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Post by mjalam143 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:15 am

Hi it's really urgent I apply ilr in 2012 dec, I got refusal letter and they give me appeal right they refused me bcz I got gap is more then 28 days.
Now plz anyone suggest me how can I win the appeal plz anyone help me.

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Post by huqqapani » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:25 am

mjalam143 wrote:Hi it's really urgent I apply ilr in 2012 dec, I got refusal letter and they give me appeal right they refused me bcz I got gap is more then 28 days.
Now plz anyone suggest me how can I win the appeal plz anyone help me.
please give more details about the gap in question.

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Post by lucky13 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:39 am

mjalam143 wrote:Hi it's really urgent I apply ilr in 2012 dec, I got refusal letter and they give me appeal right they refused me bcz I got gap is more then 28 days.
Now plz anyone suggest me how can I win the appeal plz anyone help me.

I am so sorry to hear this. can you please explain your “Gap” in more details?

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Post by mjalam143 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:45 am

Ho refused me in 2009 student visa and give me appeal right but I lost on appeal and my solicitor apply higher court for consideration but nothing happen after 2 months of refused appeal I put another fresh application and they gave me student visa.after passing my 10 years I apply for ilr they refused me bcz it's out of time application in 2009 and the gap is more then 28 days so they refused me and give appeal right,now it's there any hope to win appeal and how to do plz help me I m really shock after passing 10 years what she'll I do! Plz help me give me suggestion. Is their any case any body knows

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Post by jony_dhaka » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:33 am

Page 17:
Gap(s) in lawful residence
You may grant the application if an applicant:
 has short gaps in lawful residence through making previous applications out of time by no more than 28 calendar days, and
 meets all the other requirements for lawful residence.

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Example 1
An applicant has a single gap in their lawful residence due to submitting an application seventeen days out of time. All other applications have been submitted in time, throughout the 10 years period.
Question :Would you grant the application in this case?
Answer: Grant the application as the rules allow for a period of overstaying of 28 days or less.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary

huqqapani wrote:Following the recent refusals based on continuous stays and breaks in it, I am increasingly concerned about my ILR (LR) application which is currently with UKBA (submitted 26/7/13).

I had a work permit which was valid till 19/12/12. I submitted FLR (O) application on 17/12/12. I then varied the above application to Tier 2 on 16/2/13.

Has the continuous leave been broken? Should I be concerned l or not?

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Post by jony_dhaka » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:20 am

This is the continuous 4th refusal in this forum in this month because of gap time . As i said before ''Home Office take gap time very seriously '' Anyway..

1.Why your student visa was refused 2009? do you have any kind of record that you appeal again ?
2.Do you have any kind of record that your solicitor applied higher court for consideration in that 2 month?
3.Is there any other way you can prove that you was in uk in that 2 month gap time ?
Page 18:
Example 3
An applicant has a single gap in their lawful residence due to submitting an application 34 days out of time. The applicant has provided a letter from their consultant stating they were hospitalised during this period.
Question: Would you be right to use discretion in this case?
Answer Yes. Even though the application was more than 28 days out of time,

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the applicant has proved there were exceptional reasons for the late
application and has tried to maintain lawful residence throughout the
rest of the 10 year period. You must confirm this with your senior
executive office (SEO) senior caseworker.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary
mjalam143 wrote:Ho refused me in 2009 student visa and give me appeal right but I lost on appeal and my solicitor apply higher court for consideration but nothing happen after 2 months of refused appeal I put another fresh application and they gave me student visa.after passing my 10 years I apply for ilr they refused me bcz it's out of time application in 2009 and the gap is more then 28 days so they refused me and give appeal right,now it's there any hope to win appeal and how to do plz help me I m really shock after passing 10 years what she'll I do! Plz help me give me suggestion. Is their any case any body knows

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Post by asjid73 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:48 am

huqqapani wrote:Following the recent refusals based on continuous stays and breaks in it, I am increasingly concerned about my ILR (LR) application which is currently with UKBA (submitted 26/7/13).

