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Re: SPOUSE VISA QUESTION

Post by Mfamily » Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:52 pm

Hypn0toz3d wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:31 pm
Hi there,

I have finally submitted my visa application on 1st october 2019 along with my biometrics and passport on priority service. Now waiting for decision fingers crossed. Hope for the best.

Thanks for the support so far.
Where did you scan your documents? Did they check original documents or did you just scan from coloured copies? Thanks

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Re: SPOUSE VISA QUESTION

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:38 am

They scanned all my original documents in application center and returned them to me except my passport. Home Office doesn’t need hard copies anymore. You can scan original documents online on vfs global website yourself and only take your passport to visa application center.

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Re: SPOUSE VISA QUESTION

Post by Mfamily » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:24 am

Hypn0toz3d wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:38 am
They scanned all my original documents in application center and returned them to me except my passport. Home Office doesn’t need hard copies anymore. You can scan original documents online on vfs global website yourself and only take your passport to visa application center.

Thanks
Thanks hypn0..
I was confirming that does they scan only original documents? If so then I need to send all my original documents to my wife to UK for scanning.

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Re: SPOUSE VISA QUESTION

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:48 pm

Originals should be submitted or certified copies.

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Re: SPOUSE VISA QUESTION

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:19 am

Biometrics submitted on 01st october 2019. Priority

Received acknowledgement email today 24 oct 2019.

Now waiting for decision. Fingers crossed

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Re: SPOUSE VISA QUESTION

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:01 pm

Passport received at vfs islamabad today. Will be collecting tomorrow. Hopefully good news. Fingers crossed. Please pray.

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Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:03 am

Guys here is the joke by HO.

I meet all other requirements but not financial requirements by sponsor.

My wife work in the police.

Home office calculated salary as a total of 16,877.69.

Date of application was 17th sept 2019.

So I was supposed to submit payslips from august 2018 to Aug 2019.

The ECO considered payslips from Sept 2018 to sept 2019.

He did not consider the payslip of aug 2018 which was 1899£.

Plus he did not add payslip for feb 2019 from the employer which was also submitted.

Neither he caller sponsor to ask for sept 2019 payslips which was 1867£. Which could have made it to 18,700£ which could have easily met the requirement. They did not bother to call or send an email to ask for sept 2019 payslip. Instead sent the refusal.

I have a right if appeal within 28 days.

Please advise.

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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by CR001 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:22 am

Useful to state the wording of the refusal.

Useful also to state each payslip submitted and what the salary for each one was.

Why did you submit 12 months payslips?

Were bank statements for each month submitted showing each salary credit?
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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:36 am

Here are payslips from last 12 months because my wife worked two jobs.

Salaries from post office limited before tax:

Sept- 2018 ... 1008£

October: 2018: 1440£

Nov-2018: 1399£

Dec 2018: 877.50£

Jan-2019: 1723.50£

feb: 2019: 432.00

Left this employer for 3 months continued in Travelodge, submitted p45.

Joined another post office in june 2019.

June 2019 salary: 1026.00 £

July 2019 : 1354.50 £

Aug 2019: 1867.50 £

Sept 2019: 1831£.

Total from this job: 12,960 £

Second job Travelodge par time receptionist:

Salaries before tax:

Sept 2018 : 494.07 £

October 2018: 432.22 £

Nov 2018 : 421.80 £

Dec 2018: 358.28 £

Jan 2018: 262.31 £

Feb 2018: 440.59 £

March 2019: 438.79 £

April 2019: 1082.52 £

May 2019: two payments, holiday plus hours worked: 910£ and 561.31 £

June 2019: 873.68 £

July 2019: 292.82 £

Aug 2019: 370.58£

Sept 2019 left travelodge

Employed in metropolitan police service on PCSO started october 2019 on annual basic income if 24,632£ and letter of confirmation was also submitted.

