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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by London22 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:21 pm

waitinglad wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:30 pm
London22 wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:34 pm
waitinglad wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:38 am
Dear fellow member,

I just wanted to share some information.

I reached out to my local MP, regarding my ILR application that was made on 22nd June 2018. as you can tell it has now been over 6 months. I Wrote to my MP in the beginning of december 2018 and they enquired on my behalf and HO came back with this response. can the expert please shed some light on it.

(Dear xxxxx,

Further to previous correspondence, please see below the response MP has received from UK Visas and Immigration concerning your case:

"Dear Ms xxx,

Thank you for your email correspondence of 6 December on behalf of Mr xxxx of xxxx, about his application for Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR).

As you are aware, Mr xxxx submitted an application for ILR on 25 June. This application remains outstanding. Although our service standard for deciding ILR applications is 6 months, this is sometimes not possible. I can confirm that this is the case with Mr xxxx's application.

It may be helpful to explain that applications can often be deemed as complex in nature for a number of reasons. Delays in deciding applications are often due to issues relating to the European Convention on Human Rights which are complex in nature. Additionally, in order to conclude an application, a number of additional checks with external government departments must be completed which can also result in us being unable to complete an application for ILR within our 6 month service standard.

I can confirm that when an application is made in-time, before the expiry of existing leave, an applicant remains in the UK on the terms and conditions of their previous leave until a decision is made on the new application, even if the decision is not made until their previous leave has expired. This is because they are covered by Section 3C of the Immigration Act 1971, which preserves the applicant's existing conditions of leave, including any conditions permitting them to take employment, until their application is decided (or they withdraw their application or leave the UK). Because Mr xxxx's application for ILR was made before his previous Leave expired, he is covered by 3C. I can confirm that Mr xxxx's employer, xxxxxxxxxxxxx, used the Employer Checking Service in July, which confirmed his right to work in the UK whilst his application is outstanding.

Please assure Mr xxxx that we will contact him as soon as a decision has been made on his application." )


I would be thankful to you guys with some feedback on this. Thanks in advance.
If you tell me which country are you from and have you committed any serious crime and have you obtained passport of your country of origin and travelled on it to your country or any other ,it will come out why are they taking so long.
I think they cant refuse you as if that was the case they would have done it until now .It will be interesting to share the info I requested.I am going to apply for my ILR next month so it will be interesting and informative to know .

Dear London22,

Thank you for your reply. I can confirm that, I have not commited any crime, I have not obtained passport/ID of my country, I am from Pakistan and I have not travelled to my country or any other country for that matter. I Have been working in heath sector for the past 4 years and before that in the university.

However, I had CCJ for no payment of rent which was issued in 2014. for which i have declared on the application.

hope this helps?

regards, Waitinglad
Hi Mate
Dont worry ccj cant stop you getting ILR as it is a civil matter and yes it can have impact on nationality application with limited threshold that only a stubborn caseworker can do that.Your case is stronger if your reasons for asylum still stand the same as of the time of grant and also there is no protection in your country because of your specific circumstances that made you to seek international protection.If they refuse you Im sure you will win it on appeal .Just hope for better .The way the grant of asylum is hard the more hard is to cease it on the other hand too.Goodluck.

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by London22 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:45 pm

ariskar wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:55 am
The alternative, in case you have not used the home country passport would be to consult an immigration advisor and contact HO/SSHD to provide them the passport and explain your mistake and reasons you still require protection, which is likely to trigger a status review for your case.
Hi Friend
I want hand over national passport to home office very soon before applying.Thats the option that can help me .Giving it back to my national authorities wont make any difference.Do you know which address should I send it to or go and hand over it to them.Is it travel documents section which office is lunar house Croydon?
Anyone else if can guide where exactly I should hand over my national passport to home office if not Croydon office.Thank you

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by Sand6 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:29 am

London22 wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:45 pm
ariskar wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:55 am
The alternative, in case you have not used the home country passport would be to consult an immigration advisor and contact HO/SSHD to provide them the passport and explain your mistake and reasons you still require protection, which is likely to trigger a status review for your case.
Hi Friend
I want hand over national passport to home office very soon before applying.Thats the option that can help me .Giving it back to my national authorities wont make any difference.Do you know which address should I send it to or go and hand over it to them.Is it travel documents section which office is lunar house Croydon?
Anyone else if can guide where exactly I should hand over my national passport to home office if not Croydon office.Thank you
I think you should consult a soliciter rather then sending passort to home office as it will trigger the review of your case or better to apply for ILR and explain your mistake in it and send passport with your application. I hope you 'll be fine.

