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Interesting points to consider...

Post by Interesting » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:05 pm

When using this website consider some interesting facts about the creators of it...

1). They have offices located in the same building as two small colleges.
2). Those colleges if you visit them on Googlemaps are significantly smaller in size than BITE (British Institute of Technology & E-commerce) a 7 floor structure wholely owned - (Not two rooms) often slandered on this website.
3). Grafton College one of the colleges in the same building is not mentioned on this website at all. Either positively or negatively.
4). Who stands to benefit from Slander?
5). Visit the websites of www.graftoncollege.com & www.bite.ac.uk
6). Note one is .ac.uk a recognised education website.
7). The British Institute has had two visiting ex-presidents of countries has Grafton?
8). The British Institute has messages of encouragement from two current world leaders.
9). The British Institute has affiliations with Universities of a higher ranking than Grafton College (according to The Times).
10). The British Institute has had ambassador visits from different countries representatives.
11. Ask your self is this website impartial?

I'm sure you will agree it is not.

Professional jealousy is a very sad thing I'm sure you will agree.

Slander on the other hand is illegal and could result in legal action being taken, please search current legal cases for slander on public forums as reference for this.

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Post by PaperPusher » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:29 pm

The content on this board is pretty much people's experiences. People saying they have no decision from their application is hardly slander.

What is your interest in BITE?

Being in the same building as a college is hardly a crime, what other evidence of an association between worpermit.com & this college do you have?

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Post by yasa » Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:44 pm

What a waste of time......

I know ppl who did security whole night never studied and pass. at the end copied projects and got MBA form BITE.... lol

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Post by Interesting » Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:42 pm

Dear Paperpusher,

I refer you to Yasa's comments in reference to slander and it is not the only comment of such a nature. As an MBA graduate I happen to know that examinations in each semester have to be passed and then a final dissertation. You must also consider the published pass rate for the MBA hardly suggests cheating.

(To: Yasa -If you know of people working illegally and cheating on MBA's your hardly the kind of person that could be considered a good character witness. Furthermore your unlikely to be speaking the truth.)

If you visit The British Institutes website you will see they use turnitin the anti-cheating system so someone copying someone elses dissertation is impossible or at least towards the realms of impossibility.

I did not mention that I considered it a crime to be located in the same building as a college. I also did not suggest there was a connection between workpermit.com (this website) and grafton college. I merely suggested it was interesting that no positive, negative or in fact any comments were made on this forum about a college located in the same building as this forums offices.

Perhaps as a sage on this forum Paperpusher you would be in a better position to point out any connections with this web site and grafton college.

I wasn't suggesting this website and it's forum offers a bad service. I was just questioning it's impartiality. I also wanted to raise peoples awareness that despite the website having a credible name it may not offer impartial opinions, and includes complete falsehoods.

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Post by yasa » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:04 pm

great work.. :lol:
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Post by Interesting » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:35 pm

You have an unusual sense of humour
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Post by yasa » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:23 am

Interesting wrote:You lack Emaan and Taqwa...
Ive got enough of it and practice it aswell mate.. who the hell r u to tellme whether i got taqwa and emaan or not.. be in your socks buddy N dont try to be over smart...

An idiot like u will always be an idiot.. but anyway its not your fault its the place where u get educated (Bites) in East london whose students r watiting since OCTOBER 08 cuz their institution is being raided by HO for issuing bogus diplomas...
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Post by PaperPusher » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:44 pm

When using this website consider some interesting facts about the creators of it...

1). They have offices located in the same building as two small colleges.
2). Those colleges if you visit them on Googlemaps are significantly smaller in size than BITE (British Institute of Technology & E-commerce) a 7 floor structure wholely owned - (Not two rooms) often slandered on this website.
3). Grafton College one of the colleges in the same building is not mentioned on this website at all. Either positively or negatively.
4). Who stands to benefit from Slander?
5). Visit the websites of www.graftoncollege.com & www.bite.ac.uk
6). Note one is .ac.uk a recognised education website.
7). The British Institute has had two visiting ex-presidents of countries has Grafton?
8). The British Institute has messages of encouragement from two current world leaders.
9). The British Institute has affiliations with Universities of a higher ranking than Grafton College (according to The Times).
10). The British Institute has had ambassador visits from different countries representatives.
11. Ask your self is this website impartial?