I had a work permit which was valid till 19/12/12. I submitted FLR (O) application on 17/12/12. I then varied the above application to Tier 2 on 16/2/13.

Has the continuous leave been broken? Should I be concerned l or not?

:D you don't need to be worry your continuous leave has not been broken because your application was made in time which triggers 3C leave and extend your previous leave till ukba reach on a decision. if you varied your application before ukba made any decision on your initial application that is fine your continuous leave has been maintained.

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Re: Dependant of ILR through the long residence

Post by Chammi » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:55 am

Damanisshallo wrote:
Chammi wrote:Hi,
I have couple of queries regarding my dependant if I apply ILR through the long residence route. Currently I'm on my extended Tier 1 General which is due to expire on 20th May 2015 and I'm completing my 10 years on 10th October 2013. My wife is here since August 2011 on my Tier 1 dependant visa and I understand she can not apply ILR at the time I apply. My question is will she be able to apply ILR once I get my visa done. If not how long does she has to wait to qualify to apply ILR?
Thanks in Advance
At some instances this is possible. Read this post to see how your wife can try applying for ILR. Try to book an appointment at Birmingham, as I believe this is the only PEO where applicants are asked to pay the fee after their case is dealt. (Again, this is just a word of mouth)
thanks Damanisshallo for your advice... please PM me if you know any solicitor who can do this

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ILR vs Tier 2

Post by meritocrat » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:39 pm

Guys,

I need an advice. I applied for ILR about 4 months ago and still waiting. My Tier 2 visa will expire at the end of September 13 and my employer wants to extend my visa asap. So I am faced with two choices:

1) Cancel my ILR (and loose fees, etc ) and apply for Tier 2 before the end of Sep 13. Then re-apply for ILR (which circa £2k loss);

2) Wait for my ILR outcome - Obviously, my employer doesn't mind me working while I wait for the outcome. The thing is if I get a rejection after Sep 13, that means I will not have a valid visa and have to leave the UK immediately. Or could I still get a chance to apply for Tier 2 even if my ILR was rejected & I don't have a valid visa at the time of my Tier 2 application?

What would you recommend?

Thanks a lot in advance,

M

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ILR is under process

Post by amjadleeds » Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:30 pm

Hope you are keeping well. My case is under consideration from Oct 2012. I came in uk 2002 and I have completed 10 year april 2012 , My solicitor apply in Oct 2012, In my case HO made case against me working hour allegation, but it was took back in 2007, case start 2005 in between March 2006 my leave expired , my solicitor apply 10 days late but they not gave me leave due to my case in court plus out of time application. But 2007 Home office took case back during JR, and high court letter indicate re instead decision, by technically under 3d my leave was extend, but I not suppose to apply during my case 2006 for extension. My solicitor is confident because it was mistake of Home office either to apply late leave to remain plus made moving direction. My kids here with me 9 years my two kids died in this country, own house, what are chances in my case,
Your views and experience please share with me.
Your prayers will be assets for me.
Regards
Amjad

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Re: ILR vs Tier 2

Post by nadeem toheed » Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:53 pm

meritocrat wrote:Guys,

I need an advice. I applied for ILR about 4 months ago and still waiting. My Tier 2 visa will expire at the end of September 13 and my employer wants to extend my visa asap. So I am faced with two choices:

1) Cancel my ILR (and loose fees, etc ) and apply for Tier 2 before the end of Sep 13. Then re-apply for ILR (which circa £2k loss);

2) Wait for my ILR outcome - Obviously, my employer doesn't mind me working while I wait for the outcome. The thing is if I get a rejection after Sep 13, that means I will not have a valid visa and have to leave the UK immediately. Or could I still get a chance to apply for Tier 2 even if my ILR was rejected & I don't have a valid visa at the time of my Tier 2 application?

What would you recommend?

