Spousal Visa Application - Pakistan

After waiting 4 months since i submitted my appeal to BHC london. They have finally told me the original refusal has been maintained this SUCKS. I am absolutely devastated and have never come across this type Bullsh*t in my life. I sent them more than enough proof all my accounts self assesment dads mortgage papers literelly the works. Uncle Batley Khan what is the next step???????????????? Do i contact ait???? im going pk in jan do i re- apply??????

Hi Mohammed,

as there was a gap between your last contact with your wife and your application they needed to be satsfied that you did have contact, did you send anything or make any calls which will show records.

In relation to the other points you could submit a new accommodation report but act really fast. it must state you occupy the property.

If you submit the above with the appeal papers you wil have a good chance it will be reviewed. You will have a good chance.

The reasons for refusal are petty and i think you will be ok if you can prove contact.

Hi RM786.

Sorry to hear they are still not willing to overturn the decision. The next step is to let it go ahead to a full appeal hearing, where I am sure the decision will be overturned.

Just sit tight and wait for a hearing date that AIT will try and sort out for you.

Normally takes 6 months from lodging appeal. As 4 months has already elapsed, its not long before you will get hearing date.

You will need to seek the advice of a solicitor, unless you want to represent yourself at the hearing.

I would not reapply and pay full fee and wait a further 3 months to see if the outcome is different. Wait for the hearing.

Also dont worry. What has happened to you is not unusual. It happens a lot. Inshallh I am sure you will succeed.

You state that you travelled to Pakistan in April to May 2009. Your passport does not show that you travelled to Pakistan since 2006. You say you keep in contact by telephone, you have provided phone cards as evidence of regular contact with your sponsor. However these cards have no name or personal details on them and so do not demonstrate who purchased them or whom they were used to contact. Also I am aware that these cards are readily available in Pakistan to purchase second hand. On the evidence before me I am not satisfied that these cards were used to contact your sponsor. Save for these phone cards you have not been able to supply any evidence of contact with your sponsor. Therefore on the balance of probabilities I am not satisfied that your relationship with your sponsor is subsisting or that you intend to live with your sponsor. Paragraph (iii) HC395

Your sponsor has not provided any evidence that he occupies the accommodation where he resides. Therefore on the balance of probabilities I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of paragraph 281 (iv) HC 395

Hi Mohammad

You are not from Batley by any chance?

Mohammad if you have read my earlier post somewhere here, You will see that I pointed out the disadavantages of using calling cards. The ECO has pointed out the reasons why, these cards are not acceptable.

I am afraid unless you can provide evidence of how you kept in contact with your wife, its going to be difficult.

Did you send any hand written letters, emails etc?. What about sending her money?. Have you got receipt for it. Things like these will do.

As far as your acommadation is involved, beside doing the report, did you send any proof that you actually own it and live there ( eg bills etc)?

I emailed the abu dhabi team below is the reply i got from them can anyone help me how long does it take for the passport to come back after the email i have recived

Dear Sir/Madam

Thank you for your email. This type of application is lodged in Pakistan and processed in the UK. I have checked on the status of your application and can confirm that your application has been processed.

Please do not contact the VAC directly about this as they will contact you when your paperwork is ready for collection.

Please forward any future settlement enquiries to ukhub.pakistangeneralenquiries@fco.gov.uk.

Regards

Visa Correspondence Team
British Embassy, Abu Dhabi

Hi guys an update from the Gerrys website under latest news.

21 December 2009: Update on settlement application processing times. The UK Border Agency is now pleased to inform customers that the backlog of settlement applications has been reduced. Most settlement applications will now be processed within 12 weeks.

Hi

i have received a email from the UK Visa section;

A decision was made on this case on 14th December.Gerry's will contact the applicant when the passport is ready for collection

How long will it be before this is so any intimation of whether the application is successful.

hi there i also received an email from UK Visa section it indicates;

A decision was made on this case on 9th December.Gerry's will contact the applicant when the passport is ready for collection

how long will it take for gerrys to call the applicant

Hi there,

I will be resubmitting my wifes settlement application next week for the second time due to a refusal earlier. This is the contents of my application will you please confirm that i have gather everything before i send the paper work off

-Completed Vaf4 Form
-Letter of Rerpresentation from my solicitor addresing the reasons of refusal last time
-tenancy agreement for rental income
-Projected and actual acocunts for rental income
-6 months wage slips
-employers letters
-6 months bank account statements
-House survey report
l0and registery deeds for my property and my parents confirming ownership and mortgage free
-letter from parents stating i can stay with them rent free and so can my wife
-p60
-wedding photographs and some photographs from 2005 when i met wife when we got engaged
-couple of letters and eid cards received from wife
-attested photocopies of my new and old passport showing entry and exit stamps
-copy of nicop card
-receipts of money sent to my wife via currency exchange
-calling cards ( with enclosed statement confirming why calling cards have been used because it is cheaper way to call wife and get to talk longer)


anything else that needs to be added ?

my initial appliation was refused due to poor planning. and i want to get it right this time.

