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Re: Citizenship Applications From 2021 Pending Approval

Post by expatlux » Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:42 pm

expatlux wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:06 am
Hi folks, I applied for naturalisation in January 2021 based on my Irish citizen young child (we are both resident in Ireland). At the two year mark I emailed (for the first time) requesting an update as all the time estimates had elapsed, I essentially received a form letter email reply indicating my application was 'progressing normally'. I don't *yet* want to do a freedom of information request in my file butt perhaps soon. Any advice on what else to do but wait, and when I might decide to submit a FOI request? Thanks :)
I applied for naturalisation ***34 months ago***. How does one go about requesting a FOI request or judicial review? I think I'll ask my TD to follow up also based on other recent comments I see here. Any other advice is very welcome, I had thought I would long be Irish by this point.

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Re: Citizenship Applications From 2021 Pending Approval

Post by Vadrar » Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:55 pm

expatlux wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:42 pm
expatlux wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:06 am
Hi folks, I applied for naturalisation in January 2021 based on my Irish citizen young child (we are both resident in Ireland). At the two year mark I emailed (for the first time) requesting an update as all the time estimates had elapsed, I essentially received a form letter email reply indicating my application was 'progressing normally'. I don't *yet* want to do a freedom of information request in my file butt perhaps soon. Any advice on what else to do but wait, and when I might decide to submit a FOI request? Thanks :)
I applied for naturalisation ***34 months ago***. How does one go about requesting a FOI request or judicial review? I think I'll ask my TD to follow up also based on other recent comments I see here. Any other advice is very welcome, I had thought I would long be Irish by this point.
FOI: https://www.gov.ie/en/service/839fb-mak ... i-request/
JR: you’ll need to select an immigration solicitor and make the JR application through them

I’d definitely start via your TD. JR will get you a decision but will take time and money. A TD question will be quicker (if they aren’t asleep at the wheel) and free.

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Re: Citizenship Applications From 2021 Pending Approval

Post by meself2 » Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:58 pm

expatlux wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:42 pm
expatlux wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:06 am
Hi folks, I applied for naturalisation in January 2021 based on my Irish citizen young child (we are both resident in Ireland). At the two year mark I emailed (for the first time) requesting an update as all the time estimates had elapsed, I essentially received a form letter email reply indicating my application was 'progressing normally'. I don't *yet* want to do a freedom of information request in my file butt perhaps soon. Any advice on what else to do but wait, and when I might decide to submit a FOI request? Thanks :)
I applied for naturalisation ***34 months ago***. How does one go about requesting a FOI request or judicial review? I think I'll ask my TD to follow up also based on other recent comments I see here. Any other advice is very welcome, I had thought I would long be Irish by this point.
Have you not done anything?? It's a HUGE amount of time.

You should go with both FOI and contacting your TD - I think they forgot about you (unless there's a reason for the delay, eg you committed crimes).

For FOI, it's simple, you fill out a form, send email to foi@justice.ie with this form and your ID, get your records back. See ireland/foi-foe-citizenship-application-t314235.html

For TD, even easier - look up your TDs on oireachtas.ie/en/members , pick one that you prefer (and maybe from the party that supports immigrants), send them an email on their Oireachtas mailbox saying "thats my name, I live in [address] (so they know you're their constituent), I havent had progress on my application for almost 3 years, havent heard from ISD, here's my application number, can you ssk them for me on INISOireachtasMail@justice.ie ?"
I did that - they asked about my application tomorrow and I got a response the next day (forwarded to me from TD) that they're working on my application.

