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Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by thisisus » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:52 pm

Hello,
I am a British citizen and got married in Pakistan in October 2018
My husband has bad immigration history where he overstayed since 2010, claimed aslyum and was in detention centre, wrongly advised by lawyer to say he is in a same sex relationship to remain in the UK. This was refused. He then voluntary went back to Pakistan on his own expense in July 2018. He was in a detention centre since January 2018 till July 2018
I went to Pakistan in October and we both got married and i came back to the UK and I applied for his visa in December 2018. I am still waiting to hear back.
Will all of this affect his visa decision.
Please help me

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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by Jav9289 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:06 pm

thisisus wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:52 pm
Hello,
I am a British citizen and got married in Pakistan in October 2018
My husband has bad immigration history where he overstayed since 2010, claimed aslyum and was in detention centre, wrongly advised by lawyer to say he is in a same sex relationship to remain in the UK. This was refused. He then voluntary went back to Pakistan on his own expense in July 2018. He was in a detention centre since January 2018 till July 2018
I went to Pakistan in October and we both got married and i came back to the UK and I applied for his visa in December 2018. I am still waiting to hear back.
Will all of this affect his visa decision.
Please help me
Unfortunately yes. HO will look at everything when making a decision and this includes the applicants previous history. I hope you have not tried this information in yout application
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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by Jav9289 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:09 pm

Also if you applied non-priority in December, isnt the 60 working days up yet? Have you not contacted HO for an update?
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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by thisisus » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:10 pm

Even if he left voluntarily? and even if I meet all the requirements?

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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by CR001 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:11 pm

claimed aslyum and was in detention centre, wrongly advised by lawyer to say he is in a same sex relationship to remain in the UK. This was refused.
This will likely cast doubt on your 'genuine relationship' aspect of the application if he has previously claimed to be in a same sex relationship in an application to HO. So yes, HO will go through his full history they have on him very carefully and you can likely expect a decision to take longer than usual.
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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by thisisus » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:12 pm

Yes the passport should arrive this week In Shaa Allah, but I am so nervous and scared, and just needed some kind of reassurance

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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by Jav9289 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:23 pm

Jav9289 wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:06 pm
thisisus wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:52 pm
Hello,
I am a British citizen and got married in Pakistan in October 2018
My husband has bad immigration history where he overstayed since 2010, claimed aslyum and was in detention centre, wrongly advised by lawyer to say he is in a same sex relationship to remain in the UK. This was refused. He then voluntary went back to Pakistan on his own expense in July 2018. He was in a detention centre since January 2018 till July 2018
I went to Pakistan in October and we both got married and i came back to the UK and I applied for his visa in December 2018. I am still waiting to hear back.
Will all of this affect his visa decision.
Please help me
Unfortunately yes. HO will look at everything when making a decision and this includes the applicants previous history. I hope you have not tried this information in yout application
thisisus wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:12 pm

Yes the passport should arrive this week In Shaa Allah, but I am so nervous and scared, and just needed some kind of reassurance
What i meant to say is that i hope you have not tried to hide this information. Was it mentioned in your application?

And do you mean the 60 working days are up this week?
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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by thisisus » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:25 pm

yes the 60 days is up this week.
i just recieved my documents back today.
And no we did not hide anything

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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by Jav9289 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:34 pm

thisisus wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:25 pm
yes the 60 days is up this week.
i just recieved my documents back today.
And no we did not hide anything
You mean your application documents? You just got these back today?
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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by thisisus » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:07 pm

Yes I received them today

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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by Casa » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:03 pm

Regrettably, if the Case Worker accepts that your relationship is genuine, the previous statement (made in order to claim asylum) may well now be considered as false. This would be considered as deception and the Spouse visa application stands to be refused under 320(11) of the Immigration Rules.

Taking the 'dodgy' advice from the legal advisor, may sadly have cost you dearly. :idea:
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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by Jav9289 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:53 pm

Casa wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:03 pm
Regrettably, if the Case Worker accepts that your relationship is genuine, the previous statement (made in order to claim asylum) may well now be considered as false. This would be considered as deception and the Spouse visa application stands to be refused under 320(11) of the Immigration Rules.

