info 4 all EU1 applied for EUFam 4

Hi every one

I applied for Eufam4 2nd April , i was given temp stamp 4 by garda and INIS ..

I went to see Garda Immigration and asked him a general question

What if we dont heard anything before our visa or garda card run out. Then what shall i do

he said you def will heard , So the news is

Waiting time for all non eu spouse for Eufam4 is limited to six month only. It can not be seven months.

If any application took more then six then its not good sign... mates

Good luck

mirzhar wrote:Waiting time for all non eu spouse for Eufam4 is limited to six month only. It can not be seven months.

If any application took more then six then its not good sign... mates

The legal limit is 6 months. You can (but nobody bothers) to sue them if they take longer. But Ireland regularly takes longer than 6 months. It is not a good sign of how well they run this section of government....

mirzhar wrote:Hi every one

I applied for Eufam4 2nd April , i was given temp stamp 4 by garda and INIS ..

I went to see Garda Immigration and asked him a general question

What if we dont heard anything before our visa or garda card run out. Then what shall i do

he said you def will heard , So the news is

Waiting time for all non eu spouse for Eufam4 is limited to six month only. It can not be seven months.

If any application took more then six then its not good sign... mates

Good luck

Mirzhar there is no indication they will refuse you, if your application takes longer than 6 months with them.

The DOJ tends to take chances and keep peoples application longer. You have to send a reminder letter to them about a fortnight before a decision is due.

I am unsure why they feel the need to utilise the full 6 months. The New EU guidelines states that the maximum time should only be used in cases associated with public policy, Health or Security issues .

i m agreed with u obie & directive..

six month its such a long period athough time is passing so quickly still you being left no choice except sit home & wait.

mirzhar wrote:i m agreed with u obie & directive..

six month its such a long period athough time is passing so quickly still you being left no choice except sit home & wait.

Mirzhar, why don't you re-design your CV and apply for positions you have experience in. Alternatively you can do unpaid job to enhance your experience in the Irish work place and get ideas of skills required.

What is your area of specialty.

It won't be easy, but there is no harm trying. That way you can keep yourself busy until they reply you in October.

I am in your situation, but i go to library and do voluntary work for migrant programme, which helps keep my mind occupied for the duration of my application.

I think that will help you a lot. You already have the right to work. You just have to lower your expectation a little. Be a bit flexible on positions too.

mirzhar wrote:...being left no choice except sit home & wait...

Hi mirzhar,

the waiting is not pleasurable, and it is strange that GNIB/DoJ refuse to obey the law in many cases (i.e. stick to the 6 months-limit).

However you should know the following: The card which you will receive at the end of the process (4EUFam) is merely a way to prove that you hold the rights associated with it.

This means: You hold all corresponding rights from second 1 after your arrival to Ireland, it´s just more difficult to prove the same.

Theoretically you can arrive with your spouse at the (air)port, walk over to a shop and start working there immediately. (Provided they employ you)

In other words: There is no need to sit and wait, you need to convince any possible employer that the above is indeed so, and then you can start working.

Another way to think of it is this:

• The law (2004/38/EC) gives you certain rights.
• Also it specifies that you should get a card to prove this.
• Therefore the conditions (identity and marriage to EU-citizen) are checked and subsequently confirmed through this card.
• But you can prove the same through showing your employer your passports and the marriage-certificate.

Biggest problem I see is: How should you convince an employer that this is actually true, when he might as well just hire someone else...

...good luck, rgds, Christian

I thought you could get a six month stamp 4 and work while you waited for the 4EUFam to be processed. Why not in this case?

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:I thought you could get a six month stamp 4 and work while you waited for the 4EUFam to be processed. Why not in this case?

They will send a letter to you instructing you to go and register with the GNIB and collect a temporary Stamp 4, but this is the funny bit. The GNIB will tell you, that they have not received their own letter from the Department of Justice in that regards, and hence they will not register you.

It is all a deliberate tactics aimed at frustrating you and striping you of any rights.

They will tell you to write to the DOJ, but the DOJ will simply ignore your letters, and won'texplain why they sent a letter in bad faith.

The OP already has a temporary Stamp 4, as it seems they sometimes do it randomly. However getting a job with a temporary stamp 4 in this climate can be quite a challenge.

Thx every one

Specially Obie , you are right . I am keeping myself busy in non-paid employment and other stuff.. everything is cool..

There was issue & i am confused abt that. Do someone who had Eu4Fam and travel with his/her wife or husband to UK ? Do non eu citizen need visa to travel to UK . ? What abt if i would like to go paris & i get connecting flight through heathrow ? Do stil need transit visa. .

& second question is five years time period of non-eu family member starts from the day you landed on Spouse visa or after approval of EUfam4 .

thx

mirzhar wrote:Thx every one

Specially Obie , you are right . I am keeping myself busy in non-paid employment and other stuff.. everything is cool..

There was issue & i am confused abt that. Do someone who had Eu4Fam and travel with his/her wife or husband to UK ? Do non eu citizen need visa to travel to UK . ? What abt if i would like to go paris & i get connecting flight through heathrow ? Do stil need transit visa. .

& second question is five years time period of non-eu family member starts from the day you landed on Spouse visa or after approval of EUfam4 .

thx

Mirzhar two options are open to you should you wish to return to the UK.

They are: the spousal visa route( UK national law for spouse of British National), or the EEA family permit route(EU law applied in a controversial manner.)

Alternatively you can travel without a visa under EU rules provided your wife is by your side.

The problem is , if you are returning from a third country, you will need to obtain the EEA permit to enter the UK, or else you won't be allowed to board the flight.

If your trip is between UK-Ireland and back, you need not worry about the visa, if your wife is with you.

I was told , that if you will not be leaving the UK airport and have a connecting flight to a next destination, you do not need a transit visa at all. So you will cover if you transit journey to Ireland from a third country will not require you to leave the UK airport.

Why don't you travel to Paris direct from Ireland?

By the way with EUFam, travel to Paris is Visa free.

Also, your five year starts from the day you enter Ireland.

Did you come in from the UK or elsewhere?