I'm sure you will agree it is not.

Professional jealousy is a very sad thing I'm sure you will agree.
1) So what? Hardly unusual to have a college in an office block.
2) So what? Is size the only indicator of quality?
3) So what? perhaps they have very few students, or at least none who have applied for PSW with internally awarded certificates, so no need to go on this board.
4) Back at you, who stands to benefit from slander? What slander do you mean? From who?
5) Why should I? That means nothing.
6) This does not mean that a college without ac.uk is disreputable
7) Reasearch by the FBI has found that people involved in dodgy stuff use visits by ambassadors and other well regarded people to add a sheen of respectability to their business. See this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Degree-Mills-Bi ... 159102238X Learn to look beyond things like that and make your own mind up. This is also a favoured method of paper universities/diploma mills. For example: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/b ... 142514.ece
8) World leaders respond to letters in a very polite way. This means nothing and I would not take letters like that as an endorsement of a business.
9) You are the only one bothered by Grafton college
10) See 7
11) In my experience the moderators are biased towards migrants and helping them, do you believe that is a bad thing? People who have had a bad experience with UKBA and/or certain colleges may not be impartial, and this forum is for people to ask questions and pass on their experience.

What professional jealousy? Who is jealous of who in your opinion?
I merely suggested it was interesting that no positive, negative or in fact any comments were made on this forum about a college located in the same building as this forums offices.
There are no comments about lots of other colleges either, and I do not find that interesting.

If you have an MBA validated or awarded by a proper uni, no need to worry, unless you are worried about moderation from the university?

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Post by Interesting » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:50 pm

Dear PaperPusher, just to clarify in my original posting it is quite clearly directed to people who's second home this website is not.

Also I would like to comment that in no way would I want to discourage people from taking advice from you and others (in general). You offer exceptional quality (in the most part) free advice.

With regard to your links to books and articles, that’s wonderful you have shown you can search on the internet to provide insubstantial evidence to attempt at proving a point. Your posting here does your excellent reputation little damage but it takes the sheen off a tad.

Any reason why you've taken my original posting so personally?

My comments were in no way meant to discredit Grafton College who I'm sure are offering a high quality of education.

I just wanted to show that the small number of posters who try to discredit the British Institute should actually visit the institute and not spread lies about it.

As for does size matter... I'll just leave that one.

With moderators I don't think they do a bad job at all. Passing on experience and spreading lies are completely different things though, and it is very difficult to moderate if you have no personal knowledge of a particular issue.

If systems are in place and have always been in place to protect the integrity of an institute it leaves questions on the part of the posters about the reliability of their accounts.

The professional jealousy comment is just a statement, it didn't require a response.

I admire the work and advice you have offered to those with nowhere else to seek such advice.

As for my comment to Yasa about Emaan and Taqwa I don't think it is appropriate on this forum to write about the topic in detail. However I will state that when someone calls another person an idiot without any knowledge of whom they are, they do not have Taqwa (at least at that moment). I can reference this point further if you would like Yasa but as mentioned I feel it inappropriate here.

There are many words you could have used to describe my comments however you felt a personal attack based on your perceived grading of my intelligence would suffice.

My comments on your level of Emaan & Taqwa were based on your comments and not meant as an off the cuff unsubstantiated insult. I hope you will forgive me if I you thought it insulting.

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Post by yasa » Fri May 01, 2009 12:47 pm

Interesting wrote:Dear PaperPusher, just to clarify in my original posting it is quite clearly directed to people who's second home this website is not.

Also I would like to comment that in no way would I want to discourage people from taking advice from you and others (in general). You offer exceptional quality (in the most part) free advice.

