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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by vinny » Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:11 am

Sunny024 wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:03 pm
mr kumar
thanks for the update
can u explain this?
While I have had regard to the submissions made on behalf of the petitioner to the effect that the Court of Appeal erred, I am nonetheless in full agreement with its decision and reasoning. Paragraph 39E has no relevance to or impact upon the operation of paragraph 276B(i)(a). It follows that the petition is refused.
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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Ports » Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:01 pm

Sunny024 wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:03 pm
mr kumar
thanks for the update
can u explain this?
Hi Sunny024,
This is a Scotland Supreme court decision on a petition against its lower courts decision. I don't think it has an impact on England & Wales courts. I'll check it out with my barrister.
Do you have any list of cases like yours and J Ahamed waiting in Court of Appeal for permission for JR or details of any cases that's been dealt with 39 E Long Residency.
Thanks

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Sunny024 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:39 pm

COA refused mine based on mausam Ahmad ,end of the road foe me

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Sunny024 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:31 pm

Did they refuse the appeal /Petition ?



Ports wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:01 pm
Sunny024 wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:03 pm
mr kumar
thanks for the update
can u explain this?
Hi Sunny024,
This is a Scotland Supreme court decision on a petition against its lower courts decision. I don't think it has an impact on England & Wales courts. I'll check it out with my barrister.
Do you have any list of cases like yours and J Ahamed waiting in Court of Appeal for permission for JR or details of any cases that's been dealt with 39 E Long Residency.
Thanks

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Ports » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:09 pm

Sunny024 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:31 pm
Did they refuse the appeal /Petition ?



Ports wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:01 pm
Sunny024 wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:03 pm
mr kumar
thanks for the update
can u explain this?
Hi Sunny024,
This is a Scotland Supreme court decision on a petition against its lower courts decision. I don't think it has an impact on England & Wales courts. I'll check it out with my barrister.
Do you have any list of cases like yours and J Ahamed waiting in Court of Appeal for permission for JR or details of any cases that's been dealt with 39 E Long Residency.
Thanks
Yes they have refused the petition. I'm really sorry about your case. I thought COA is not binding with it's decision??? What is your next option??? Can you go to the Supreme Court???

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Sunny024 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:36 am

Can’t go Supreme Court as my permission to appeal has been refused without a hearing .
My solicitor told me ,all appeals based on 39e are refused by COA based on mausam ahmad

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Ports » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:21 pm

Sunny024 wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:36 am
Can’t go Supreme Court as my permission to appeal has been refused without a hearing .
My solicitor told me ,all appeals based on 39e are refused by COA based on mausam ahmad
So in COA some of the cases get Oral hearing for JR Permission (Like Masum Ahamed) then some get Oral hearing. Did your solicitor do the grounds or did the barrister do them???? I also notice that June Ahmed case is still waiting for a decision on papers. He applied in January??? his case in UT was a JR hearing in October 2018 that means he lost it & applied to COA.
But REM 12 said earlier this month his case was sent back to HO for reconsideration at JR permission hearing in early October. He was in 39E case??? It seems that although Ahamed's cases are reported some of them are still going through. What options are available for you to stay now????

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Ports » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:26 am

REM12 wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:32 pm
HELLO xes... mine is back to ho for reconsideration. mine jr is about certified n 276b so lets see what they gonna do.just waiting
Dear REM12,
Can I Please clarify that your case was a JR permission hearing on 02 October??? You did not have AR from HO??? when you say 276B, is this involve 10 year Long residency & 39E ???? (whether you applied 14 days after AR exhausted and varied to ILR ????)
Did the judge ask HO to reconsider it at the Permission hearing???? Please let me know the details.
Thanks

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by REM12 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:52 pm