If none of those make progress in a few weeks, see post2020380.html#p2020380 about a JR.
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Re: Citizenship Applications From 2021 Pending Approval

Post by mrjones92 » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:37 pm

expatlux wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:42 pm
expatlux wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:06 am
Hi folks, I applied for naturalisation in January 2021 based on my Irish citizen young child (we are both resident in Ireland). At the two year mark I emailed (for the first time) requesting an update as all the time estimates had elapsed, I essentially received a form letter email reply indicating my application was 'progressing normally'. I don't *yet* want to do a freedom of information request in my file butt perhaps soon. Any advice on what else to do but wait, and when I might decide to submit a FOI request? Thanks :)
I applied for naturalisation ***34 months ago***. How does one go about requesting a FOI request or judicial review? I think I'll ask my TD to follow up also based on other recent comments I see here. Any other advice is very welcome, I had thought I would long be Irish by this point.
Hi, apologies if I'm duplicating any answers if there were on previous pages, but I assume, expatlux, that you got a competent legal advice before submitting application for naturalisation on the basis of Irish citizen child.

Such application would be 'an application based on Irish descent or associations' and it takes 30 months to process - yours is taking longer anyway

Plus it is unlikely to be approved as citizenship is generally by descent (i.e. parents, grandparents) and not by ascent (children)

https://www.irishimmigration.ie/how-to- ... ociations/

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Re: Citizenship Applications From 2021 Pending Approval

Post by expatlux » Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:22 pm

Vadrar wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:55 pm
expatlux wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:42 pm
expatlux wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:06 am
Hi folks, I applied for naturalisation in January 2021 based on my Irish citizen young child (we are both resident in Ireland). At the two year mark I emailed (for the first time) requesting an update as all the time estimates had elapsed, I essentially received a form letter email reply indicating my application was 'progressing normally'. I don't *yet* want to do a freedom of information request in my file butt perhaps soon. Any advice on what else to do but wait, and when I might decide to submit a FOI request? Thanks :)
I applied for naturalisation ***34 months ago***. How does one go about requesting a FOI request or judicial review? I think I'll ask my TD to follow up also based on other recent comments I see here. Any other advice is very welcome, I had thought I would long be Irish by this point.
FOI: https://www.gov.ie/en/service/839fb-mak ... i-request/
JR: you’ll need to select an immigration solicitor and make the JR application through them

I’d definitely start via your TD. JR will get you a decision but will take time and money. A TD question will be quicker (if they aren’t asleep at the wheel) and free.
Thanks, I'll get onto my local TD.

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Re: Citizenship Applications From 2021 Pending Approval

Post by expatlux » Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:24 pm

meself2 wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:58 pm
expatlux wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:42 pm
expatlux wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:06 am
Hi folks, I applied for naturalisation in January 2021 based on my Irish citizen young child (we are both resident in Ireland). At the two year mark I emailed (for the first time) requesting an update as all the time estimates had elapsed, I essentially received a form letter email reply indicating my application was 'progressing normally'. I don't *yet* want to do a freedom of information request in my file butt perhaps soon. Any advice on what else to do but wait, and when I might decide to submit a FOI request? Thanks :)
I applied for naturalisation ***34 months ago***. How does one go about requesting a FOI request or judicial review? I think I'll ask my TD to follow up also based on other recent comments I see here. Any other advice is very welcome, I had thought I would long be Irish by this point.
Have you not done anything?? It's a HUGE amount of time.

You should go with both FOI and contacting your TD - I think they forgot about you (unless there's a reason for the delay, eg you committed crimes).

For FOI, it's simple, you fill out a form, send email to foi@justice.ie with this form and your ID, get your records back. See ireland/foi-foe-citizenship-application-t314235.html

For TD, even easier - look up your TDs on oireachtas.ie/en/members , pick one that you prefer (and maybe from the party that supports immigrants), send them an email on their Oireachtas mailbox saying "thats my name, I live in [address] (so they know you're their constituent), I havent had progress on my application for almost 3 years, havent heard from ISD, here's my application number, can you ssk them for me on INISOireachtasMail@justice.ie ?"
I did that - they asked about my application tomorrow and I got a response the next day (forwarded to me from TD) that they're working on my application.

If none of those make progress in a few weeks, see post2020380.html#p2020380 about a JR.
Thanks all the detail you provided is super helpful!

I waited patiently like the polite Canadian I am, and followed up in January at the two-year mark, and today, both resulted in an auto-reply that they are working on my application. I knew there was a massive backlog but now that online applications are being processed ahead of mine I feel a bit silly for waiting.