Thanks a lot in advance,

M
Hi meritocrat,
The first thing i want to know, Why you are doubtful in your application if something you feel can goes wrong then if i would in your place than take back my application and apply for Tier 2 (if you are 100% positive of Tier 2 outcomes) after getting visa than reapply for ILR,
But these are my views , lets have a advice from senior members and take a decision
Best of Luck for your Future
Nadeem

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Post by mjalam143 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:55 am

Plz suggest me I really need help, is there any hope or any merit on my case

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Post by johnsonbaby » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:10 am

Hi. Every one.I need help urgently please!
My student visa have cancelled by college after I sent set(lr) to home office! Due to I don't have progression on my studying.
Now, I am waiting the decision on ten year route.
My question is
Will I go trouble in my ten year application?

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Post by vinny » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:21 am

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Child born in UK

Post by wowboy » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:05 am

Dear Damanisshallo, Sanjuu9 and Senior members,

Many thanks for your previous response.

Just quick query regarding Child born in UK:

I noticed child born in UK topics mostly covered/referred to register to BC.

My Question is, what if new born child and have urgent travel? I'm sure it will be very interesting to plenty forum users.

The reason I ask is that we don't have visa for my second UK born child (4 months) and initially was planning to get myself ILR and wife/kids FLR then ILR for them.
But now I'm considering to travel with my family for 1 month, and planning to apply before returning back to UK for my 2nd child at British Embassy Tier 1 Dependant (i'm currently on Tier 1general) and then when we come back to UK I'll apply ILR then FLR for Dependants.

Will my 2nd child have to satisfy new 5 years rule or will she get ILR straight away since she was born in UK.

Another question: Is registering UK born children to BC the only option? Can i get them just ILR because I'm planning to get my country Passport for them then few years later British passport as well.(my country doesn't allow dual citizenship at the moment but will be acceptable in 2 years) hence I wanted them to have my country Passport.

I hope i was able to explain situation , please do ask me more info if u need clarification.

And at the end, PLEASE PLEASE could you PM me as many solicitors who have been successful with above.

Kindest regards.

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Post by saanju9 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:49 am

r4rashed wrote:
faismala wrote:
r4rashed wrote:Hello everyone!
I know it has been asked many times but I need to know one more time please. As I am about to apply ILR on the basis of 10 years LR, my wife and children's visa will expire at the time of application as would be mine. They all are on teir 4 dependents since 2005. I know I must send FLR M with cover letter. Just wanted to know whether I would need to need financial requirements or not and can I apply SET M after they granted FLR M right away or would need to wait 5 years. If old rule apply on my dependents, what reference from rules should I quote to caseworker?
Moreover, what English language requirement my wife needs if any?
I would really appreciate any help, please and thanks in advance.


Try applying indefinite straight away in person after getting ur wife flr(m) because she has already spent more than 5 years . I did a mistake by waiting 2 years(old rule) but I know many of my friends has done it straight away and they got it.
Thank you @faismamla, appreciate your response and help.
Faismamla: Tier 4 (student) dependents cannot apply for ILR straight away... they need to wait 2 years after the FLR(M)... your friends situation might be different

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Post by jony_dhaka » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:53 am

Student visa was not cancelled by college , they reported you to ukba .
In your 10 year residency you was legally in uk . If ukba cancel your student visa after this 10 year period i don't think it doesn't matter.you will get ILR . (I am not sure about this . I will make more inquiry ) Lets see what '' Damanisshallo'' and senior member have to say about it .

Did you get student visa cancelled letter from your college or UKBA ?
Did you college reported you because of absences or you did not attend any exam ?
What is the name of your college ?
johnsonbaby wrote:Hi. Every one.I need help urgently please!
My student visa have cancelled by college after I sent set(lr) to home office! Due to I don't have progression on my studying.
Now, I am waiting the decision on ten year route.
My question is
Will I go trouble in my ten year application?