Ports wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:26 am
REM12 wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:32 pm
HELLO xes... mine is back to ho for reconsideration. mine jr is about certified n 276b so lets see what they gonna do.just waiting
Dear REM12,
Can I Please clarify that your case was a JR permission hearing on 02 October??? You did not have AR from HO??? when you say 276B, is this involve 10 year Long residency & 39E ???? (whether you applied 14 days after AR exhausted and varied to ILR ????)
Did the judge ask HO to reconsider it at the Permission hearing???? Please let me know the details.
Thanks
HELLO PORTS,
act my case is also same like ur1. tier1 refused n admin review also refused so 3c stops. within 14 days applied flr lr than vary to set lr. its for 10 years long residency and refused on same as out of time application and junaid ahmed case law with no appeal right. applied jr paper hearing refused so on permission oral hearing day, HO withdraw the case ,so no hearing and told they gonna reconsider n give fresh decision within 90 days. my grounds are on 39e ,276b and also in country appeal right, so now not sure what i gonna received !!!! just waiting for the decision.

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by kumar123456 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:53 pm

Despite the warning from the Court of Appeal, the new Long Residence Guidance published for Home Office staff on 28 October 2019https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 6.0ext.pdf maintains the long-standing application of paragraph 276B. For example, on page 16 it states under ‘Gaps in lawful residence’:

You may grant the application if an applicant:

has short gaps in lawful residence through making previous applications out of time by no more than 28 calendar days where those gaps end before 24 November 2016
has short gaps in lawful residence on or after 24 November 2016 but leave was granted in accordance with paragraph 39E of the Immigration Rules
meets all the other requirements for lawful residence
The examples of gaps in lawful residence are also helpful:

Example 1
An applicant has a single gap in their lawful residence due to submitting an application 17 days out of time. All other applications have been submitted in time, throughout the 10 years period.

Question Would you grant the application in this case?

Answer Grant the application as the rules allow for a period of overstaying of 28 days or less when that period ends before 24 November 2016

Example 2
An applicant has 3 gaps in their lawful residence due to submitting 3 separate applications out of time. These were 9, 17 and 24 days out of time. Question Would you grant the application in this case?

Answer Yes. Grant the application as the rules allow for periods of overstaying of 28 days or less when that period ends before 24 November 2016.

Still with updated guidance, if the Home Office apply their own guidance, gaps of overstaying where applications were made no more than 28 days out of time pre-24 November 2016, or 14 days after that date if 39E applies, should not break the lawfulness of the continuous residence.

It is completely unfair to refuse some people without considering policy guidance and granting others with same long lasting practice as per policy guidance

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Sunny024 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:29 pm

Hope This issue will be challenged in Supreme Court

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by zimba » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:52 pm

Sunny024 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:29 pm
Hope This issue will be challenged in Supreme Court
The view is that the overstaying period ignored under 39E will not count as lawful residence unless you managed to regularise your stay. So if on the day of your SET(LR) you are not within 28 days of completing 10 years of lawful residence, time waiting as an overstayer for SET(LR) to be decided cannot be considered part of the lawful period required towards your SET(LR). This would have been different if you were waiting instead while having section 3C.
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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Malik's » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:49 am

Sunny024 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:18 pm
no update
Hello sunny and others,
I am new in this page and I in the same situation. I been to my solicitor that after the mosum Ahmed decision how we can tackle this situation.
He advised me if we find out when rule 276B considered in parliament from Hansard report ?
If we find out than we can challenge the decision because the all purpose of rule written there.the court and home office current interpretation of this rule can be wrong if we find out actual discussion of this rule .
My solicitor told me that it is an intensive research and can take high amount of time and he's very busy . He advised me to speak and get helpfrom law students in universitiess or from national pro bono centre.
Please every body try this and share the information.

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Sunny024 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:27 pm

Thanks

Any update on Ahmads PTA at COA?