Refusal due to 'poor planning'...what was the actual reason was given for refusal? Do you still have legal representation?

finally a breakthrough after 7 months I got an e-mail from ukhub to tell me tha wifes visa was processed on 22nd of dec, im going to get on to my mp to tell me the result pls pray for me so nervous

does anyone know approx how long after the decison is made the passport is sent to gerrys

call letter received today! won appeal in OCT 09!

the letter went to the wrong friggin address! but lucky they gave it to my wife as they all live in the pind,

my wife didn't receive a determination letter tho! now i wudnt be suprised if that got lost!!!

this really is a close call! il keep all posted

Casa wrote:Refusal due to 'poor planning'...what was the actual reason was given for refusal? Do you still have legal representation?

Hi,

I still have legal representation. Its just i never include d some rental agreements therfore refued on maintenance grounds.

Refusal due to 'poor planning'...what was the actual reason was given for refusal? Do you still have legal representation?

Boy I hate it when these newbies come on wanting advice without giving full reasons for their refusals.

I am not going to help anyone who does this from now on.

When will these newbies realise that to an experienced advisor the reasons for refusal are critical in giving correct advise.What the newbies interpret the refusal will be completely different to what an experienced advisors interprets

The reasons of refusal was that i had 5000 pounds savings in my account which is cummulated due to my rental income. The eco wanted to know where this 5k came from and also said that i stated in my application that i receive rental income and no evidence has been submited to support this. (when infact there was) therefore the eco claimed that i could not fund my self without recourse to public funds.

Thankyou uncle Batley khan.


Will they definetly take 2 months for the date because i appealed to bhc london so i didnt go through ait to start of with???


i think i will let it go to appeal as re- applying will not gaurantee success. Where as appeal most probably will as i have strong evidence.

VASEY wrote:Hi Mohammed,

as there was a gap between your last contact with your wife and your application they needed to be satsfied that you did have contact, did you send anything or make any calls which will show records.

In relation to the other points you could submit a new accommodation report but act really fast. it must state you occupy the property.

If you submit the above with the appeal papers you wil have a good chance it will be reviewed. You will have a good chance.

The reasons for refusal are petty and i think you will be ok if you can prove contact.

Hi I have a lebara sim which i got on 13th october 2009 and before that have a 3 mobile sim which i used to text off. The accomodation report says that I occupy 1 of the rooms in the house.

batleykhan wrote:

You state that you travelled to Pakistan in April to May 2009. Your passport does not show that you travelled to Pakistan since 2006. You say you keep in contact by telephone, you have provided phone cards as evidence of regular contact with your sponsor. However these cards have no name or personal details on them and so do not demonstrate who purchased them or whom they were used to contact. Also I am aware that these cards are readily available in Pakistan to purchase second hand. On the evidence before me I am not satisfied that these cards were used to contact your sponsor. Save for these phone cards you have not been able to supply any evidence of contact with your sponsor. Therefore on the balance of probabilities I am not satisfied that your relationship with your sponsor is subsisting or that you intend to live with your sponsor. Paragraph (iii) HC395

Your sponsor has not provided any evidence that he occupies the accommodation where he resides. Therefore on the balance of probabilities I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of paragraph 281 (iv) HC 395

Hi Mohammad

You are not from Batley by any chance?

Mohammad if you have read my earlier post somewhere here, You will see that I pointed out the disadavantages of using calling cards. The ECO has pointed out the reasons why, these cards are not acceptable.

I am afraid unless you can provide evidence of how you kept in contact with your wife, its going to be difficult.

Did you send any hand written letters, emails etc?. What about sending her money?. Have you got receipt for it. Things like these will do.

As far as your acommadation is involved, beside doing the report, did you send any proof that you actually own it and live there ( eg bills etc)?

My dad owns the house, My dad wrote a letter saying we can live rent free, and sent a copy of his title deeds, i have a lebara sim, which i got on oct 13th 2009 which shows that i kept in touch, also before that I have a 3 mobile sim which i used to text off, the sim is on my brothers name.
any help??

