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Simply send an email with your FOI request. This must be so frustrating! Applicants awaiting approval since 2021 must be prioritised. I will be shocked to see even a single applicant going in the upcoming ceremony from 2023 for those who have already paid. This ceremony should only be open to those from 2021 or 2022.
Have you asked your TD to query on your behalf?
I don't think that would help in this case knowing that there is already a solicitor involved. I think your best bet is to drag them to court now if
I understand wanting your approval and ceremony to arrive as soon as possible, but what I don't understand is why would you hope that others are not selected to be invited to the citizenship ceremony.
What I want is for the backlog for 2021 and 2022 to be cleared before the applicants for 2023 jump ahead of the queue again. Citizenship controls this, not me. If you are one of the 2023 applicants, I wish you the best of luck and hope that you will be invited to the upcoming ceremony. However, there are over 13,000 applicants wishing to become naturalised, and only few from that group has has obtained citizenship (a small number). I am merely acknowledging the unfairness of the situation.AlmostIrish_111 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:54 amI understand wanting your approval and ceremony to arrive as soon as possible, but what I don't understand is why would you hope that others are not selected to be invited to the citizenship ceremony.
2023 applicants did not ask to be prioritized ahead of anyone else, they are just people who sent their documents with the mindset of waiting 2 years like the previous applicants and some were lucky to be used for the trial of the new process.
I hope that everyone from 2021 and 2022 gets their citizenship by the end of this year, but if for this ceremony there are X slots and the number of approved/paid applicants from 2021/2022 is smaller than X, then 2023 applicants should be invited, and happy days for everyone invited. Congrats to them.
I agree, it is unfair that the immigration department allowed for a backlog to get this massive, and for them to wait so long to change the process to make it more expedited. My way of thinking is that we don't know the journey each of us took, and the challenges each had to overcome to get to this waiting list. So I wish that you get your citizenship as soon as humanly possible, and that those in a limbo get taken out of this ridiculous situation. Have a great day my fellow future Irish.User20123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:02 pm
What I want is for the backlog for 2021 and 2022 to be cleared before the applicants for 2023 jump ahead of the queue again. Citizenship controls this, not me. If you are one of the 2023 applicants, I wish you the best of luck and hope that you will be invited to the upcoming ceremony. However, there are over 13,000 applicants wishing to become naturalised, and only few from that group has has obtained citizenship (a small number). I am merely acknowledging the unfairness of the situation.
I respectfully disagree - 2020 applications and before (and there are some) should be prioritized.AlmostIrish_111 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:54 amI understand wanting your approval and ceremony to arrive as soon as possible, but what I don't understand is why would you hope that others are not selected to be invited to the citizenship ceremony.
2023 applicants did not ask to be prioritized ahead of anyone else, they are just people who sent their documents with the mindset of waiting 2 years like the previous applicants and some were lucky to be used for the trial of the new process.
I hope that everyone from 2021 and 2022 gets their citizenship by the end of this year, but if for this ceremony there are X slots and the number of approved/paid applicants from 2021/2022 is smaller than X, then 2023 applicants should be invited, and happy days for everyone invited. Congrats to them.
Bang on!!! This is what I meant when I said "2023 applicants shouldn't be part of the upcoming ceremony when they have over 13000 people to clear before 2023"meself2 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:54 amI respectfully disagree - 2020 applications and before (and there are some) should be prioritized.AlmostIrish_111 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:54 amI understand wanting your approval and ceremony to arrive as soon as possible, but what I don't understand is why would you hope that others are not selected to be invited to the citizenship ceremony.
2023 applicants did not ask to be prioritized ahead of anyone else, they are just people who sent their documents with the mindset of waiting 2 years like the previous applicants and some were lucky to be used for the trial of the new process.
I hope that everyone from 2021 and 2022 gets their citizenship by the end of this year, but if for this ceremony there are X slots and the number of approved/paid applicants from 2021/2022 is smaller than X, then 2023 applicants should be invited, and happy days for everyone invited. Congrats to them.
