Calculating the time of absence

Bearing in mind the 6 weeks rule, how do I calculate my weekend absences from Ireland?
Examples:
1) If I left Ireland on Friday and came back on Monday, was I away for 4, 3 or 2 days?
2) If I left Ireland on Saturday and came back on Monday, was I away for 3, 2 or 1 day?
3) If I left Ireland on Saturday and came back on Sunday, was I away for 2, 1 or 0 days?

Basically, my question is, do we count both the day of the departure and the day of the arrival or one of them?

Jordans wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:24 pm

Bearing in mind the 6 weeks rule, how do I calculate my weekend absences from Ireland?
Examples:
1) If I left Ireland on Friday and came back on Monday, was I away for 4, 3 or 2 days?
2) If I left Ireland on Saturday and came back on Monday, was I away for 3, 2 or 1 day?
3) If I left Ireland on Saturday and came back on Sunday, was I away for 2, 1 or 0 days?

Basically, my question is, do we count both the day of the departure and the day of the arrival or one of them?

I would suggest that you should send an email to the citizenship on that one. The email address has been provided on the INIS website.

Also please do not forget to share the outcome of that email on this forum.

Thanks,

I did send an email to them regarding the deduction of absences if you are out for more than 6 weeks in a year, they replied back saying we need to deduct those days for reckonable
residency.

My colleague got a response from the Citizenship desk that we need to count only the days when you're fully out, without arrival and departure dates (from team 2) I got a reply that we need to count all days (from team 4). They have ignored my two follow ups where I cite their first response.

printempo2018 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:23 pm

My colleague got a response from the Citizenship desk that we need to count only the days when you're fully out, without arrival and departure dates (from team 2) I got a reply that we need to count all days (from team 4). They have ignored my two follow ups where I cite their first response.

That's kinda confusing then... do we need to count the departure/arrival days or not? Let me try and send them an email as well

Looks like they Do not know the rules themselves. Funny!

keep us posted .... when u hear from them

just send your application a month later that will cover all the arrival and departure days
they will not refuse your application if you apply late !
i applied 2 week after my time was completed just so there will be no complication.

anyway members on this form waiting 18 months to 2 years and still havnt received their approval so 30 days extra wait will get u peace full sleep at night.

"just send your application a month later that will cover all the arrival and departure days "

i really envy those people for whom it is a matter of weeks.
Since I (and lots of my colleagues) was frequently travelling for work (and they accepted this as reckonable residence before November 2017, but not anymore), for many of us the waiting time is in months and years sometimes. so counting arrival and departure days or not counting can be a difference of 3-6 months

printempo2018 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:20 am

"just send your application a month later that will cover all the arrival and departure days "

i really envy those people for whom it is a matter of weeks.
Since I (and lots of my colleagues) was frequently travelling for work (and they accepted this as reckonable residence before November 2017, but not anymore), for many of us the waiting time is in months and years sometimes. so counting arrival and departure days or not counting can be a difference of 3-6 months

is the rule written anywhere ? seems there is no legislative basis or they are ding. A legal challenge is an option i guess.

Hi all,

some of my colleagues were advised by the lawyers that the process in High Court would last a year- a year and a half. so no hope for a quick solution here.

The rule is not written anywhere, according to Citizenship info phone line, "isn't it obvious that you need to deduct those days?" well, only to them.

They haven't replied to my email where i quote another one of their emails (with a different calculation system), it's been 6 days. Please update everyone on what they reply to you - I have a guess they don't reply this question deliberately

guys, here's what I've got from Citizenship today:



Dear Sir/Madam,

Yes the information below is correct.

Regards,

Citizenship Helpdesk Team 3


Citizenship Info
Mail-In Query

From :

To: Citizenship Info <citizenshipinfo@justice.ie>,
cc:
Date : 01/02/2018
Subject: calculating days of absence




Dear Citizenship info teams,

could you please verify that the following is correct? (quoting your email
to my colleague):

Dear Ms. [my colleague's name]

As previously advised, absences totalling 6 weeks or more in a 12 month
period will be deducted in their entirety when calculating reckonable
residency for naturalisation purposes.

The day you leave the State and day you re-enter the State would not be
deducted.

Regards

Citizenship Helpdesk
Team 4



Thus, team 3 and 4 think they should not be deducted, team 2 thinks they should. I kinda suspect that team 3 hasn't really read my email

Team 1 also has the same opinion as Team 3 and 4.

Dear xxxxxxxxxx,

Thank you for your email. Your departure date from the State and the date
you arrive back into the State will not be deducted, only the days that you
are absent from the State are deducted.

Regards

Citizenship Helpdesk
Team 1

Guys in team 2 need to educate themselves

printempo2018 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:55 pm

Hi all,

some of my colleagues were advised by the lawyers that the process in High Court would last a year- a year and a half. so no hope for a quick solution here.

The rule is not written anywhere, according to Citizenship info phone line, "isn't it obvious that you need to deduct those days?" well, only to them.

They haven't replied to my email where i quote another one of their emails (with a different calculation system), it's been 6 days. Please update everyone on what they reply to you - I have a guess they don't reply this question deliberately

I believe that anyone who legally challenges this rule, would do a huge favor to the rest of the fellow immigrants.

another problem with going to court is that it costs 10 000 euro... (they will get back to you if you win the process). so...

Alixlboy wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:54 pm

Team 1 also has the same opinion as Team 3 and 4.

Dear xxxxxxxxxx,

Thank you for your email. Your departure date from the State and the date
you arrive back into the State will not be deducted, only the days that you
are absent from the State are deducted.

Regards

Citizenship Helpdesk
Team 1

Guys in team 2 need to educate themselves

Well in this case my friend can save his assp .. i have to call him and pass on this information... good jobs Lads .. Don't delete the emails ..

printempo2018 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:22 pm

another problem with going to court is that it costs 10 000 euro... (they will get back to you if you win the process). so...

That's too much and probably, that's why INIS have deliberately become so strict on this.

This is the reply I got from Team 1:

Dear Jordans,

Thank you for your email. Please be advised that your departure date from the State and the date you arrived back into the State are not deducted. Only the days that you are absent from the State are deducted.

Regards

Citizenship Helpdesk
Team 1
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Hope it helps!