Even a 5th grade child can calculate all this. The mistake the ECO made in his calculation. He did not consider aug 2018 month and did not ask for sept 2019 payslip. Also he missed two payslips. One in feb 2019 440.59. from post office and one payment in May from travelodge of 910£.

Total from both employers from sept 2018 to sept 2019 is calculated as 19,943.99 £.

All salary slips plus bank statements highlighting all these salary deposits were submitted.



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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:27 am

Even if the home office considered from septemper 2018 to august 2019. Still i meet the financial requirements.

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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by geoeng » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:35 am

If the ECO genuinely only made a mistake in the calculation, you could try an email complaint to UKVI to see if they will overturn the decision.

However, from what you have posted, it is not at all clear how you intended to meet the financial requirement. Applying under Category B, you are required to demonstrate both that your current salary/income meets the financial requirement and that your gross income in the previous 12 months meets the financial requirement.

From the information provided, it appears that the previous 12 months income meets the financial requirement but it is not clear how you demonstrated your current salary/income meets the financial requirement. Nothing received after the date of application would have been considered. This includes the payslip for September 2019 (if received after the 17th) and the police employment starting in October.

If your wife left Travelodge prior to submitting the application, this income would not have been used to calculate current salary/income. In this case only the most recent Post Office employment would have been considered to meet the current income, which is not enough to meet the financial requirement it would appear. Just my take on the situation, I could be wrong in how I calculated it but that seems consistent with how the ECO calculated the salary.
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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:40 am

ECO considered both employments from post office and travelodge. However he advised that some payslips were missing and some salary deposits are not reflected in the statement which I double checked today also which seems to be an either error by ECO or may be the vfs global islamabad misplaced those documents while scanning because I still have them with me. The missing payslips mentioned in the refusal letter are not actually missing as I submitted them also. What would be the right option for me now? Should I appeal or go for a judicial review? What would be the speedy process.

Now if I submit the payslips from October 2018 to september 2019. The total income would be calculated as of 18,603.22£ as being most recent payslips. The metropolitan job for my wife is started on 21st october so she will not be receiving first salary until 26th nov 2019. However she has the original contract from them. Please advise what should I do. I have appeal right for 80£ without hearing and 140£ with hearing?

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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:44 am

Plus all these incomes are clearly reflecting on my wife’s HMRC gateway account. Should I also submit their screenshots as I thought that home office has access to all these departments but I am sure they do not even bother to check them.

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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by geoeng » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:57 am

If the only reasons for refusal were missing documents that you did in fact submit and still have, you may have some luck with a complaint email or contacting your MP for assistance. Misplacement of documents is not particularly uncommon.

"If you have a complaint about our service or professional conduct, we encourage you to email us at complaints@homeoffice.gov.uk"

As I mentioned already, they will not consider anything (payslips, employment, etc.) dated after the application date so payslips from September 2019 and the new employment won't matter.

I don't know much about appeals so hopefully someone else can give an opinion on that.
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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:05 am

Now let me exactly tell you his calculations from both jobs.

Sept 2018: 1008£ & 494.07£

October 2018: 1440£ and payslips missing for traveldoge which is not missing actually i submitted that.

November 2018: 1399.50£ and 421.80£

December 2018: 877£ and 358£

January 2019: 1724.50£ and 262.31£

February: payslip missing for one employer which is not missing: second employer: 440.59£

March 2019: 483.79£

April 2019: 1082.52£

May 2019: two payments from travelodge: 910£ and 561.31

June 2019: 1026£ and 873.68£

July 2019: 1354.50£ and 292.82£

Aug 2019: 1867.50£

Missed august for travelodge as its not showing on bank statement and hilariously this was the payment on the first page of statement bring most recent and highlighted also.

Part time cleaning job 156£ not considered as no evidence provided and i submitted p60 and confirmation letter plus bank statement for this payment also.

So he calculated 16,877.69

The following payments not added to total income buy all the documents were successfully submitted.



156£

550£

370£

850

If these payments were added it would have been toysl 18,803.69£.

