10 years long residence applications

terriblefish wrote:

'i think this is too long winded'

Approx. half a page of letter looks too long winded to you?


terriblefish further wrote:

'Questions asked buried in too many words'?

Oh really....Are you serious?


terriblefish then wrote:

'Think about if you were working there and getting thousands of emails a day and seeing a large wordy email, one would probably skim read it if not just stick an automated reply'.

And you think a one line (or there about) e-mail as opposed to, what you think of as 'large wordy' (whatever that means) letter of half a page, would be taken more seriously?

Then terriblefish wrote:

'Its good to be clear and precise'

So, according to you, extreme brevity (irrespective of whether such an e-mail carries any real substance or not) automatically translates to being 'clear and precise' (as opposed to a half a page letter which according to you is 'large wordy')? BTW, I am really curious, what exactly does the expression 'large wordy' mean?


terriblefish finally wrote@

'and not too emotional'.

Mr 'unemotional dude', from what angle did the letter seem too emotional to you? Now, now, terriblefish....go on....do tell us....don't be shy....you are amongst friends....

If I may....Letter format to MPs etc

Mr …or Ms (as the case may be)
- Address -

Subject: ‘10 years continuous legal stay’ Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) applications

Dear Mr or Ms…..

I write this letter to draw your attention to the long wait most people have to endure who, at present, apply under '10 years continuous legal stay in UK' indefinite leave to remain category.

Same day premium service facility for people applying under '10 year continuous legal stay in the UK' ILR was withdrawn from 1st Jan. 2010. Surprisingly, a policy which still allows some other categories applying for ILR the facility to apply under the same day premium service can, at best, be described as slightly discriminatory policy in nature as some people applying in ILR category seem to be 'more equal than the others'....

Furthermore, accordingly on UKBA website waiting time for ILR applications for long stay applications is as follows:

• UKBA decides 95% of postal applications within six months.

Now with just the postal service available for people applying under 10 year ILR, one would have thought certain steps would be put in place to reduce the time frame for a decision from an average of six months to perhaps less than three months in duration.

Unfortunately, no efforts seem to have been made from 1st Jan 2010 to speed up decision making process for people applying under 10 year continuous legal stay ILR by post and now with withdrawal of same day premium service for 10 year ILR and everyone been forced to apply by post, there is every possibility that the decision taking time by UKBA for 10 year ILR may get even lengthier with the due passage of time.

Most people applying under 10 year ILR have stayed legally in UK during their entire duration in the UK and may have have immensely contributed to the UK society in many different ways during their stay in the UK.

Is it really fair to put the lives of all these people on hold for months on end by taking ages to decide their ILR applications? Surely they are not children of a lesser God to be treated in such an inhumane manner by the Govt. and furthermore they are made to undergo so much of stress and anxiety during their entire ILR application process.

I would be grateful if Government relooks at this entire issue and certain steps perhaps put in place that brings down the time taken from the present (for 95% of cases) six months to a new directive ensuring all cases of 10 year continuous legal stay being decided by UKBA within three months of an ILR application.

Thanks and Regards,

aman5 wrote:terriblefish wrote:

'i think this is too long winded'

Approx. half a page of letter looks too long winded to you?


terriblefish further wrote:

'Questions asked buried in too many words'?

Oh really....Are you serious?


terriblefish then wrote:

'Think about if you were working there and getting thousands of emails a day and seeing a large wordy email, one would probably skim read it if not just stick an automated reply'.

And you think a one line (or there about) e-mail as opposed to, what you think of as 'large wordy' (whatever that means) letter of half a page, would be taken more seriously?

Then terriblefish wrote:

'Its good to be clear and precise'

So, according to you, extreme brevity (irrespective of whether such an e-mail carries any real substance or not) automatically translates to being 'clear and precise' (as opposed to a half a page letter which according to you is 'large wordy')? BTW, I am really curious, what exactly does the expression 'large wordy' mean?


terriblefish finally wrote@

'and not too emotional'.

Mr 'unemotional dude', from what angle did the letter seem too emotional to you? Now, now, terriblefish....go on....do tell us....don't be shy....you are amongst friends....

aman5, please dont be angered by what I wrote. I was merely passing on knowledge which have gained from writing to the HO in the past. you need not take on board anything i have said, i just put it out there for your consideration, you are ofcourse entitled to your own opinion.