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by London22 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:06 am

Sand6 wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:29 am
London22 wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:45 pm
ariskar wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:55 am
The alternative, in case you have not used the home country passport would be to consult an immigration advisor and contact HO/SSHD to provide them the passport and explain your mistake and reasons you still require protection, which is likely to trigger a status review for your case.
Hi Friend
I want hand over national passport to home office very soon before applying.Thats the option that can help me .Giving it back to my national authorities wont make any difference.Do you know which address should I send it to or go and hand over it to them.Is it travel documents section which office is lunar house Croydon?
Anyone else if can guide where exactly I should hand over my national passport to home office if not Croydon office.Thank you
I think you should consult a soliciter rather then sending passort to home office as it will trigger the review of your case or better to apply for ILR and explain your mistake in it and send passport with your application. I hope you 'll be fine.
Thank you mate for your advise.Im applying for ILR on 1st week of Feb.I will mention this issue of national passport and explain HO reasons led in making of it.I think when I go to submit documents I should send passport as well or ask HO later on where to send it.The problem with lawyers is they have no idea what can actually happen as it is a rare case.Yes I know this case would go to status review unit SRU.A useless silliest act have put me in huge pressure.

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by Amber_aziz » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:31 pm

Hello everyone.....urgenttttt help needed
I have a question my ilr set protection is due in March.
I made a mistake before my asylum appeal was allowed I renew my Pakistani passport
While homeoffice got my expire passport.
I have a question do i have to tell home office I have renew my passport ?
Or if I don't tell them it's doesn't matter.
Can home office ask Pakistani embassy if I renew any passport?
Please help me

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by Amber_aziz » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:33 pm

London22 wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:06 am
Sand6 wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:29 am
London22 wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:45 pm
ariskar wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:55 am
The alternative, in case you have not used the home country passport would be to consult an immigration advisor and contact HO/SSHD to provide them the passport and explain your mistake and reasons you still require protection, which is likely to trigger a status review for your case.
Hi Friend
I want hand over national passport to home office very soon before applying.Thats the option that can help me .Giving it back to my national authorities wont make any difference.Do you know which address should I send it to or go and hand over it to them.Is it travel documents section which office is lunar house Croydon?
Anyone else if can guide where exactly I should hand over my national passport to home office if not Croydon office.Thank you
I think you should consult a soliciter rather then sending passort to home office as it will trigger the review of your case or better to apply for ILR and explain your mistake in it and send passport with your application. I hope you 'll be fine.
Thank you mate for your advise.Im applying for ILR on 1st week of Feb.I will mention this issue of national passport and explain HO reasons led in making of it.I think when I go to submit documents I should send passport as well or ask HO later on where to send it.The problem with lawyers is they have no idea what can actually happen as it is a rare case.Yes I know this case would go to status review unit SRU.A useless silliest act have put me in huge pressure.



Hello everyone.....urgenttttt help needed
I have a question my ilr set protection is due in March.
I made a mistake before my asylum appeal was allowed I renew my Pakistani passport
While homeoffice got my expire passport.
I have a question do i have to tell home office I have renew my passport ?
Or if I don't tell them it's doesn't matter.
Can home office ask Pakistani embassy if I renew any passport?
Please help me

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by Amber_aziz » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:35 pm