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Re: Citizenship Applications From 2021 Pending Approval

Post by expatlux » Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:29 pm

mrjones92 wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:37 pm
expatlux wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:42 pm
expatlux wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:06 am
Hi folks, I applied for naturalisation in January 2021 based on my Irish citizen young child (we are both resident in Ireland). At the two year mark I emailed (for the first time) requesting an update as all the time estimates had elapsed, I essentially received a form letter email reply indicating my application was 'progressing normally'. I don't *yet* want to do a freedom of information request in my file butt perhaps soon. Any advice on what else to do but wait, and when I might decide to submit a FOI request? Thanks :)
I applied for naturalisation ***34 months ago***. How does one go about requesting a FOI request or judicial review? I think I'll ask my TD to follow up also based on other recent comments I see here. Any other advice is very welcome, I had thought I would long be Irish by this point.
Hi, apologies if I'm duplicating any answers if there were on previous pages, but I assume, expatlux, that you got a competent legal advice before submitting application for naturalisation on the basis of Irish citizen child.

Such application would be 'an application based on Irish descent or associations' and it takes 30 months to process - yours is taking longer anyway

Plus it is unlikely to be approved as citizenship is generally by descent (i.e. parents, grandparents) and not by ascent (children)

https://www.irishimmigration.ie/how-to- ... ociations/
I wouldn't say such an application is 'unlikely' to be approved, I'm a permanent resident on a Stamp 4 EUFAM living in Ireland with my Irish citizen child. Family reunification is a pretty important category.

"Applications for family reunification will be refused where a party to an application is a threat to public security, public policy or public health." & "Special consideration will also be given to cases where one of the parties concerned is an Irish citizen child." both quoted from https://www.irishimmigration.ie/wp-cont ... cation.pdf

We'll see what reply a TD gets.

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Re: Citizenship Applications From 2021 Pending Approval

Post by meself2 » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:02 pm

expatlux wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:29 pm
mrjones92 wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:37 pm
expatlux wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:42 pm
expatlux wrote:
Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:06 am
Hi folks, I applied for naturalisation in January 2021 based on my Irish citizen young child (we are both resident in Ireland). At the two year mark I emailed (for the first time) requesting an update as all the time estimates had elapsed, I essentially received a form letter email reply indicating my application was 'progressing normally'. I don't *yet* want to do a freedom of information request in my file butt perhaps soon. Any advice on what else to do but wait, and when I might decide to submit a FOI request? Thanks :)
I applied for naturalisation ***34 months ago***. How does one go about requesting a FOI request or judicial review? I think I'll ask my TD to follow up also based on other recent comments I see here. Any other advice is very welcome, I had thought I would long be Irish by this point.
Hi, apologies if I'm duplicating any answers if there were on previous pages, but I assume, expatlux, that you got a competent legal advice before submitting application for naturalisation on the basis of Irish citizen child.

Such application would be 'an application based on Irish descent or associations' and it takes 30 months to process - yours is taking longer anyway

Plus it is unlikely to be approved as citizenship is generally by descent (i.e. parents, grandparents) and not by ascent (children)

https://www.irishimmigration.ie/how-to- ... ociations/
I wouldn't say such an application is 'unlikely' to be approved, I'm a permanent resident on a Stamp 4 EUFAM living in Ireland with my Irish citizen child. Family reunification is a pretty important category.

"Applications for family reunification will be refused where a party to an application is a threat to public security, public policy or public health." & "Special consideration will also be given to cases where one of the parties concerned is an Irish citizen child." both quoted from https://www.irishimmigration.ie/wp-cont ... cation.pdf

We'll see what reply a TD gets.
How logn have you been residing in the country?

There was a case on someone on forums, who applied with Irish associations after 3 years' time - they just held his application for about 2 years, so he can rack up reckonable residence - post2049341.html#p2049341
They might do the same in this case.

While technically you're right about the importance of a family reunification, at the moment the reunificatino duty is satisfied by Irish government via 4EUFAM - you can stay, live and travel with your Irish citizen child.
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