It's in their best interests to get rid of all pre 2023 applications first - they can then retrain everyone for new guidelines.
It’s much more than 13,000 applications prior to 2023; it’s somewhere in the neighbourhood of 23,000.User20123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:23 amBang on!!! This is what I meant when I said "2023 applicants shouldn't be part of the upcoming ceremony when they have over 13000 people to clear before 2023"meself2 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:54 amI respectfully disagree - 2020 applications and before (and there are some) should be prioritized.AlmostIrish_111 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:54 amI understand wanting your approval and ceremony to arrive as soon as possible, but what I don't understand is why would you hope that others are not selected to be invited to the citizenship ceremony.
2023 applicants did not ask to be prioritized ahead of anyone else, they are just people who sent their documents with the mindset of waiting 2 years like the previous applicants and some were lucky to be used for the trial of the new process.
I hope that everyone from 2021 and 2022 gets their citizenship by the end of this year, but if for this ceremony there are X slots and the number of approved/paid applicants from 2021/2022 is smaller than X, then 2023 applicants should be invited, and happy days for everyone invited. Congrats to them.
It's in their best interests to get rid of all pre 2023 applications first - they can then retrain everyone for new guidelines.
I believe that Group A vs Group B should never have occurred in the first place. Citizenship department has repeatedly stated that they process applications in chronological order, and the fact that the new system was piloted early this year does not imply that applicants from 2023 will/should be given priority over the backlog.AlmostIrish_111 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:17 amI am not saying at any point that pre-2023 shouldn't be prioritized, what I am saying is that the small 2023 group being used for the trial should be used to fill out the ceremony slots if there are any left after the selection of the pre-2023 who are ready for the ceremony.
It is procedurally impossible to use an application received under "process A" to test the end to end of "process B", and as the ministry said in their communication, they are using a small group of 2023 for the trial.
Should all 2023 be prioritized because they are in "process B" ? No.
Should the ministry focus pre-2023? Yes.
I don't know what is the best answer to process the backlog, but making sure that it doesn't continue to grow by changing the process is one of the first steps in BPMN.
Ps. I hope you don't believe that I am trying to prioritize one group over another, my whole intention is to avoid a situation of group A v. group B, and to look at this whole shitshow from a technical standpoint.
Yeah my bad! I always confuse between the evetting consent sent out in May with the number of applicants. You are right, the backlog holds nearly 23000 applicants.sairsint wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:40 amIt’s much more than 13,000 applications prior to 2023; it’s somewhere in the neighbourhood of 23,000.User20123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:23 amBang on!!! This is what I meant when I said "2023 applicants shouldn't be part of the upcoming ceremony when they have over 13000 people to clear before 2023"meself2 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:54 amI respectfully disagree - 2020 applications and before (and there are some) should be prioritized.AlmostIrish_111 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:54 amI understand wanting your approval and ceremony to arrive as soon as possible, but what I don't understand is why would you hope that others are not selected to be invited to the citizenship ceremony.
2023 applicants did not ask to be prioritized ahead of anyone else, they are just people who sent their documents with the mindset of waiting 2 years like the previous applicants and some were lucky to be used for the trial of the new process.
I hope that everyone from 2021 and 2022 gets their citizenship by the end of this year, but if for this ceremony there are X slots and the number of approved/paid applicants from 2021/2022 is smaller than X, then 2023 applicants should be invited, and happy days for everyone invited. Congrats to them.
It's in their best interests to get rid of all pre 2023 applications first - they can then retrain everyone for new guidelines.