Sand6 wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:29 am
London22 wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:45 pm
ariskar wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:55 am
The alternative, in case you have not used the home country passport would be to consult an immigration advisor and contact HO/SSHD to provide them the passport and explain your mistake and reasons you still require protection, which is likely to trigger a status review for your case.
Hi Friend
I want hand over national passport to home office very soon before applying.Thats the option that can help me .Giving it back to my national authorities wont make any difference.Do you know which address should I send it to or go and hand over it to them.Is it travel documents section which office is lunar house Croydon?
Anyone else if can guide where exactly I should hand over my national passport to home office if not Croydon office.Thank you
I think you should consult a soliciter rather then sending passort to home office as it will trigger the review of your case or better to apply for ILR and explain your mistake in it and send passport with your application. I hope you 'll be fine.
Hello everyone.....urgenttttt help needed
I have a question my ilr set protection is due in March.
I made a mistake before my asylum appeal was allowed I renew my Pakistani passport
While homeoffice got my expire passport.
I have a question do i have to tell home office I have renew my passport ?
Or if I don't tell them it's doesn't matter.
Can home office ask Pakistani embassy if I renew any passport?
Please help me

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by salsabeel » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:40 pm

Amber_aziz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:31 pm
Hello everyone.....urgenttttt help needed
I have a question my ilr set protection is due in March.
I made a mistake before my asylum appeal was allowed I renew my Pakistani passport
While homeoffice got my expire passport.
I have a question do i have to tell home office I have renew my passport ? yes u need to tell them.
Or if I don't tell them it's doesn't matter. it does matter
Can home office ask Pakistani embassy if I renew any passport? yes home office need to carry out all these checks before decision. so better to explain in details with reasons that why did u do that and why u needed it ?
Please help me
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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by Amber_aziz » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:09 pm

Thank you very much for your replay.
So home office will contact to Pakistani embassy?
If I m refugee how can they share my information with my home country? Can you please tell me please

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by Amber_aziz » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:12 pm

salsabeel wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:40 pm
Amber_aziz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:31 pm
Hello everyone.....urgenttttt help needed
I have a question my ilr set protection is due in March.
I made a mistake before my asylum appeal was allowed I renew my Pakistani passport
While homeoffice got my expire passport.
I have a question do i have to tell home office I have renew my passport ? yes u need to tell them.
Or if I don't tell them it's doesn't matter. it does matter
Can home office ask Pakistani embassy if I renew any passport? yes home office need to carry out all these checks before decision. so better to explain in details with reasons that why did u do that and why u needed it ?
Please help me
Thank you SALA for replay me.
If I tell them are they going to refuse my ILR?

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by salsabeel » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:23 pm

Amber_aziz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:09 pm
Thank you very much for your replay.
So home office will contact to Pakistani embassy?
homeoffice check with country embassy, as refugee who seeks protection has applied (the country sought asylum from ) passport if yes it makes his/her asylum reason invalid because he/she breaches law
If I m refugee how can they share my information with my home country? Can you please tell me please. Nobody knows as its quite confidensial.
so just explain them in details with reasons. best wishes
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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by salsabeel » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:27 pm

Amber_aziz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:12 pm
salsabeel wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:40 pm
Amber_aziz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:31 pm
Hello everyone.....urgenttttt help needed
I have a question my ilr set protection is due in March.
I made a mistake before my asylum appeal was allowed I renew my Pakistani passport
While homeoffice got my expire passport.
I have a question do i have to tell home office I have renew my passport ? yes u need to tell them.
Or if I don't tell them it's doesn't matter. it does matter
Can home office ask Pakistani embassy if I renew any passport? yes home office need to carry out all these checks before decision. so better to explain in details with reasons that why did u do that and why u needed it ?
Please help me
Thank you SALA for replay me.
If I tell them are they going to refuse my ILR? well, if u explain them every thing and
ur asylum reason is STILL VALID, THEY CAN NOT REFUSE if u still need protection.seek legal advise too.
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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by Amber_aziz » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:33 pm

salsabeel wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:27 pm
Amber_aziz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:12 pm
salsabeel wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:40 pm
Amber_aziz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:31 pm
Hello everyone.....urgenttttt help needed
I have a question my ilr set protection is due in March.
I made a mistake before my asylum appeal was allowed I renew my Pakistani passport
While homeoffice got my expire passport.
I have a question do i have to tell home office I have renew my passport ? yes u need to tell them.
Or if I don't tell them it's doesn't matter. it does matter
Can home office ask Pakistani embassy if I renew any passport? yes home office need to carry out all these checks before decision. so better to explain in details with reasons that why did u do that and why u needed it ?
Please help me
Thank you SALA for replay me.
If I tell them are they going to refuse my ILR? well, if u explain them every thing and
ur asylum reason is STILL VALID, THEY CAN NOT REFUSE if u still need protection.seek legal advise too.
Thanks salsa
Just the last question do you know anyone who obtain the Pakistani passport and didn't tell the home office?
Do you have any refrence please ? You can share

