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Re: chenchooliah V Minister For Justice - Important Judgement On Rights Of EU Citizen Spouses.

Post by Dub2020 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:47 pm

Thanks Karen ,

Did his wife ever excersise E.U. treaty right in Ireland ? Did she stay long here in Ireland ? On what basis inis put allegation of marriage of convenience ?

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Post by karen711 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:03 pm

Dub2020 wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:47 pm
Thanks Karen ,

Did his wife ever excersise E.U. treaty right in Ireland ? Did she stay long here in Ireland ? On what basis inis put allegation of marriage of convenience ?
She did exersize for short time and she did stay for short time.

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Re: chenchooliah V Minister For Justice - Important Judgement On Rights Of EU Citizen Spouses.

Post by Dub2020 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:08 pm

Thanks Karen, I hope it will be easy for everyone of us . Living here over 1.5 decades it’s not easy to go back home.

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Re: chenchooliah V Minister For Justice - Important Judgement On Rights Of EU Citizen Spouses.

Post by griffith » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:15 pm

karen711 wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:35 pm
Tbh best advise for everyone if allegation are made in your application then better of leaving. Department will not listen to u at all not matter what u do or how much taxes u paid. I have 2 garages. Thousand and thousand paid in vat and prsi for 9 years.. they didn't bother for single second to consider this. I closed sold everything and left. Why wud I pay them my taxes when they don't ever bother listening to our problem. Where they don't have give us chance to defend our selves.
Sorry to hear all this. It's an honest advice but everyone should atleast try their luck. After these general elections I hope things will get better in a few months time.
Everyone need to hire a competent and very good lawyer to represent their case.
Stay strong & never Give up!

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Re: chenchooliah V Minister For Justice - Important Judgement On Rights Of EU Citizen Spouses.

Post by Dub2020 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:23 pm

General elections will not change their policy dramatically. Only protest and request inis of our long term stay here.

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Re: chenchooliah V Minister For Justice - Important Judgement On Rights Of EU Citizen Spouses.

Post by karen711 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:50 pm

New election wudnt change anything. Beaurocrates are the one who holds the office and they remains their seats. New minister will join them and they will nag in his ear too:
Very backward system . Do clear one file it taking them over 4 years.. it's shaming

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Post by Dub2020 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:59 pm

And after 4 year holding the file they still refuse the case

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Post by karen711 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:03 pm

More over after providing heals
Of dacuments to inis then they issue u visa then u try to book apointment with gnib then u go their and apply visa then u wait for another 3 week for ur card to arrive after all this u go home and when u back at Dublin airport ,, the officer their humiliates u again with rain of questions .. so humiliating . System all over the place. One of the worst in the world

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Post by Dub2020 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:14 pm

I hope Chenchooliah judgement help everyone. Let’s see what’s the inis policy would be on Chenchooliah judgement. They cannot drag everyone to marriage of convenience and deny them Chenchooliah case. But let’s see how it goes. Any update when inis will announce Chenchooliah policy

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Re: chenchooliah V Minister For Justice - Important Judgement On Rights Of EU Citizen Spouses.

Post by azee81 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:30 pm

karen711 wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:42 pm
Yes completed 5 years. Retention refused. Stamp revoked and section 3 refused after 3 years
what stamp they have revoked if the retention was refused.

why didnt they investigate the marriage during his 5 years permission

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Post by karen711 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:37 pm

Well they didn't

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Post by Finepaddy » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:34 pm

People working with inis is not stupid,they have to investigate cases. U cant blame gov or any department.

Inis is not after individual they are after non EU immigrants. Specially they way all non EU got married in similar way and in same years.
It's a pattern. Believe it or not but mostly non EU have same type of immigration history. So if someone think he can come up with something new then sorry they seen all tricks, all excuses
thanks to UKBA training.
Now after 5 years every second file is coming for retention the same way some people got away with passport in alan shatter time. Now same group of people applying foreign divorces. They are getting issues with foreign divorces. It's never ending process.
We majority think once u get passport then its mission accomplished but no now people are getting letters from DOJ that they are investigating ABC issues in ur file so either explain or u lose ur passport.
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Post by Dub2020 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:48 pm

@finepaddy. Question is not that student changed the status to eufam from student. Question is what forced the students to take this step All got married in same years. It is because minister came up with maximum 7 years policy on student visa, which destroyed majority of students life, ruined their education and potential careers as they cannot complete their education and they did eufam adventures. Everyone has its own story how that 7 year rule impacted their life, so not all the goes to individuals. What policy the department had for timeout students. Why they didn’t let students to complete their education. Why didn’t department review the cases on individual students so those who were progressing in their education should had allowed to complete their education. People life’s are now destroyed and no one cares like these are not human beings.

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Post by Finepaddy » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:48 pm

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Post by Finepaddy » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:53 pm

Dub2020 wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:48 pm
@finepaddy. Question is not that student changed the status to eufam from student. Question is what forced the students to take this step All got married in same years. It is because minister came up with maximum 7 years policy on student visa, which destroyed majority of students life, ruined their education and potential careers as they cannot complete their education and they did eufam adventures. Everyone has its own story how that 7 year rule impacted their life, so not all the goes to individuals. What policy the department had for timeout students. Why they didn’t let students to complete their education. Why didn’t department review the cases on individual students so those who were progressing in their education should had allowed to complete their education. People life’s are now destroyed and no one cares like these are not human beings.
Two time they offer student schemes. What else u want ( instead student or visitor visa they give stamp 4 to everyone ? )
Gov make policy and department implement. Dont understand if 7 year is not enough for anyone, it's like 7 year is not enough so why not give us passport straight away.
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Re: chenchooliah V Minister For Justice - Important Judgement On Rights Of EU Citizen Spouses.

