ILR and Citizenship Tougher language requirements

I can't agree more.

They keep increasing their fees and trying to get more money while at the same time I don't see much improvements in their service standards.

[iD] wrote:

syed_ILR wrote:

[iD] wrote: You're paying our fees then?
Use some common sense before posting. Every fortnightly changes with stupid effing excuses just to draw money from people is the reason why everyone's pissed.

To answer your comment regarding high skilled immigrants ability to pass the text, EXACTLY WHY WE ARE SAYING THAT WE DON'T FKING NEED ANOTHER STUPID mule ENGLISH TEST TO PROVE THAT WE CAN SPEAK ENGLISH

Ohhh so the issue is all about money..Tbh I thought people were scared of the test. I don't mind..I can pay your fees if you are tight with cash man...its cool trust me.

Of course it's about money for them. That's all they care about.
We are human being not some frickin robots, I for one won't just keep following their orders and guarantee you that I will take them to court over this.
My life in the UK clearly tells me my competence in English meets the required standard and no proof of that is needed.
They can't just come out with new set of tests and crap to make people pay for stupid meaningless tests.

I have to apply for 10 year long residency base after Oct 2013 and at the moment i am on PSW .Could someone plz help me out on following points:


1- Do i need B1 for english language as i have master degree from uk in 2012.

2- Do i have to show any statement according to new rule (if yes thn how much ).

3- Do i still need police registration according to new rule.



Many thanks.



Regarding

Sonia.

Just thought to share updated news on UKBA website. Not anything new or change in this post.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... lt-procure

15 April 2013

This summer (2013), the Home Office will carry out a re-tendering exercise for approved secure English language test providers.

The re-tendering exercise will ensure all approved providers offer a high quality service, with secure and consistent tests and testing arrangements. It will also enhance the security requirements and establish more robust criteria for the administration of English language tests.

The re-tendering exercise will affect secure English language tests for:

Tiers 1, 2 and 4 of the points-based system; and
Spouses and partners of British citizens and persons settled in the UK.

To be honest, I think that this Statement of Intend is still in a very crude form. Still needs bit more brushing up by Home Office. Just wait for few more weeks or may be a month or so, then once they are about to implement the rules at ILR and Naturalization, then it will be much clearer. I am waiting for the Hansards on this. I am also applying for my Naturalization in August, but still waiting for a clear picture on this new TO BE rule.

Interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE5l3hZbi3c

I'm a bit confused.. Is it not C1 qualification higher than B1? so if we have a qualification taught in English, we are good


Because Degree taught in English is equivalent to having C1 level qualification... Am I wrong?

http://www.ecctis.co.uk/naric/individua ... sment.aspx

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... uirements1


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http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... uirements1


Scoring points for English language
Eligibility

This page explains the points we award for your English language ability under Tier 1 (General) of the points-based system.

You must read the policy guidance before you apply. You can download the guidance from the right side of this page.

You must score 10 points for your English language ability, or we will refuse your application.

English is the UK's most widely spoken language. The ability to speak English improves your potential to succeed in the UK labour market, and helps you to integrate into the UK. Therefore, you must have a good knowledge of English.

To meet the English language requirement, you must:

currently have permission to stay in the UK under Tier 1 (General), or as a highly skilled migrant under the Immigration Rules that came into force on 5 December 2006; or
be a national of a majority English-speaking country; or
pass an English language test approved by us; or
hold a degree that was taught in English and is equivalent to a UK bachelor's degree or above.

More information

[down] Are you a national of a majority English speaking country?
[down] What is an approved English language test?
[up] Do you hold an acceptable degree taught in English?

To demonstrate that you meet the English language requirement, your degree must:
be recognised by the National Academic Recognition Information Centre for the UK (UK NARIC) as being equivalent to at least a UK bachelor's degree; and
have been taught in English to a standard comparable to that of level C1 on the Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR).

If your degree was taken in one of these countries, we will assume that it was taught in English:
Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
the Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Dominica
Grenada
Guyana
Ireland
Jamaica
New Zealand
St Kitts and Nevis
St Lucia
St Vincent and the Grenadines
Trinidad and Tobago
the UK
the USA

Please note that Canada is not on this list.

We will assess your degree using our points-based calculator, which contains information from UK NARIC. You will meet the English language requirement if the calculator confirms that your degree:
is at or above the level of a UK bachelor's degree; and
was taught to a competent standard of English equivalent to level C1 on the CEFR.

If the points-based calculator cannot confirm these details, you will not meet the requirement.

You can use the points-based calculator, which you can find on the right side of this page, to check your degree before you apply. If you cannot find details of your degree on the calculator, UK NARIC will not be able to verify whether you meet the English language requirement. In that case, you should present an alternative qualification or select another way of showing that you meet the English language requirement.