Also i thought your letter was addressed to the HO, if however your letter is meant be for the MPs (which I only deduced from your post above), then being verbose is indeed the right thing to do. If the letter is meant for the HO, i stand by my original points.

Please accept my apoligies for any hurt caused.

I rang UKBA on Friday and again a robot answered as usual. After checking the computer for while she said “your application is not being completedâ€

as we all should write and join petition to PM Gordon Brown, Minister of State (Borders and Immigration), Home of Secretary, UKBA, freedom of information, MP etc to draw attention about we are being treated unfairly and discriminated!

has anyone received anything recently from UKBA ?

coolboyuk wrote:has anyone received anything recently from UKBA ?

I have my sent on 5 August last year. It is now more than 7 months and still hear nothing from home office.

I have written them two letters requesting progress of my application, and there is no reply or what so ever at all from them.

Hi Sheng,

good to seen that you are joining this thread. you were on the list of waiting list. i am on second.

not hear anything at all. wrote few letters with no reply at all. in the process of writing to home of secretary, minister of border and immigration. MP , PM gordon as well........

Hi Sheng

could I ask your 10 years stay in uk , all the way through students status? or mixure of student and work permit etc


I know boonbin's category.

If let's say 150 applicants who have applied under '10 years continuous legal stay' ILR can come together and pool in money to form a common fund, a law firm, perhaps, could even be approached to challenge it in Court....as HO allowing only certain categories under ILR to apply for same day premium service while disallowing people applying under '10 years continuous legal stay' the same day premium service (and forcing them to apply only by post and then asking them to wait for months on end) may be discriminatory.

aman5 wrote:If 150 applicants can come together and let's say pool in £10 per person (thus total of £1500), a law firm, perhaps, could be approached to challenge it in Court....as HO allowing only certain categories under ILR to apply for same day premium service while disallowing people applying under '10 years continuous legal stay' the same day premium service (and forcing them to apply only by post) may be discriminatory.

Hi aman5, how we approach it? to get hold of 150 applicants and willing to participate it, kinda hard!!

aman5 wrote:If 150 applicants can come together and let's say pool in £10 per person (thus total of £1500), a law firm, perhaps, could be approached to challenge it in Court....as HO allowing only certain categories under ILR to apply for same day premium service while disallowing people applying under '10 years continuous legal stay' the same day premium service (and forcing them to apply only by post) may be discriminatory.

Groan......

The simple reason is 10 year legal stay is a tough application and cannot be dealt with by the tick-boxers at the the PEO, where is the discrimination?

Plus £1500 would only pay the lease for a month on a decent barristers Aston....

Boonbin

Difficult task but not impossible as we have an example of people under HSMP in the past coming together under a common platform to challenge the then directive and finally winning the case in Court(s).

Getting 150 together would mean interacting with members from some other immigration forums as well.... who may (like some members on this forum) be waiting for months on end for a decision from the HO.

Wanderer wrote:

aman5 wrote:If 150 applicants can come together and let's say pool in £10 per person (thus total of £1500), a law firm, perhaps, could be approached to challenge it in Court....as HO allowing only certain categories under ILR to apply for same day premium service while disallowing people applying under '10 years continuous legal stay' the same day premium service (and forcing them to apply only by post) may be discriminatory.

Groan......

The simple reason is 10 year legal stay is a tough application and cannot be dealt with by the tick-boxers at the the PEO, where is the discrimination?

Plus £1500 would only pay the lease for a month on a decent barristers Aston....

Since are you Guru, can you suggest what should we do? among of us have wait over 6 months or more.

[quote]The simple reason is 10 year legal stay is a tough
application[quote]

Finally it all boils down to a matter of perspective, isn't it?

Not all applications in other categories falling under ILR may be straight forward applications and dealt with the tick boxers at the PEO and not all applications under 10 year ILR category be automatically deemed as 'tough'....and unless such an assertion can be backed by past statistical proof, jury would be still out on this one....thus there is no simple reason that all 10 year legal stay application are 'tough applications'

'Where is the discrimination' you ask....Unless HO gives proof beyond a reasonable doubt for their denying 10 year ILR same day premium service....they cannot allow certain categories under ILR to avail of same day premium service while denying this facility to others....