Post by Finepaddy » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:57 pm

Dub2020 wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:48 pm
@finepaddy. Question is not that student changed the status to eufam from student. Question is what forced the students to take this step All got married in same years. It is because minister came up with maximum 7 years policy on student visa, which destroyed majority of students life, ruined their education and potential careers as they cannot complete their education and they did eufam adventures. Everyone has its own story how that 7 year rule impacted their life, so not all the goes to individuals. What policy the department had for timeout students. Why they didn’t let students to complete their education. Why didn’t department review the cases on individual students so those who were progressing in their education should had allowed to complete their education. People life’s are now destroyed and no one cares like these are not human beings.

7 year student rule came in 2011 or 2012 if I m not wrong, shame marriages was happening well before 2005.
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Re: chenchooliah V Minister For Justice - Important Judgement On Rights Of EU Citizen Spouses.

Post by Dub2020 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:01 am

well Student scheme came after 10 years , who knew back then that there will be students scheme in 2018. Also how many of them got visa from scheme ? Only 2000 . Rest either changed their status and left the country.

And 7 years are not always enough if you want to complete your full education plus if you can prove that you are consistent in your education through out these years , there should been a policy to let the students to complete and wind up. But who listened.

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Re: chenchooliah V Minister For Justice - Important Judgement On Rights Of EU Citizen Spouses.

Post by azee81 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:21 am

two ceremonies are lined up for march 2020. if the department was that rigorous in investigating each case there wouldnt be that much invitation gone out.. because most of the case of the same nature as we discuss earlier

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Post by Finepaddy » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:22 am

Dub2020 wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:01 am
well Student scheme came after 10 years , who knew back then that there will be students scheme in 2018. Also how many of them got visa from scheme ? Only 2000 . Rest either changed their status and left the country.

And 7 years are not always enough if you want to complete your full education plus if you can prove that you are consistent in your education through out these years , there should been a policy to let the students to complete and wind up. But who listened.
I dont know if they listen or not but I dont see any harm if u want to write a letter or MOJ. U never know.
Maybe one day someone get benefit from u r letter.

If u have any opinion or idea then why not share with inis.
U have same rights as any irish.
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Post by Finepaddy » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:37 am

azee81 wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:21 am
two ceremonies are lined up for march 2020. if the department was that rigorous in investigating each case there wouldnt be that much invitation gone out.. because most of the case of the same nature as we discuss earlier
More than 10 ceremonies in last 3,4 year so what. Every marriage is not shame marriage.
People are on work permits then irish spous visas. They are getting approvals from last 15,20 years.
But we are talking about retention. 75 % shame marriages women belong to eastern Europe and grooms are non EU.
Go easy on me. I m not gona approve or reject anyone file. Facts are fact.
At least keep ur mind open to any possibility. Inis is not same like 10 years ago.
When ever I read anyone comments then I always wonder u guys mainly focus what u think but u ever think what department thinks?
The best thing anyone can do is pay attention what they are objecting on any ones case.
U can go to high court for some Immigration cases it's in room no 12 or check on list and follow max barrett court room. Court website wont give u full access of any case.
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Re: chenchooliah V Minister For Justice - Important Judgement On Rights Of EU Citizen Spouses.

Post by euspouse07 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:53 am

karen711 wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:37 pm
Well they didn't
Dear Karen,
It is sad to see things are turning in this ugly way.
If you could , please put everything up in chronological order.it would help other people to decide their future course of action.
Like when got married?
When got residence card?
When got revocation ?
When review application was made?
When case was put under chencholiah case?
When application under section 3 was made?
I believe it would be great help for people on the forum to understand the processing of the INIS.
Thanks

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Post by karen711 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:26 am

euspouse07 wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:53 am
karen711 wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:37 pm
Well they didn't
Dear Karen,
It is sad to see things are turning in this ugly way.
If you could , please put everything up in chronological order.it would help other people to decide their future course of action.
Like when got married?
When got residence card?
When got revocation ?
When review application was made?
When case was put under chencholiah case?
When application under section 3 was made?
I believe it would be great help for people on the forum to understand the processing of the INIS.
Thanks
Kindly bar bar chas Mat lo. It's already explained in last few pages. Thanks

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Post by azee81 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:57 pm

but i suppose its not clear to anybody yet that what exactly was happen if you could share the detail that will help

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Post by griffith » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:49 pm

Guys everyone is posting horror stories about their experiences with the minister.
This morning i have met a south asian guy, applied for passport while not being with his spouse(saperated), passport application approved. He is still on temporary stamp. Both husband wife are still resident in ireland.
Please dont ask me any further information as i dont want to share someone else's information here.

N.B: Every case is not the same. Lawyers play a vital role in representing the case.
Stay strong & never Give up!

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Post by euspouse07 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:23 pm

Kindly bar bar chas Mat lo. It's already explained in last few pages. Thanks
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Karen
You took it ill.only insane and unethical person can enjoy other people suffering .
I knew you had put up in past , but I thought it would be better if you compose on one single post.
No one is taking any pleasure out from other’s suffering .we are here to help each other .
I know you are frustrated but don’t vent out anger on fellow board members

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