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by CR001 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:38 pm

Amber_aziz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:33 pm
Thanks salsa
Just the last question do you know anyone who obtain the Pakistani passport and didn't tell the home office?
Do you have any refrence please ? You can share
Please see below link for detailed guidance.
See page 13 in the link below on possible reasons for revocation of Refugee status.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... _0_EXT.pdf
Return to country of origin or obtaining a passport
This will usually indicate voluntary re-availment and may lead to revocation under Paragraph 339A(i)-(vi)
See below also Immigration Rules Part 11 - Asylum.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration ... -11-asylum
Refugee Convention ceases to apply (cessation)

339A. This paragraph applies when the Secretary of State is satisfied that one or more of the following applies:
(i) they have voluntarily re-availed themselves of the protection of the country of nationality;
(ii) having lost their nationality, they have voluntarily re-acquired it;
(iii) they have acquired a new nationality, and enjoy the protection of the country of their new nationality;
(iv) they have voluntarily re-established themselves in the country which they left or outside which they remained owing to a fear of persecution;
(v) they can no longer, because the circumstances in connection with which they have been recognised as a refugee have ceased to exist, continue to refuse to avail themselves of the protection of the country of nationality; or
(vi) being a stateless person with no nationality, they are able, because the circumstances in connection with which they have been recognised as a refugee have ceased to exist, to return to the country of former habitual residence

In considering (v) and (vi), the Secretary of State shall have regard to whether the change of circumstances is of such a significant and non-temporary nature that the refugee’s fear of persecution can no longer be regarded as well-founded.
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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by London22 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:22 pm

Amber_aziz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:33 pm
London22 wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:06 am
Sand6 wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:29 am
London22 wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:45 pm


Hi Friend
I want hand over national passport to home office very soon before applying.Thats the option that can help me .Giving it back to my national authorities wont make any difference.Do you know which address should I send it to or go and hand over it to them.Is it travel documents section which office is lunar house Croydon?
Anyone else if can guide where exactly I should hand over my national passport to home office if not Croydon office.Thank you
I think you should consult a soliciter rather then sending passort to home office as it will trigger the review of your case or better to apply for ILR and explain your mistake in it and send passport with your application. I hope you 'll be fine.
Thank you mate for your advise.Im applying for ILR on 1st week of Feb.I will mention this issue of national passport and explain HO reasons led in making of it.I think when I go to submit documents I should send passport as well or ask HO later on where to send it.The problem with lawyers is they have no idea what can actually happen as it is a rare case.Yes I know this case would go to status review unit SRU.A useless silliest act have put me in huge pressure.



Hello everyone.....urgenttttt help needed
I have a question my ilr set protection is due in March.
I made a mistake before my asylum appeal was allowed I renew my Pakistani passport
While homeoffice got my expire passport.
I have a question do i have to tell home office I have renew my passport ?
Or if I don't tell them it's doesn't matter.
Can home office ask Pakistani embassy if I renew any passport?
Please help me
Hello Amber Aziz
We both are on same boat.I have done the same mistake and Im in deep trouble .I am applying in 2 weeks.
Obtaining a national passport after the grant of asylum can terminate refugee status under article 1c(1) of refugee convention 1952.I have searched many online forums,academics,UNHCR latest handbook . One academic called this cessation problematic.Even UNHCR previous handbook have a statement contrast to the cessation clause in which it states every individual case should be decided on its individual merits after if refugees obtained national passport.I have taken advise from many lawyers and some of them told me Home Office can refuse ILR and only 2 lawyers told me I would be fine as I did not use passport for travel.A very few told me to renounce passport or destroy it.I haven't listened to anyone yet as I have already decided to let home office know that I have renewed national passport.
Nobody can answer exactly how home office treats such cases except those caseworkers who work within home office either ex employees or present.Lawyers don't seem to have such cases.
Most refugee revocation cases are due to criminality or where home office thinks refugee status was obtained fraudulently.There is nothing better than hoping for better.