Thanks

Im from Bradford 5

batleykhan wrote:

You state that you travelled to Pakistan in April to May 2009. Your passport does not show that you travelled to Pakistan since 2006. You say you keep in contact by telephone, you have provided phone cards as evidence of regular contact with your sponsor. However these cards have no name or personal details on them and so do not demonstrate who purchased them or whom they were used to contact. Also I am aware that these cards are readily available in Pakistan to purchase second hand. On the evidence before me I am not satisfied that these cards were used to contact your sponsor. Save for these phone cards you have not been able to supply any evidence of contact with your sponsor. Therefore on the balance of probabilities I am not satisfied that your relationship with your sponsor is subsisting or that you intend to live with your sponsor. Paragraph (iii) HC395

Your sponsor has not provided any evidence that he occupies the accommodation where he resides. Therefore on the balance of probabilities I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of paragraph 281 (iv) HC 395

Hi Mohammad

You are not from Batley by any chance?

Mohammad if you have read my earlier post somewhere here, You will see that I pointed out the disadavantages of using calling cards. The ECO has pointed out the reasons why, these cards are not acceptable.

I am afraid unless you can provide evidence of how you kept in contact with your wife, its going to be difficult.

Did you send any hand written letters, emails etc?. What about sending her money?. Have you got receipt for it. Things like these will do.

As far as your acommadation is involved, beside doing the report, did you send any proof that you actually own it and live there ( eg bills etc)?

I sent bank statements for a year, I gave money to family to ger to her, am going to send her some this week,

Thanks

RM786

Look at this link

http://www.ait.gov.uk/Documents/Appeals ... ftheUK.pdf

hi everyone

i found this forum yesterday and have found it to be one of the best for information and advise, than you to everyone who has posted on this site

i hope someone can help me out aswel, my wife applied for a visa 6 weeks ago, we got married about a month before the application

after reading the information on this website, i am extremely worried now that the application will be rejected, some people have gone in to a lot of detail with the evidence and i feel mine pales in comparison

what worries me most at the moment, is the contact side of the evidence, i went to pakistan in june and in my application, included stamps from my passport on entry and exit from pakistan

when i returned in august from pakistan, i contacted my wife via calling card and have done so everyday, but upon advise from others, i did not send any calling cards, i have not emailed my wife as she has no access to email where she lives,

i am worried that they will say there is not enough evidence to prove contact with her

also, i called her today to get her reference number and she told me it was

islamabad/131109/108233/1

but when i go on the website to track and enter her date of birth,it says invalid search

can anyone advise if i have the number incorrect or maybe show me a example reference number, she sent it from islamabad

Mohammad

See the Private message that I sent you

islamabad/131109/108233/1


Hi, in order to track it the initial "islamabad" should be only three digits either ISB not to sure maybe someone will be able to advise what the initials are for the islamamabd vac as the mirpur VAC initials are QML.

Hi, Mr Khan and RM786,

Can you please explain what is going on. I got married in march 09. My hubby submitted papers on 28 April 09. After long wait they rejected as i have explained previously. I submitted his appeal in uk ECO office 2nd sep 09. My MP got involved. ECO said my appeal was late. but it wasn't because we didn't get the decision until 19th august 09. after long letter and conversation with MP they desided to take the appeal not late. I phoned AIT people they said they don't have the documents. And that they can't tell me anything as it is my hubby' case. Then my hubby sent permission letter to them to say I have all the rights to deal with his case.

My MP contacted them AIT they said they are not expecting papers to reach them by 16th March 2010. What does that mean.

They refused to answer me and my MP.
My MP said wait for the ECO people to make the decision.
I don't know what is happening. They wrote to my hubby so thay said. But my hubby in Pakistan Karachi didnot recieve any papers at all. 3 months ago.

I don't what is going on where are the papers. I don't what to do? Who to contact. I sent three times permission letters recorded delivery. They said they don't have it yet.

What shall I do?

Please help.

You can do one of two things:

Get your hubby to make a new application ensuring you correct the reasons that he was refused on first time around and hope for the best.

As far as your appeal goes

Applied 29th April 09
rejected 8th May 09
Recieved response 18th Auguast 09
Lodged Appeal 2nd Sep 09,

Why was it rejected in May , yet it took 3.5 months for you to recieve response /refusal notice?. If that is the case I can understand why the AIT or BHC are saying your appeal was lodged out of time.

Is there a date on the refusal notice taht your husband recieved and he should have signed for.... what date is on there.

If you say that AIT have said your appeal is in time, then the time they have given you (March 2010) is the latest time that the ECO must get the appeal papersto AIT, if the ECM has reviwed it and still has refused it.

It will be then listed down for an oral hearing where you have to attend to represent your hubby.

Like I have said if you dont want to wait, then reapply againmaking sure you have all the correct docs.