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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by uk7592 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:43 pm

how you did a cleaning job? As a employee or as a self employed person?
If as a employee then why you missed payslip? Confirmation letter or payment in bank does not replace the requirement of payslips.
But if received money without payslip then this job is considered as a self employment income.

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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:15 pm

Only p60 for this cleaning job was issued , but confirmation letter and bank statement was submitted. This company did not issue a payslip
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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:17 pm

However since my wife will be receiving 2000£ per month from metropolitan now. I think it will be best option to wait for couple of months and then reapply with last 12 months payslips including two months salary from metropolitan which will suffice the minimum threshold.

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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by N_a » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:10 pm

Hypn0toz3d wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:17 pm
However since my wife will be receiving 2000£ per month from metropolitan now. I think it will be best option to wait for couple of months and then reapply with last 12 months payslips including two months salary from metropolitan which will suffice the minimum threshold.
Hi,same thing has happened to me, after 20working days my husband went to collect passport and it was a refusal because we did not submit july payslip(which we did) so I appealed.. another waiting game again

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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by seagul » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:14 pm

Hypn0toz3d wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:17 pm
However since my wife will be receiving 2000£ per month from metropolitan now. I think it will be best option to wait for couple of months and then reapply with last 12 months payslips including two months salary from metropolitan which will suffice the minimum threshold.
Your multiple jobs and then unnecessary documents such as P45 & P60 is main reason of causing confusion and various times it has been advised not to use p60 which doesnt show the correct income for immigration purposes. If you are intending to reapply with new job of metropolitan police which i guess will more likely be a salaried job then you even dont need to wait more months if that job is giving at least £18600 a year at the time of application.
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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:23 pm

I submitted metropolitan confirmation letter which states that yearly basic income is 24,624£. My wife already started that job on 21st october 2019. But we are told that if we dont have the employement for 6 months. We need to submit 12 months payslips. So we will need to wait for 1 month as they did not consider august 2018 salary and if that slips is not considered then I will have to wait for one more month so the minimum threshold exceeds 18,600£. So i will need to reapply in January 2020

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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:27 pm

Plus on my refusal letter, they mentioned that health survharge will be refunded. Do we need to contact them to get the refund or it will automatically be refunded back to the original payment method which i usef debit card. Kindly advise.

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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by seagul » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:41 pm

Hypn0toz3d wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:23 pm
I submitted metropolitan confirmation letter which states that yearly basic income is 24,624£. My wife already started that job on 21st october 2019.
Had you submitted that in previous application which was submitted before the actual commencement of your job. If yes then it wont be considered because it wasnt yet started when you submitted the application.
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But we are told that if we dont have the employement for 6 months. We need to submit 12 months payslips.
Yes 12 months of previous payslips to meet the 2nd part of category B but to meet the first part of category B your income should be at least £18600 at the time of application (if salaried) which in your situation is the case.
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they did not consider august 2018 salary and if that slips is not considered
It was not considered because it belongs to 13th months because the period of Aug2018-Aug2019 covers 13 months instead 12 months. Correct period in your case was September 2018- August 2019.
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Plus on my refusal letter, they mentioned that health survharge will be refunded. Do we need to contact them to get the refund or it will automatically be refunded back to the original payment method which i usef debit card. Kindly advise.
yes automatically the refund will be credited to same payment method.
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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:08 pm

Thank you for the guidance. I understand that we made an error and i will reapply in January 2020 when two salary deposits from MPS are submitted that will suffice the minimum threshold of last 12 months from january 2019 to december 2019.

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Re: Spouse visa refusal biggest blunder by ECO

Post by Hypn0toz3d » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:39 pm

Trying to submit an appeal online. I am getting this error on step 3 of appeal form. Where its asking the date of application. I am putting 17th sept 2019. But it gives this error again n again.

Your information is not saved please try again later. This error was not coming two weeks ago but i am still within 28 days period of my appeal from refusal date.


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