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Ports » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:56 pm

REM12 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:52 pm
Ports wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:26 am
REM12 wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:32 pm
HELLO xes... mine is back to ho for reconsideration. mine jr is about certified n 276b so lets see what they gonna do.just waiting
Dear REM12,
Can I Please clarify that your case was a JR permission hearing on 02 October??? You did not have AR from HO??? when you say 276B, is this involve 10 year Long residency & 39E ???? (whether you applied 14 days after AR exhausted and varied to ILR ????)
Did the judge ask HO to reconsider it at the Permission hearing???? Please let me know the details.
Thanks
HELLO PORTS,
act my case is also same like ur1. tier1 refused n admin review also refused so 3c stops. within 14 days applied flr lr than vary to set lr. its for 10 years long residency and refused on same as out of time application and junaid ahmed case law with no appeal right. applied jr paper hearing refused so on permission oral hearing day, HO withdraw the case ,so no hearing and told they gonna reconsider n give fresh decision within 90 days. my grounds are on 39e ,276b and also in country appeal right, so now not sure what i gonna received !!!! just waiting for the decision.
Hi REM12,
Happy New year!! Have you heard from HO??? I wonder whether you could let me know the JR number??? Thanks

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by zimba » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:33 pm

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Raj450 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:51 pm

I would like thanks The Admin and fellow brother for posting on this Topic.
My set O application has been refused on 2nd August 2019 with appeal right. Hearing was 9th January 2020 at Hatton cross and appeal allowed under 276b and 117b and human right grounds at FTT on 13th January 2020. Appeal ground was 276b and 39e and 34B and 10 years long lawful resident.
Now I am waiting for HO decisions or HO might challenge the FTT decision by using Masum Ahmed and Junaid Ahmed case law athrough HO didn't submit anything regarding M and J ahmed case law in my hearing.
I primarily posted regarding this topic on 9th may as a (raj4) but unfortunately I can't access to my account for some reason. So I have to open this account.
My brief immigration history, my appeal right exchused on 13th March 2019 and I made FLR (FP) application on 19th March 2019 by using 39E and varied to set O application on 5th may 2019 by using 34B and got refusal 2nd August 2019.
I could have completed by 10 years lawful resident by 26th October 2019 but HO refused my application before that as I came here on 26th October 2009.
HO mentioned on the refusal that I didn't competed 10 years lawful resident because of my FLR (FP) application was voided due to variation of Set O application.
So HO consider me as a overstyer for 2 month because my FLR (FP) application was voided.
My barrister made arugement that I successfully varied my application and I used 34b. So I can't be overstyer during 19th March to 5th May 2019 and I used 39e to make application on time.
HO representative accepted this that if application successfully varied, I have lawful resident throughout current time and I have completed my 10 years lawful resident.
I have two questions to Admin,
1. Does my situation is similar to Junaid Ahmed and Masum Ahmed case ?
2. Does they had others grounds along with 10 years lawful resident?
My barrister made arugement regarding 34B and 39E and 276 and my others grounds.
She mentioned regarding Mr J and M Ahmed that UP didn't follow HO guidelines properly and it might get favourable decisions from higher court as HO 10 years long resident still Support us.

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Sunny024 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:16 pm

You are really lucky HO didn’t raise mausam and Junaid Ahmad in the court ,although judge could have refused based on Ahmad case law ,he didn’t interfere.
Mine was similar case ,Ho agreed I finished 10 years using 39e but judge refused !strange isn’t it !!
I’m sure HO won’t challenge it in the UT because HO representative agreed you finished 10 years on the court ,he won’t go back and change his stance.

Your barrister was right ,courts didn’t follow HO Ilr guidance on Ahmad case law ,Supreme Court should have its final say on this issue someday and put this matter to rest for good

All the best

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Raj450 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:48 pm

Sunny024 wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:16 pm
You are really lucky HO didn’t raise mausam and Junaid Ahmad in the court ,although judge could have refused based on Ahmad case law ,he didn’t interfere.
Mine was similar case ,Ho agreed I finished 10 years using 39e but judge refused !strange isn’t it !!
I’m sure HO won’t challenge it in the UT because HO representative agreed you finished 10 years on the court ,he won’t go back and change his stance.