Hi

I POSTED THE FOLLWOING .. NO ONE SEEM TO ANSWER THIS . COULD ANY MEMEBER OR GURU OR ANYONE PLEASE RESPOND

i am a bit confused with how to prove the new requirements for english ..
My wife has

1. Entry Level Certificates in ESOL Skills for Life ( speaking & Listening )
entry 1.
2. Writing entry 1

the certificate has Ofqual stamp onit

is this enough or she needs to do Entry level 2 and 3

thanks in advance

I can't find calculator for ILR. Am I right to assume that if my initial and extensoin Tier-1 application used Degree Taught in English to meet English language requirements, I am good to go for ILR as well with same?

I found the whole issue rather annoying and frustrating, with the lack of clarity from UKBA.

With all of the following, it looks as though I am still not qualified.....
Studied in a boarding shool in UK from the age of 12 to 18
Achieving a B for GCSE english (taken in UK)
5 A-levels all taught in english.
Worked 2 years in Australia and last 5 years in UK within a professional capacity that deals with Clients in a daily basis.
Taken IELTs w/ overall 8.5 score in 2005 (score long expired - only last 2 yrs)
Got a Engineering chartership within Engineering Council UK(Report and interview conducted in English entirely)
Not to mentioned the Life in UK test...

I hope there will be some sort of way to apply for exemption....

nomadma wrote:I found the whole issue rather annoying and frustrating, with the lack of clarity from UKBA.

With all of the following, it looks as though I am still not qualified.....
Studied in a boarding shool in UK from the age of 12 to 18
Achieving a B for GCSE english (taken in UK)
5 A-levels all taught in english.
Worked 2 years in Australia and last 5 years in UK within a professional capacity that deals with Clients in a daily basis.
Taken IELTs w/ overall 8.5 score in 2005 (score long expired - only last 2 yrs)
Got a Engineering chartership within Engineering Council UK(Report and interview conducted in English entirely)
Not to mentioned the Life in UK test...

I hope there will be some sort of way to apply for exemption....

Immigrants are cash cow and UK cares only about money nothing else. IELTS is mandatory for higher study for immigrant but they still ask to do it again. Its all about money.

If they have way they will charge immigrant fee every month from all. Evenif they can charge monthly rental for holding british passport to UK citizen.

jannahia wrote:Some time i am shocked how they facing bull said that they made policies for people to enter in their society perfect for them. when ever these bloodies made rule have no sense they judging educated an non educated person on same way.http://www.immigrationboards.com/images ... n_evil.gif

Pardon moi monsieur? Anglais s'il vous plait.

we all on Tier 1 and HSMP get points for English ..... so we are all fine ... even if you go to extension we need to show we meet english requirement ... so we all fine ...

I am seriously appalled to learn about this new English requirement for Naturalization. I mean how daft they can get asking us to pass a stupid B1 test to prove our language ability. How come are we working here for last 5 years at good positions without knowing English? also how did we pass LIUK test if our English is not at level B1? Someone rightly pointed out about that statement on our LIUK test reports which clearly states that we don't need to do anything to prove our language skills yet Home office has introduced this new requirement. I think they must look into this and exempt people who get ILR before Oct 2013 to sit in a stupid English test. I am in a dilemma at the moment as I have to apply next yr in January and I don't know whether I should appear in an English test or not. I have a 4-yr foreign Bachelors degree which has been certified as British bachelors equivalent by UK NARIC but would that be acceptable for this new English requirement? I don't know about that.

Can someone please shed some more light on this as to what we need to do? should we go for English test or wait?

pkumar wrote:we all on Tier 1 and HSMP get points for English ..... so we are all fine ... even if you go to extension we need to show we meet english requirement ... so we all fine ...

Are you sure about that?

I have submitted my UK NARIC letter which is about my degrees' comparability to British bachelors degree in my past applications for HSMP and Tier-1 to meet English requirement and it was accepted all the time. But I am not sure if this would meet this new B1 requirement ?

Any thoughts on this or should I just go for one of these stupid tests to cover my axx

This is what i think one should do:

To satisfy requirement CEFR (atlease B1 level) one should prove to UKBA by submitting a documentary evidence that clearly states the English Language proficiency (A1, B1, C1 etc..)

UKNARIC provides English Language Assessment Service based on Degree certificates you provide, but UKNARIC is only be able to assess against CEFR C1 level (Not lower or higher).

So if your degree is atleast CEFR C1 level you can show it as evidence as it is higher than B1 and you satisfy the requirement.

How about people like me who had scored 7.5/ 9 in IELTS and language is like a motor-able skill. The more you practice, the more proficient you become....

T1ilr wrote:How about people like me who had scored 7.5/ 9 in IELTS and language is like a motor-able skill. The more you practice, the more proficient you become....

I scored 8.0 in IELTS back in 2008 but obviously cannot submit it as it has expired. I have booked FCE exam in August as I don't want to waste time..don't want Home office to reject my application only because I cannot prove my English is at level B1.