With regard to your links to books and articles, that’s wonderful you have shown you can search on the internet to provide insubstantial evidence to attempt at proving a point. Your posting here does your excellent reputation little damage but it takes the sheen off a tad.

Any reason why you've taken my original posting so personally?

My comments were in no way meant to discredit Grafton College who I'm sure are offering a high quality of education.

I just wanted to show that the small number of posters who try to discredit the British Institute should actually visit the institute and not spread lies about it.

As for does size matter... I'll just leave that one.

With moderators I don't think they do a bad job at all. Passing on experience and spreading lies are completely different things though, and it is very difficult to moderate if you have no personal knowledge of a particular issue.

If systems are in place and have always been in place to protect the integrity of an institute it leaves questions on the part of the posters about the reliability of their accounts.

The professional jealousy comment is just a statement, it didn't require a response.

I admire the work and advice you have offered to those with nowhere else to seek such advice.

As for my comment to Yasa about Emaan and Taqwa I don't think it is appropriate on this forum to write about the topic in detail. However I will state that when someone calls another person an idiot without any knowledge of whom they are, they do not have Taqwa (at least at that moment). I can reference this point further if you would like Yasa but as mentioned I feel it inappropriate here.

There are many words you could have used to describe my comments however you felt a personal attack based on your perceived grading of my intelligence would suffice.

My comments on your level of Emaan & Taqwa were based on your comments and not meant as an off the cuff unsubstantiated insult. I hope you will forgive me if I you thought it insulting.

No offense mate....
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Post by yasa » Fri May 01, 2009 12:53 pm

Look up i've changed it....
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Post by PaperPusher » Fri May 01, 2009 8:28 pm

With regard to your links to books and articles, that’s wonderful you have shown you can search on the internet to provide insubstantial evidence to attempt at proving a point. Your posting here does your excellent reputation little damage but it takes the sheen off a tad.
Which of course would be completly different to your postcode search on the internet! Unless you are personally aware of both the college and the owners of this website through something else other than the internet. Surveilance perhaps?

I would like to point out that those were links to information whcih I was already aware of, and therefore I had no need to "search on the internet" for the "evidence". I posted links because I doubted you would take my word for it, and I would not expect you to either. I thought that not many people would have at the forefront of their mind the career of an ex-FBI agent involved in tackling education fraud, but I may of course be wrong.
Any reason why you've taken my original posting so personally?
I haven't taken it personally in the slightest. I simply responded to what I believed were genuine questions that you put forward for consideration. If it was simply a rhetorical device, I apologise for misinterpreting what you posted. I have an interest in higher education generally if that makes my motives in responding a bit clearer.

Nevertheless, perhaps refraining from ad hominem arguments would be more constructive and be more likely to help you make your case.

It is unfortunate that so many people who apparently studied at BITE appear to be having problems with their applications for Tier 1 Post Study Work. This of course may simply be a UK Border Agency internal matter and their cases may be concluded with BITE's reputation intact.

Out of interest, when did you do your qualification at BITE? Was it the MBA you mentioned? Who awarded/validated the MBA you have? Did you have post graduate diploma students in your class? If so, how many were there?

You mentioned Turnitin, that is interesting. Do you think the PGDip students used that? It could certainly help them if they were ever accused of not being genuine BITE students if they had used Turnitin. If not, it is a shame that BITE did not apply the same checks to the diploma students as those doing an MBA. Especially considering both qualifications are supposed to be at level 7 in the national qualification framework.

It is strange to my mind that for a bit of extra work you got an MBA, whereas others settled for an internally awarded diploma. I would have thought that an MBA from a recognised awarding body would have much more mileage than an unrecognised diploma. That is just my opinion of course.
Perhaps as a sage on this forum Paperpusher you would be in a better position to point out any connections with this web site and grafton college.


I am unaware of any connections. Do you believe there is a connection, apart from being located in the same building? If so, why? You could send a private message to John or Vinny if you actually have any specific concerns.

All the best.

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