Ireland Visa for a Swedish Residence card holder

ambre99 · Post by **ambre99** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:51 pm

Hello all,

Me and my husband (non-eu) want to travel to Dublin next month. We haven't booked any tickets yet but when we rang Irish Embassy in Stockholm to get information for the visa they said that we should get tickets to prove that we are both traveling together. However the EU directive says that all we need is a passport to obtain a visa for an EU country. Do the Irish have their own rules?

Appreciate any responses as always.

acme4242 · Post by **acme4242** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:40 pm

problem with the Irish, they will tell you a different story depending on who you ask.

Here is one such official list.
Applying For a Visa to Ireland â€“ Documentation Required

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/VisaDoc2 ... hJan07.doc

Document list from INIS for Irish Visa wrote:

Family Member of EU Citizen
(Lawfully Resident in an EU State)

Spouse/Child

If you are the spouse of an EU citizen, or the child (under 21 years) of an EU citizen or the child of their spouse, and wish to move, with the EU citizen to Ireland, or to join the EU citizen in Ireland, from the EU State in which you currently reside, the following documents are required:

o Application form

o Passport

o Valid Residence Card for EU State

o Marriage Certificate

o Birth Certificate for children under 21 years

Visits

If family members wish to accompany an EU Citizen on a visit to Ireland, or visit their EU family member who is residing in Ireland, all the documentation listed previously should be submitted, plus:

o Evidence that you are accompanying the EU Citizen to Ireland â€“ e.g. return airline/ferry tickets in both names

Or

o Evidence that the EU Citizen is already residing in Ireland

If you say your moving to Ireland, you don't need to have tickets before the visa application process.
but if you are thinking of just a visit they demand tickets... crazy

86ti · Post by **86ti** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:43 pm

Well, the Directive actually says that residence card holders do not need a visa... But this is ignored by Ireland (and the UK) so far.

ambre99 · Post by **ambre99** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:51 pm

Thanks for the quick response.

So can we try to board the plane without a visa and see what happens?

Or can we try to just submit an application without the travel tickets along with a copy of the directive?!!

cheers.

acme4242 · Post by **acme4242** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:03 pm

Are you an EU citizen but not Swedish, so the resident permit is issued under the directive ?

By law, the Irish immigration officer must let you pass if you can provide
other proof, such as marriage cert.
But airline staff can do what they want. and in all the cases that I have
heard of so far, they will refuse you to board. and not refund your ticket.

Stupid blame the Irish Government for making them into quasi-immigration officers, who must check visas, and refusing entry. yet they
seem to be outside the immigration laws and don't need to follow them (so far)

sorry, You will probably need a visa. certainly with the likes of ryanair, who don't care about anything.

good luck either way.

ambre99 · Post by **ambre99** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:59 pm

I am a British Citizen and yes the permit was issued under the directive.

we are planning to drive through Europe and then across to Ireland (Roscoff-cork ferry) for few days and then either drive back or possibly a flight. But we don't plan to decide this till we see how the drive there is.

How can we prove that we are travelling together? Would a car hire booking or hotel reservation work? Can they legally refuse it on the basis of no flight tickets as proof of travelling together?

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:52 pm

ambre99 wrote:Thanks for the quick response.

So can we try to board the plane without a visa and see what happens?

Or can we try to just submit an application without the travel tickets along with a copy of the directive?!!

cheers.

More likely the Airline will not take any chances and refuse to let you board. They get fined you see.

ambre99 · Post by **ambre99** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:51 pm

Hi,

We applied for the long term Irish Visa at the Irish Embassy in Stockholm. They send an email to my husband asking for further details regarding one of the question in the application. This is what they said in the email.

''It is noted that you answered yes to the question Have you ever been refused a visa to another country?
You have to give the details of that refusal, visa to where, when and why. You can outline the reason as a reply to this email.''

My question is can they ask for something like that? My husband was refused a spouse visa in june 2009 for couple of stupid reasons that the British Embassy stated...
Does a refusal from the British have any affect on the outcome of the application for Irish visa?.

86ti · Post by **86ti** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:19 am

ambre99 wrote:My question is can they ask for something like that?

Sure they can. It is standard procedure to ask for the previous travelling/immigration history.

ambre99 wrote:Does a refusal from the British have any affect on the outcome of the application for Irish visa?

Since you are applying under EEA regulations it should not but I can't say whether that would be true in this case...

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