Taking the 'dodgy' advice from the legal advisor, may sadly have cost you dearly. :idea:
So why have they kept her documents for so long?
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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by Casa » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:33 pm

Jav9289 wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:53 pm
Casa wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:03 pm
Regrettably, if the Case Worker accepts that your relationship is genuine, the previous statement (made in order to claim asylum) may well now be considered as false. This would be considered as deception and the Spouse visa application stands to be refused under 320(11) of the Immigration Rules.

Taking the 'dodgy' advice from the legal advisor, may sadly have cost you dearly. :idea:
So why have they kept her documents for so long?
Possibly to make further checks on the applicant's immigration history. :idea:
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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by thisisus » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:37 pm

But I thought the past is forgiven when applying as a spouse

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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by seagul » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:53 pm

HO will love to find weak points to refuse the application and more likely declaring same sex person in past would affect the application. HO don't care who advised what and its always the applicant who is responsible for any false claim.
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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by wahi66 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:59 am

just a random thought what if the person declared himself as a bisexual?? does this also put a doubt on his character?? a person can be straight and then gay and then simply preferred to be both. there are many men and women who bisexual.

i think if this sexual preference would have been added to his application as cover letter then might have cleared all doubts on his previous claim as he also voluntarily gone back to his country.

Note: who knows if the case worker might have taken the case by this thought :idea:

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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by seagul » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:54 am

wahi66 wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:59 am
just a random thought what if the person declared himself as a bisexual??
Giving different information regarding it in previous/current application leads to deception because HO welcome to get be updated with any change to gender orientation:

https://www.gov.uk/change-circumstances-visa-brp
Report all other changes

You must report all other changes to your circumstances. How you do this depends on what’s changed.

Changes to your name or personal details

You must apply for a new BRP straight away if any of these things change:
•name, for example if you’ve got married
•nationality
•facial appearance
•date of birth, for example if it was wrong
•gender
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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by wahi66 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:39 am

seagul wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:54 am
wahi66 wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:59 am
just a random thought what if the person declared himself as a bisexual??
Giving different information regarding it in previous/current application leads to deception because HO welcome to get be updated with any change to gender orientation:

https://www.gov.uk/change-circumstances-visa-brp
Report all other changes

You must report all other changes to your circumstances. How you do this depends on what’s changed.

Changes to your name or personal details

You must apply for a new BRP straight away if any of these things change:
•name, for example if you’ve got married
•nationality
•facial appearance
•date of birth, for example if it was wrong
•gender

its not GENDER rather sexual preference and agree the above apply to the people who currently holding visa/BRP. I am talking about someone outside the UK as appears to be in this case where a person's circumstances have been changed i.e sexual preferences and now he is applying with new information and changed circumstances?

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Re: Spouse Visa with Bad immigration history

Post by seagul » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:57 pm

wahi66 wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:39 am
seagul wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:54 am
wahi66 wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:59 am
just a random thought what if the person declared himself as a bisexual??
Giving different information regarding it in previous/current application leads to deception because HO welcome to get be updated with any change to gender orientation:

https://www.gov.uk/change-circumstances-visa-brp
Report all other changes

You must report all other changes to your circumstances. How you do this depends on what’s changed.

Changes to your name or personal details

You must apply for a new BRP straight away if any of these things change:
•name, for example if you’ve got married
•nationality
•facial appearance
•date of birth, for example if it was wrong
•gender

I am talking about someone outside the UK as appears to be in this case where a person's circumstances have been changed i.e sexual preferences and now he is applying with new information and changed circumstances?
In that scenario the things might even be further complicated because HO will want to see the evidences of all relationships history and HO will only recognize one relationship/marriage with one person and for doing that the person should be free from his/her/its previous relationship/marriage (traceable evidences will be needed).
The opinion expressed as above is neither a professional advice nor contesting/competing to other member's opinion/advice.

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