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Post by johnsonbaby » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:06 am

Thanks jony
Yes. My college reported to ukba. But I haven't received any letter from ukba.
Reason for reporting is I fail on exam and College is located on london.
I really worry I will get refuse on ilr.
Help. Please!
jony_dhaka wrote:Student visa was not cancelled by college , they reported you to ukba .
In your 10 year residency you was legally in uk . If ukba cancel your student visa after this 10 year period i don't think it doesn't matter.you will get ILR . (I am not sure about this . I will make more inquiry ) Lets see what '' Damanisshallo'' and senior member have to say about it .

Did you get student visa cancelled letter from your college or UKBA ?
Did you college reported you because of absences or you did not attend any exam ?
What is the name of your college ?
johnsonbaby wrote:Hi. Every one.I need help urgently please!
My student visa have cancelled by college after I sent set(lr) to home office! Due to I don't have progression on my studying.
Now, I am waiting the decision on ten year route.
My question is
Will I go trouble in my ten year application?

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Post by jony_dhaka » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:32 am

How do you know for sure that your college reported you ?
Did you receive any latter or mail from college ?

If you fail the exam you always have a chance to retake .
I think at the moment best thing you should do is go to your college as soon as possible and meet the head of college department . Explain him/her your situation. Tell them that you have applied for ILR and you will retake exam . Ask them if they can withdraw the report against you .Pay the money if necessary to book the exam again .

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 059AAAnGG9
johnsonbaby wrote:Thanks jony
Yes. My college reported to ukba. But I haven't received any letter from ukba.
Reason for reporting is I fail on exam and College is located on london.
I really worry I will get refuse on ilr.
Help. Please!
jony_dhaka wrote:Student visa was not cancelled by college , they reported you to ukba .
In your 10 year residency you was legally in uk . If ukba cancel your student visa after this 10 year period i don't think it doesn't matter.you will get ILR . (I am not sure about this . I will make more inquiry ) Lets see what '' Damanisshallo'' and senior member have to say about it .

Did you get student visa cancelled letter from your college or UKBA ?
Did you college reported you because of absences or you did not attend any exam ?
What is the name of your college ?
johnsonbaby wrote:Hi. Every one.I need help urgently please!
My student visa have cancelled by college after I sent set(lr) to home office! Due to I don't have progression on my studying.
Now, I am waiting the decision on ten year route.
My question is
Will I go trouble in my ten year application?
Last edited by jony_dhaka on Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:53 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Post by Damanisshallo » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:06 am

johnsonbaby wrote:Hi. Every one.I need help urgently please! My student visa have cancelled by college after I sent set(lr) to home office! Due to I don't have progression on my studying. Now, I am waiting the decision on ten year route. My question is Will I go trouble in my ten year application?
It'd be insane to predict how UKBA would deal with this. It depends on what your college has sent to them? You'd be the best one to answer your questions.

For instance, if they reported that you've stopped attending from a certain date (which is after your ILR Application) then you should be fine as you were fine until Application date. However, if they've reported about your attendance (Which I suspect they haven't as UKBA would pester them why did they took so long to report) then it could go either ways.

We've seen cases where UKBA have rejected ILR on revealing that a PSW Visa issued in the past was a false representation or deception.

Please look for a similar case elsewhere lately.
General Grounds of Refusal @ Page 8 wrote:When an applicant has used deception either in their current or previous application, for example, made a false representation, submitted false documents or information or not disclosed material facts, you:
 must refuse their application under paragraph 322(1A) (when deception has been used in a current application), or
 should refuse their application under paragraph 322(2) (when deception was used in a previous application).

You should refuse leave to remain for these reasons, where there is satisfactory evidence to show that the applicant or their appointed representative has deliberately provided representations or documents which they know to be false. You should also refuse leave to remain if a previous use of deception was unsuccessful. The Immigration Rules treat the successful and unsuccessful use of deception equally.
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Post by ZEBRA » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:32 pm

Damanisshallo wrote:
johnsonbaby wrote:Hi. Every one.I need help urgently please! My student visa have cancelled by college after I sent set(lr) to home office! Due to I don't have progression on my studying. Now, I am waiting the decision on ten year route. My question is Will I go trouble in my ten year application?
It'd be insane to predict how UKBA would deal with this. It depends on what your college has sent to them? You'd be the best one to answer your questions.