I have had a re-look at the UKBA website and the document itself. There is a statement which says as an example (not in exact words) that tier 2 applicants who has proven as part of initial application need not have to prove again. My prudence dictates that the same would imply for Tier 1 as well.

1) I have cleared IELTS as mentioned before, though it has expired- yet how can I 'forget' a language for God's sake.

2) As someone rightly pointed out, LIUK pass certificate says that 'no further proof is required'. I hope home office would not contradict its own statement.

Despite the above arguments, if the changes are made in Oct, 2013 I am planning to go legal to seek a stay on the proposed change. In my opinion, this is unfair and unjustified.

Provided none of us know what the exact situation is, please do not fear monger with inadequate information.

I bet, even, the members of this forum working with home office would hardly have a clue about this proposed change. Do not assume and confuse others as well please.

Can someone provide contact details to get in touch with Home Office?

I am planning to write to them seeking clarification with a copy to my local MP.

Any suggestions are welcome.

T1ilr wrote:I have had a re-look at the UKBA website and the document itself. There is a statement which says as an example (not in exact words) that tier 2 applicants who has proven as part of initial application need not have to prove again. My prudence dictates that the same would imply for Tier 1 as well.

1) I have cleared IELTS as mentioned before, though it has expired- yet how can I 'forget' a language for God's sake.

2) As someone rightly pointed out, LIUK pass certificate says that 'no further proof is required'. I hope home office would not contradict its own statement.

Despite the above arguments, if the changes are made in Oct, 2013 I am planning to go legal to seek a stay on the proposed change. In my opinion, this is unfair and unjustified.

Provided none of us know what the exact situation is, please do not fear monger with inadequate information.

I bet, even, the members of this forum working with home office would hardly have a clue about this proposed change. Do not assume and confuse others as well please.

You missed the point. Here are the exact words:

"So, for example, a person applying for settlement as a Tier 2 (General) migrant who has already demonstrated a knowledge of English equivalent to B1 level in order to qualify for entry clearance, will not have to take a further test at settlement stage."


Since 2011 there are new rules for Tier-2/Tier-1 where they had to prove English language skills at level B1 by passing a test (similar to what they are asking now for settlement). This was not the case when I applied for my HSMP or Tier-1 back in 2008. I just had to show my UK NARIC certificate of Comparability (British Bachelors Equivalent) to satisfy English requirement. This UK NARIC letter will not satisfy English requirement set out for Naturalization/settlement. I also applied for UK NARIC English assessment last month and for some very odd reason they came back saying my degree is not at C1 and they can only certify at level C1.


I understand that our LIUK report does say that no further proof of language is required but as per new KoLL requirements it is clearly mentioned that besides LIUK certificate they would need an English test report where I must show a level of B1 in listening and Speaking.

I would be glad if someone can contact Home office and confirm if this indeed is required for people who passed Life in the UK test before June 2012 (as new KoLL rules came in June 2012)

I have a direct interest in this as the changes impact me when I apply for ILR in late October 2013.

My wife has written her LIUK test in June 2013, and the certificate still says that no additional language requirement is required to demonstrate a proficiency in English.

I will be writing my LIUK in August 2013.

I have also emailed UKBA for clarification on the statement of intent.

Thanks...

dadageer wrote:
You missed the point. Here are the exact words:

"So, for example, a person applying for settlement as a Tier 2 (General) migrant who has already demonstrated a knowledge of English equivalent to B1 level in order to qualify for entry clearance, will not have to take a further test at settlement stage."


Since 2011 there are new rules for Tier-2/Tier-1 where they had to prove English language skills at level B1 by passing a test (similar to what they are asking now for settlement). This was not the case when I applied for my HSMP or Tier-1 back in 2008. I just had to show my UK NARIC certificate of Comparability (British Bachelors Equivalent) to satisfy English requirement. This UK NARIC letter will not satisfy English requirement set out for Naturalization/settlement. I also applied for UK NARIC English assessment last month and for some very odd reason they came back saying my degree is not at C1 and they can only certify at level C1.


I understand that our LIUK report does say that no further proof of language is required but as per new KoLL requirements it is clearly mentioned that besides LIUK certificate they would need an English test report where I must show a level of B1 in listening and Speaking.

I would be glad if someone can contact Home office and confirm if this indeed is required for people who passed Life in the UK test before June 2012 (as new KoLL rules came in June 2012)

Hi Anees,

please do share the details of the reply that you get from UKBA.

Kind regards

You guys may send an email at this address:

FurtherNationalityEnquiries@ukba.gsi.gov.uk

Hello All,

How can i check whether my degree is acceptable and considered by UKBA as Degree taught in English?

This is my wife's ILR application. She has already cleared her LIUK test.

Any weblinks please?

I hope UKBA clarifies the rules very soon as it is resulting in lot of confusion. I have ILR coming up early next year (Tier2 main & dependents).

It seems those who have a degree taught in English (equivalent to NAIRC) do not need to take any test. But for ILR what proof need to be submitted (in addition to degree certificate) is still vague.