Your barrister was right ,courts didn’t follow HO Ilr guidance on Ahmad case law ,Supreme Court should have its final say on this issue someday and put this matter to rest for good

All the best
HO might consider fresh claims with additional grounds .In my experience, my friends got 30 month visa from UKVI instead of ILR although his application was Set O application . He made application for Long residence but HO refused his application with right to appeal and he went for FTT and UP and COA ,all court refused his appeal. He made another set O application within 14 days by using 39e .he got visa for 30 month on human rights grounds. He made ILR application again and got ILR as completed his 10 years lawfully.

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Ports » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:02 pm

REM12 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:52 pm
Ports wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:26 am
REM12 wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:32 pm
HELLO xes... mine is back to ho for reconsideration. mine jr is about certified n 276b so lets see what they gonna do.just waiting
Dear REM12,
Can I Please clarify that your case was a JR permission hearing on 02 October??? You did not have AR from HO??? when you say 276B, is this involve 10 year Long residency & 39E ???? (whether you applied 14 days after AR exhausted and varied to ILR ????)
Did the judge ask HO to reconsider it at the Permission hearing???? Please let me know the details.
Thanks
HELLO PORTS,
act my case is also same like ur1. tier1 refused n admin review also refused so 3c stops. within 14 days applied flr lr than vary to set lr. its for 10 years long residency and refused on same as out of time application and junaid ahmed case law with no appeal right. applied jr paper hearing refused so on permission oral hearing day, HO withdraw the case ,so no hearing and told they gonna reconsider n give fresh decision within 90 days. my grounds are on 39e ,276b and also in country appeal right, so now not sure what i gonna received !!!! just waiting for the decision.

Hello REM12, Have you heard from HO regarding fresh decisions??? I hope they have given you ILR. Please update us.

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by REM12 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:24 am

HELLO PORTS.
actually same refused with appeal right so mine case is on ftt and hearing is on june. how abt ur case? any progress? i dont understand is reported UT ahmed case says different , COA ahmed case law says different and despite all with updated policy guidance on oct/nov 2019, it remain same where gap is allowed when 39e applies and can be disregarded.lets see how it goes, and what they says about legitimate expectation ?

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Ports » Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:45 pm

Sunny024 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:29 pm
Hope This issue will be challenged in Supreme Court
Dear Sunny024,
Do you know whether Masum Ahamed is appling to Supreme court??? In his case as COA gave the permission to appeal against UT refusal of permission to apply for JR then CoA refused permission to apply for JR. In this case apparently Supreme case have the jurisdiction. so he can take the matter to Supreme court.
Please try to find this out.

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Sunny024 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:54 am

Wrong information,mausam Ahmad didn’t get appeal permission to Supreme Court.

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by Danish chaudhary » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 am

Hi All,
I have come across to below email link which allow us to send an email to Prime Minister;

https://email.number10.gov.uk/

It does not look most beneficial but may worth to drop an email from every member to PM/No. 10 to announce amnesty for all those lived in UK for more than 10 years regardless of lawfully or continuously.
COA wrong interpretation to 276B has created a lot of problems and HO is refusing almost all application on the base of R ( ahmed) decision.

Thanks

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Re: ILR 10 years lawful resident continue and section 39e

Post by zimba » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:02 pm

Danish chaudhary wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 am
Hi All,
I have come across to below email link which allow us to send an email to Prime Minister;

https://email.number10.gov.uk/

It does not look most beneficial but may worth to drop an email from every member to PM/No. 10 to announce amnesty for all those lived in UK for more than 10 years regardless of lawfully or continuously.
COA wrong interpretation to 276B has created a lot of problems and HO is refusing almost all application on the base of R ( ahmed) decision.

Thanks
It is never been about how long you lived here. It is about lawful residence. Even the overstaying periods will be ignored if you manage to regularise your stay. Courts have taken the view that anything other than that is abuse of the immigration rules which kind of makes sense
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