For instance, if they reported that you've stopped attending from a certain date (which is after your ILR Application) then you should be fine as you were fine until Application date. However, if they've reported about your attendance (Which I suspect they haven't as UKBA would pester them why did they took so long to report) then it could go either ways.

We've seen cases where UKBA have rejected ILR on revealing that a PSW Visa issued in the past was a false representation or deception.

Please look for a similar case elsewhere lately.
General Grounds of Refusal @ Page 8 wrote:When an applicant has used deception either in their current or previous application, for example, made a false representation, submitted false documents or information or not disclosed material facts, you:
 must refuse their application under paragraph 322(1A) (when deception has been used in a current application), or
 should refuse their application under paragraph 322(2) (when deception was used in a previous application).

You should refuse leave to remain for these reasons, where there is satisfactory evidence to show that the applicant or their appointed representative has deliberately provided representations or documents which they know to be false. You should also refuse leave to remain if a previous use of deception was unsuccessful. The Immigration Rules treat the successful and unsuccessful use of deception equally.

yes, Damanisshallo is right.

If the appicant was legal till on the date of application, then legaly he should get ILR.
It would be great if we can get any solid rule/policy where we can be sure of it.

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Post by Damanisshallo » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:51 pm

members wrote:Urgent Help Needed!!

A friend of mine applied for Tier 4 visa and got refused yesterday with right to appeal. He sent his appeal yesterday by fax and ask for a paper based appeal; in other words, he did not chose oral hearing.

He is going to finish his 10 year on 6 October 2013. So he does not have too long for that 10 year to finish. I know he cannot apply for ILR when he has an appeal pending, but if he withdraws appeal when he hit 10 years, he will have no right to stay as soon as the appeal is withdrawn.
Guidance – Long residence and private life @ Page 25 wrote:The applicant completes 10 years continuous lawful residence while awaiting a decision of an appeal

A person may complete 10 years continuous lawful residence whilst they are awaiting the outcome of an appeal and submit an application on this basis. Under sections 3C and 3D, it is not possible to submit a new application while an appeal is outstanding. However, the applicant can submit further grounds to be considered at appeal.

If the applicant has an outstanding appeal against a decision to refuse leave to remain or indefinite leave to remain, and submits an application for long residence, you must void the case and refund the fee. You must create a file or sub-file and mark it ‘PRIORITY’. You must send the file or sub-file to the presenting officers unit (POU) dealing with the appeal. You
must send a letter to the applicant or their representative informing them their application has been linked with their outstanding appeal. You must use Doc Gen letter ICD.3207 for this purpose.

If the appeal is against a decision to curtail or revoke, and the immigration decision was made on or after 31 August 2006, you must follow the same process but you must use Doc Gen letter ICD.3258.
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Post by Damanisshallo » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:02 pm

For the convenience of few forum members, The layout of the Skydrive for Long Residence has been changed.
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Post by viglen210 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:26 pm

hi guys,

a friend of mine is applying for their ILR but with two big gaps over 300 days due to medical condition. he would like to apply through a solicitor. I have seen a post about experienced solicitors with ILR. I would be grateful if you can help me with some names. you can pm me if you like.

many thanks and sorry for posting something which may not relate to the post directly.

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Post by Maxwell » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:20 pm

Hi, great forum.

Please add me to 10 Years ILR Skydrive.

You can add me anywhere, but please add me to this one because I track it:
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=75f30851 ... 5&authkey=

Date application sent: 1 July
Ask Letter: 9 July
Biometric letter and enrol: 12 July

Now waiting.

Thank you.

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