No worries. I’m just trying to keep consistent information here.User20123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:44 amYeah my bad! I always confuse between the evetting consent sent out in May with the number of applicants. You are right, the backlog holds nearly 23000 applicants.sairsint wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:40 amIt’s much more than 13,000 applications prior to 2023; it’s somewhere in the neighbourhood of 23,000.User20123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:23 amBang on!!! This is what I meant when I said "2023 applicants shouldn't be part of the upcoming ceremony when they have over 13000 people to clear before 2023"meself2 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:54 amI respectfully disagree - 2020 applications and before (and there are some) should be prioritized.AlmostIrish_111 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:54 amI understand wanting your approval and ceremony to arrive as soon as possible, but what I don't understand is why would you hope that others are not selected to be invited to the citizenship ceremony.
2023 applicants did not ask to be prioritized ahead of anyone else, they are just people who sent their documents with the mindset of waiting 2 years like the previous applicants and some were lucky to be used for the trial of the new process.
I hope that everyone from 2021 and 2022 gets their citizenship by the end of this year, but if for this ceremony there are X slots and the number of approved/paid applicants from 2021/2022 is smaller than X, then 2023 applicants should be invited, and happy days for everyone invited. Congrats to them.
It's in their best interests to get rid of all pre 2023 applications first - they can then retrain everyone for new guidelines.
I do understand the frustration. In other countries the approach taken to clear out the backlog of naturalisation was to change the process, reject all applications that do not fit the new process and tell those people to apply again, which is something that happened to me after 3 years waiting for my application to be processed, so I do understand the stress and pain.User20123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:43 amI believe that Group A vs Group B should never have occurred in the first place. Citizenship department has repeatedly stated that they process applications in chronological order, and the fact that the new system was piloted early this year does not imply that applicants from 2023 will/should be given priority over the backlog.
I can see from your application timelines that you applied this year and are one of the fortunate applicants to be in the pool for the trail system. However, no one can understand our frustration unless they are in our position. Next month, I will reach my 19-month threshold, while others have been waiting for over 23 months. This trail system is unquestionably a setback for old applicants who have been eagerly awaiting naturalisation.
Their claims amaze me to be very honest.sairsint wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:05 pmNo worries. I’m just trying to keep consistent information here.User20123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:44 amYeah my bad! I always confuse between the evetting consent sent out in May with the number of applicants. You are right, the backlog holds nearly 23000 applicants.sairsint wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:40 amIt’s much more than 13,000 applications prior to 2023; it’s somewhere in the neighbourhood of 23,000.User20123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:23 amBang on!!! This is what I meant when I said "2023 applicants shouldn't be part of the upcoming ceremony when they have over 13000 people to clear before 2023"meself2 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:54 amI respectfully disagree - 2020 applications and before (and there are some) should be prioritized.AlmostIrish_111 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:54 am
I understand wanting your approval and ceremony to arrive as soon as possible, but what I don't understand is why would you hope that others are not selected to be invited to the citizenship ceremony.
2023 applicants did not ask to be prioritized ahead of anyone else, they are just people who sent their documents with the mindset of waiting 2 years like the previous applicants and some were lucky to be used for the trial of the new process.
I hope that everyone from 2021 and 2022 gets their citizenship by the end of this year, but if for this ceremony there are X slots and the number of approved/paid applicants from 2021/2022 is smaller than X, then 2023 applicants should be invited, and happy days for everyone invited. Congrats to them.
It's in their best interests to get rid of all pre 2023 applications first - they can then retrain everyone for new guidelines.
It’s that very high number which makes me find it nearly impossible to believe that most/all of the pre-2023 applicants will be naturalised this year, as the ISD previously claimed.
At what stage are you?simrancollops wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 4:27 pmApplied June 2021... very little progress. Got slightly excited when they asked for more info about 6 months ago, but nothing since.
Its very dispiriting to hear that people who applied in Jan 2023 are already getting approved. Nothing against them, I hope we all get there eventually, but its very unfair that there is quite obvious queue skipping involved.
I would highly encourage to enquire through your MP about your application. As a fellow 2021 applicant, I hoped most, if not all, are at the final stage.