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by Amber_aziz » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:31 pm

Thank you for you replay
I just want to know if HO contatct to Pakistan embassy in time when I apply for refugee ILR??
Please let me know when you get your ILR
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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by London22 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:13 am

Amber_aziz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:31 pm
Thank you for you replay
I just want to know if HO contatct to Pakistan embassy in time when I apply for refugee ILR??
Please let me know when you get your ILR
X
Hi everyone
I have tried to find out cases where refugee status was ceased due to obtaining a new home country's passport and I could only found 1 case of an algerian citizen from 2005 to 2013.If anyone has information or reference of such cases please come forward and share here for guidance.
UNHCR handbook doesnt have a clear explanation in such cases thats why there are no such cases .The lawa states simply that obtaining a national passport in the absence of proof contrary be presumbed that refugee intends to avail the protection of his own country.On the other hand it states refugees may have obtained national passport may be they are constrained due to the circumstances out of their control.Here a refugee has to explain reasons led him to do so.Ridiculously UNHCR states if a refugee renews his national passport his refugee status should not be ceased if that passport is not valid for travel to his country of origin.What the refugee has obtained a passport for then ?In some cases it is allowed for refugees to return to thier home countries for short period so the home office return to home country may usually terminate refugee status term used as headline in asylum revocation policy is not a straightforward.
A refugee should not simply obtain a national passport otherwise his asylum becomes complex and he has to be ready for a fight.It is now too late to teach this lesson to myself ha ha ha.If home office refuses someone ILR on this basis but refugee rebuts the basis his status may be decided afresh.Nobody knows home office exact policy in such cases.The laws are not simple they need interpretation.

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by Amber_aziz » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:36 pm

London22 wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:13 am
Amber_aziz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:31 pm
Thank you for you replay
I just want to know if HO contatct to Pakistan embassy in time when I apply for refugee ILR??
Please let me know when you get your ILR
X
Hi everyone
I have tried to find out cases where refugee status was ceased due to obtaining a new home country's passport and I could only found 1 case of an algerian citizen from 2005 to 2013.If anyone has information or reference of such cases please come forward and share here for guidance.
UNHCR handbook doesnt have a clear explanation in such cases thats why there are no such cases .The lawa states simply that obtaining a national passport in the absence of proof contrary be presumbed that refugee intends to avail the protection of his own country.On the other hand it states refugees may have obtained national passport may be they are constrained due to the circumstances out of their control.Here a refugee has to explain reasons led him to do so.Ridiculously UNHCR states if a refugee renews his national passport his refugee status should not be ceased if that passport is not valid for travel to his country of origin.What the refugee has obtained a passport for then ?In some cases it is allowed for refugees to return to thier home countries for short period so the home office return to home country may usually terminate refugee status term used as headline in asylum revocation policy is not a straightforward.
A refugee should not simply obtain a national passport otherwise his asylum becomes complex and he has to be ready for a fight.It is now too late to teach this lesson to myself ha ha ha.If home office refuses someone ILR on this basis but refugee rebuts the basis his status may be decided afresh.Nobody knows home office exact policy in such cases.The laws are not simple they need interpretation.
Thanks again for your prompt replay.
Pleaae could you tell me me 1 thing home office promised that they will not share any information with refugee home country.
So you saying they do share refugee information with their home country ??????????
Please keep informing me regards your ILR application.
I have few months left for refugee ILR.

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by London22 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:53 pm