Boonbin wrote:

'Since are you Guru, can you suggest what should we do'?

Boonbin, I am no Guru but we all are sailing in the same boat as far as this problem is concerned....so any discussion of a solution (to this problem) would be, at best, a joint effort....

aman5 wrote:Boonbin wrote:

'Since are you Guru, can you suggest what should we do'?

Boonbin, I am no Guru but we all are sailing in the same boat as far as this problem is concerned....so any discussion of a solution (to this problem) would be, at best, a joint effort....

I meant to Wanderer replied. i truly understand, why is why i created this thread to sharing and discussion, hope help each other for our applications. any suggest or ideas, please do not hesitate to comment. we all cannot sit and wait....might end up return next year.

has anyone been refused after a long time like this ?

Boonbin

Agree with you....let me also make a passing reference to userid Wanderer's post on this thread....there is a saying in the army 'rather then creating problems, try to offer solutions'....what this person is doing is indulging in:

1. Shoot and scoot policy.

2. Perhaps even trying to discourage a positive, constructive dialogue on this thread on this issue by his negative, discouraging remarks.

Please also check his 'smart alec' remark to my post on Article 8 on General Immigration forum.... let's all just ignore such posts and concentrate, instead, in finding a solution to this ongoing problem....

aman5 wrote:Boonbin

Agree with you....let me also make a passing reference to userid Wanderer's post on this thread....there is a saying in the army 'rather then creating problems, try to offer solutions'....what this person is doing is indulging in:

1. Shoot and scoot policy.

2. Perhaps even trying to discourage a positive, constructive dialogue on this thread on this issue by his negative, discouraging remarks.

Please also check his 'smart alec' remark to my post on Article 8 on General Immigration forum.... let's all just ignore such posts and concentrate, instead, in finding a solution to this ongoing problem....

I'm preparing to make an application under this category later this year.

I am concerned that they are taking such a long time but I also understand why they would.

Examining one's immigration history for the past 10 years + is a difficult thing to do. You'll need checks and references from other governmental agencies and will need to verify details.

I agree that it shouldn't be taking this long and perhaps around 2 to 3 months max.

Making the 10 year application is a bit like making an asylum application because each case is unique and there are no standard requirements.

I think what we need is to ask the UKBA to give us a timeline of the process that they make to consider an application. This way we can see who is holding up our application and therefore preventing it from being processed further.

Making the 10 year application is a bit like making an asylum application because each case is unique and there are no standard requirements.

Well, yes and no….comparing 10 year ILR with asylum applications is a bit like comparing ‘apples and oranges’….in fact a few pages back we were discussing why 10 year ILR shouldn’t be clubbed with asylum application at HO....

And If I may….may I also point out ‘one size fits all’ may not exactly be true even with ILR applications falling under any other category….each case being unique may be true for any category as well....and if I could also point out that caseworkers ‘Instructions manual’ pertaining to ILR do contain some standard guidelines when deciding 10 year ILR applications.

Does anyone know of any other application types changed to postal only?

There is a possibility that they have changed 10-year ILR to postal only as this method of ILR is soon to be abolished (i think its still on the path to be abolished). They basically could be preparing the HO for the new system, and that could be causing a delay to all our applications too.

Thank God majority people posting on this thread are genuine posts so occasionally when concerted effort is made by a handful few who try to derail the thread by posting subtle messages which on the surface may look perfectly harmless....but on closer inspection, it is clear they are acting as a spokesperson of UKBA not only defending UKBA's decisions in their posts but at the same time taking subtle pot shots at 10 year ILR applicants in their posts....

Look at specifically 2 posts of today afternoon posted on this thread and it would be clear what was the real agenda of these mischievous posts (and to make it clear userid 'terriblefish' post was not one of them)....

Unless these spokesperson of UKBA think people on this thread are so gullible as they would not be able to see through their mischievous posts, let me state that such mischievous posts (which are made to derail the thread by either trying to deviate attention from the thread's core topic or their efforts to subtly try to defend UKBA in their posts), may I suggest these so called Gurus acting in cohesion try their Psy. Op. on some other place.