of moving to the UK? The EU have equalities laws: citizens of one EEA country still being allowed that advantage, that the citizens of all the other EEA countries have now lost.

JB007 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:49 am

alana7 wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:20 pm

I told a friend to apply in 2019 as they have an EU passport they didn't and they went home to South America and covid happened. Now they are stuck and they are out of options now.

They have options to live in another country. There is still Free Movement to all the other countries.
Or they could get qualifications that menas an employer would want to sponsor them the UK or any other country.

I explained that but they are set on the UK for now but maybe reality will set in and they make a new plan for life especially as they don't want to live in the country where their EU passport is from.

JB007 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:55 am

ALKB wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:47 pm

If you don't mind long term plans, you could move to the Republic of Ireland, stay five years, naturalise as Irish and then move to the UK as an Irish citizen, provided rules don't change until then.

I was wondering if the EU would stop letting Irish citizens have the advantage of moving to the UK? The EU have equalities laws: citizens of one EEA country still being allowed that advantage, that the citizens of all the other EEA countries have now lost.

I understand the Common Travel Area (CTA) is excluded from the Withdrawal Agreement - so the EU must have accepted it's existence outside EU rules?
Also the UK and Ireland have re-affirmed the continuation of the CTA.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... a-guidance

alterhase58 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:48 pm

JB007 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:55 am

ALKB wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:47 pm

If you don't mind long term plans, you could move to the Republic of Ireland, stay five years, naturalise as Irish and then move to the UK as an Irish citizen, provided rules don't change until then.

I was wondering if the EU would stop letting Irish citizens have the advantage of moving to the UK? The EU have equalities laws: citizens of one EEA country still being allowed that advantage, that the citizens of all the other EEA countries have now lost.

I understand the Common Travel Area (CTA) is excluded from the Withdrawal Agreement - so the EU must have accepted it's existence outside EU rules?
Also the UK and Ireland have re-affirmed the continuation of the CTA.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... a-guidance

It appears that what the EU say and what they do, are two different things?

The EU have equality laws; the UK is now a "third country" for the EU; the popular move to the UK has now ended for all those using EU regulations.

JB007 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:55 am

ALKB wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:47 pm

If you don't mind long term plans, you could move to the Republic of Ireland, stay five years, naturalise as Irish and then move to the UK as an Irish citizen, provided rules don't change until then.

I was wondering if the EU would stop letting Irish citizens have the advantage of moving to the UK? The EU have equalities laws: citizens of one EEA country still being allowed that advantage, that the citizens of all the other EEA countries have now lost.

There is pretty much a 0% chance that the freedom of movement between UK and Rep. of Ireland will be restricted or removed in our lifetimes. There is a fragile peace in Northern Ireland and the freedom of movement / equal civil rights between British and Irish citizens is a necessary aspect. The EU understands the fragility of the region very well - which is why even during brexit negotiations, the EU did not push a hard border between ROI (EU) and UK (non-EU).

Even if Irish reunification happens in the next 10-20 years and the soft border disappears for good, there will still be a significant population in the united Ireland that would consider themselves British. In order to protect their descendants' rights, it's likely that some form of the common travel agreement will remain allowing Irish and British citizens rights in each others' countries.

In summary, moving to Ireland and naturalizing as an Irish citizen is a fairly reliable and legal pathway to moving to the UK, and this pathway won't be disappearing any time soon.

JB007 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:55 am

ALKB wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:47 pm

If you don't mind long term plans, you could move to the Republic of Ireland, stay five years, naturalise as Irish and then move to the UK as an Irish citizen, provided rules don't change until then.

I was wondering if the EU would stop letting Irish citizens have the advantage of moving to the UK? The EU have equalities laws: citizens of one EEA country still being allowed that advantage, that the citizens of all the other EEA countries have now lost.

Apart from Schengen visas and freedom of movement, immigration for third country nationals is a national matter for each EU member states. Italy has an elective residence visa, Malta more or less sells passports, several countries have golden visas for those buying expensive property, individual countries have youth mobility visas for specific third countries, Germany and Austria have a jobseeker visas, some countries offer retirement visas, some don't.

ALKB wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:47 pm

Jackmaj wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:47 pm

anyone who cannot help sends help to gov.uk and there it is just confusion. simple question simple answer what is this forum for if the person is sent to the government site. no sense

You can't use the EU route anymore.

You can find a job that is willing and able to provide sponsorship (difficult as a driver at this point in time - does your fiancée have sought-after skills?), take up university studies (paying international student fees), or invest a whole lot of money into a business.

If you don't mind long term plans, you could move to the Republic of Ireland, stay five years, naturalise as Irish and then move to the UK as an Irish citizen, provided rules don't change until then.

Sorry for that route will not work because Irish national will be treated as EU national if they are not born in Ireland or their parents are not Irish.

leo_baig wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:19 pm

Sorry for that route will not work because Irish national will be treated as EU national if they are not born in Ireland or their parents are not Irish.

Not sure where you got that idea from.

The UK has its own rules about the ability of Irish citizens (regardless of how they acquired Irish citizenship; by birth, by descent or by naturalisation) to move to and live in the UK. All Irish citizens can move to and live in the UK unconditionally under UK law and similarly all British citizens can move to and live in Ireland under Irish law unconditionally, even after Brexit.

However, that applies only to the Irish or British citizens themselves and not their family members. An Irish citizen (other than a "relevant person of Northern Ireland", born in Northern Ireland) would need to meet the same, much tougher, requirements as a British citizen to bring their spouses and children to the UK. And other family members do not have much of a chance at all.

secret.simon wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:53 pm

All Irish citizens can move to and live in the UK unconditionally under UK law ...

Not quite unconditionally; Irish citizens can be excluded or deported "when in exceptional circumstances in ‘the public interest’."
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/th ... er-brexit/

The UK’s approach since 2007 has been to only consider Irish citizens for deportation where a criminal court has recommended deportation or conviction or where the Secretary of State concludes that due to the exceptional circumstances of the case the public interest requires deportation. This approach is to be maintained.
https://questions-statements.parliament ... 13/HL14521