Amber_aziz wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:36 pm
London22 wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:13 am
Amber_aziz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:31 pm
Thank you for you replay
I just want to know if HO contatct to Pakistan embassy in time when I apply for refugee ILR??
Please let me know when you get your ILR
X
Hi everyone
I have tried to find out cases where refugee status was ceased due to obtaining a new home country's passport and I could only found 1 case of an algerian citizen from 2005 to 2013.If anyone has information or reference of such cases please come forward and share here for guidance.
UNHCR handbook doesnt have a clear explanation in such cases thats why there are no such cases .The lawa states simply that obtaining a national passport in the absence of proof contrary be presumbed that refugee intends to avail the protection of his own country.On the other hand it states refugees may have obtained national passport may be they are constrained due to the circumstances out of their control.Here a refugee has to explain reasons led him to do so.Ridiculously UNHCR states if a refugee renews his national passport his refugee status should not be ceased if that passport is not valid for travel to his country of origin.What the refugee has obtained a passport for then ?In some cases it is allowed for refugees to return to thier home countries for short period so the home office return to home country may usually terminate refugee status term used as headline in asylum revocation policy is not a straightforward.
A refugee should not simply obtain a national passport otherwise his asylum becomes complex and he has to be ready for a fight.It is now too late to teach this lesson to myself ha ha ha.If home office refuses someone ILR on this basis but refugee rebuts the basis his status may be decided afresh.Nobody knows home office exact policy in such cases.The laws are not simple they need interpretation.
Thanks again for your prompt replay.
Pleaae could you tell me me 1 thing home office promised that they will not share any information with refugee home country.
So you saying they do share refugee information with their home country ??????????
Please keep informing me regards your ILR application.
I have few months left for refugee ILR.
Hi Amber
I dont have any confirmed information that home office shares refugees information with their country of origins but my instinct is that HO must be doing some checks with embassies to know if refugees have obtained new passports.These are confidential things and thats the reason take around 6 months to decide such applications as they caasy out all essential checks.Im just assuming this ,it is also possible that they may be checking only random people .We simply dont know .Caseworkers or senior officials of embassies know that very well.I will declare that passport and reasons led in making of it.If I hide it and later they find out a deception would be imposed as I have used it with govt departments .There are no cases of refugee status cessation when you check online which indicates seldom use of this clause.The worst thing is under current hostile environment policy of ho it seems like a nightmare.
I will share everything here.

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Re: SET (Protection) Route applications

Post by Amber_aziz » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:59 pm

London22 wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:53 pm
Amber_aziz wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:36 pm
London22 wrote:
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Amber_aziz wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:31 pm
Thank you for you replay
I just want to know if HO contatct to Pakistan embassy in time when I apply for refugee ILR??
Please let me know when you get your ILR
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Hi everyone
I have tried to find out cases where refugee status was ceased due to obtaining a new home country's passport and I could only found 1 case of an algerian citizen from 2005 to 2013.If anyone has information or reference of such cases please come forward and share here for guidance.
UNHCR handbook doesnt have a clear explanation in such cases thats why there are no such cases .The lawa states simply that obtaining a national passport in the absence of proof contrary be presumbed that refugee intends to avail the protection of his own country.On the other hand it states refugees may have obtained national passport may be they are constrained due to the circumstances out of their control.Here a refugee has to explain reasons led him to do so.Ridiculously UNHCR states if a refugee renews his national passport his refugee status should not be ceased if that passport is not valid for travel to his country of origin.What the refugee has obtained a passport for then ?In some cases it is allowed for refugees to return to thier home countries for short period so the home office return to home country may usually terminate refugee status term used as headline in asylum revocation policy is not a straightforward.
A refugee should not simply obtain a national passport otherwise his asylum becomes complex and he has to be ready for a fight.It is now too late to teach this lesson to myself ha ha ha.If home office refuses someone ILR on this basis but refugee rebuts the basis his status may be decided afresh.Nobody knows home office exact policy in such cases.The laws are not simple they need interpretation.
Thanks again for your prompt replay.
Pleaae could you tell me me 1 thing home office promised that they will not share any information with refugee home country.
So you saying they do share refugee information with their home country ??????????
Please keep informing me regards your ILR application.
I have few months left for refugee ILR.
Hi Amber
I dont have any confirmed information that home office shares refugees information with their country of origins but my instinct is that HO must be doing some checks with embassies to know if refugees have obtained new passports.These are confidential things and thats the reason take around 6 months to decide such applications as they caasy out all essential checks.Im just assuming this ,it is also possible that they may be checking only random people .We simply dont know .Caseworkers or senior officials of embassies know that very well.I will declare that passport and reasons led in making of it.If I hide it and later they find out a deception would be imposed as I have used it with govt departments .There are no cases of refugee status cessation when you check online which indicates seldom use of this clause.The worst thing is under current hostile environment policy of ho it seems like a nightmare.
I will share everything here.
Thanks again.
I have seen some posts where people's got ilr in 3 months

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