Citizenship Applications From 2021 Pending Approval

expatlux wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:58 pm

Late reply to say thanks for your response. Fair point about family reunification being satisfied by my permanent residency. I've lived in Ireland for six years now (child will be five next year), I applied as soon as I met the minimum residency required. I'm going to submit a FOI request and we'll see what happens.

meself2 wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:01 pm

expatlux wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:58 pm

Late reply to say thanks for your response. Fair point about family reunification being satisfied by my permanent residency. I've lived in Ireland for six years now (child will be five next year), I applied as soon as I met the minimum residency required. I'm going to submit a FOI request and we'll see what happens.

If you applied in 2021 and it's been 3 years, but you're in Ireland for 6 years, do you mean you satisfied the requirement by living in Ireland for 3 years? You're in for a wait then, I'm afraid; probably another year or two. I applied after 5 years and waited for another 2 so they make a decision - assuming they put your case on a shelf until you rack up 5 years, that's the possible timeline you're looking at.

meself2 wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:01 pm

expatlux wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:58 pm

Late reply to say thanks for your response. Fair point about family reunification being satisfied by my permanent residency. I've lived in Ireland for six years now (child will be five next year), I applied as soon as I met the minimum residency required. I'm going to submit a FOI request and we'll see what happens.

If you applied in 2021 and it's been 3 years, but you're in Ireland for 6 years, do you mean you satisfied the requirement by living in Ireland for 3 years? You're in for a wait then, I'm afraid; probably another year or two. I applied after 5 years and waited for another 2 so they make a decision - assuming they put your case on a shelf until you rack up 5 years, that's the possible timeline you're looking at.

expatlux wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:48 am

meself2 wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:01 pm

expatlux wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:58 pm

Late reply to say thanks for your response. Fair point about family reunification being satisfied by my permanent residency. I've lived in Ireland for six years now (child will be five next year), I applied as soon as I met the minimum residency required. I'm going to submit a FOI request and we'll see what happens.

If you applied in 2021 and it's been 3 years, but you're in Ireland for 6 years, do you mean you satisfied the requirement by living in Ireland for 3 years? You're in for a wait then, I'm afraid; probably another year or two. I applied after 5 years and waited for another 2 so they make a decision - assuming they put your case on a shelf until you rack up 5 years, that's the possible timeline you're looking at.

Yes, the information I was working with (perhaps erroneously) was that 3 of five years reckonable residency would be sufficient, the same as someone with an Irish spouse (presumably because a child is still a first degree relative). The appropriate citizen's info page has this to say: "For spouses and civil partners of Irish citizens, you can apply for naturalisation after 3 years of marriage or civil partnership and 3 years of reckonable residence on the island of Ireland." FOI request sent, we'll see if I get to become Irish in 2024.

iainke2 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:04 pm

Does anyone know when the next ceremony(-ies) might be held? I saw someone in the "2021 Timelines Only" thread suggest maybe March 2024, but I can't find anything on that on the Department website.

Also, is there anything else I can or need to do at this point? My timelines are below. This process and the timelines for my application are beyond ludicrous, but I'm assuming I can only "wait and see" at this point?!

Application Based On: NON-EU - 5 years
Applied Date: 20/10/2021
Application received Date: 20/10/2021
Acknowledgement Date: 03/06/2022 receipt+ acknowledgement (but no passport submitted with application )
E-Vetting Invitation received (by email NOT POST): 03/10/23
E-Vetting Link received by email: 13/11/2023
E-Vetting Disclosure viewed: 29/11/2023
Approval: No Update

Fred13 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:28 pm

iainke2 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:04 pm

Does anyone know when the next ceremony(-ies) might be held? I saw someone in the "2021 Timelines Only" thread suggest maybe March 2024, but I can't find anything on that on the Department website.

Also, is there anything else I can or need to do at this point? My timelines are below. This process and the timelines for my application are beyond ludicrous, but I'm assuming I can only "wait and see" at this point?!

Application Based On: NON-EU - 5 years
Applied Date: 20/10/2021
Application received Date: 20/10/2021
Acknowledgement Date: 03/06/2022 receipt+ acknowledgement (but no passport submitted with application )
E-Vetting Invitation received (by email NOT POST): 03/10/23
E-Vetting Link received by email: 13/11/2023
E-Vetting Disclosure viewed: 29/11/2023
Approval: No Update

Hi there, I applied around 3 months after you Feb 2022 and my e-Vetting disclosure was in July 2023 and after nearly 7 months, no news from approval. I also have NOT been asked to provide any additional documents...

Vadrar wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:19 pm

expatlux wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:48 am

meself2 wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:01 pm

expatlux wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:58 pm

Late reply to say thanks for your response. Fair point about family reunification being satisfied by my permanent residency. I've lived in Ireland for six years now (child will be five next year), I applied as soon as I met the minimum residency required. I'm going to submit a FOI request and we'll see what happens.

If you applied in 2021 and it's been 3 years, but you're in Ireland for 6 years, do you mean you satisfied the requirement by living in Ireland for 3 years? You're in for a wait then, I'm afraid; probably another year or two. I applied after 5 years and waited for another 2 so they make a decision - assuming they put your case on a shelf until you rack up 5 years, that's the possible timeline you're looking at.

Yes, the information I was working with (perhaps erroneously) was that 3 of five years reckonable residency would be sufficient, the same as someone with an Irish spouse (presumably because a child is still a first degree relative). The appropriate citizen's info page has this to say: "For spouses and civil partners of Irish citizens, you can apply for naturalisation after 3 years of marriage or civil partnership and 3 years of reckonable residence on the island of Ireland." FOI request sent, we'll see if I get to become Irish in 2024.

I think the more relevant information in your case comes from the Associations guidance (https://www.irishimmigration.ie/how-to- ... ociations/) rather than spousal applications.

They discuss association by ascent specifically here:

'Irish association by ‘ascent’
As citizenship is generally by descent, an application claiming an Irish association by ‘ascent’ (i.e. based on being the parent of Irish citizen children) or through Irish citizen siblings is not considered as sufficient to warrant or justify recommending the Minister exercise absolute discretion to waive the statutory conditions, in the absence of exceptional and compelling reasons.'

Even in the stronger case of association by descent there seems to be very few cases anymore where the residency requirement is waived. I'm not sure they ever consider association by ascent as being sufficient grounds to waive residency periods. In descent cases, typically a 3 year residency application is sat on for two years and the applicant is then approached to provide evidence of two additional years of residency (at prevailing proof standards - ie 150 points of Type A and Type B) and then processing time starts. This is why they quote 30 months processing time - 2 years to sit on a 3 year residency application, and then time to request 2 more years of residency proof. I imagine that is what is happening with your application.

iainke2 wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:13 pm

Hello everyone,

I'm still waiting. Apparently, I'm one of the 2,059. https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/q ... naturalise

My timelines are as follows:
Applied Date: 20/10/2021
Application received Date: 21/10/2021
Acknowledgement: 03/06/2022 letter + payment receipt (but, no passport submitted with application)
E-Vetting Invitation received (by email): 03/10/23
E-Vetting Link received by email: 13/11/2023
E-Vetting Disclosure viewed: 29/11/2023

To summarize, it's been almost 29 months since I submitted my application (paper application), and about 22 months since my acknowledgment letter (which stated 23 months..., but I've never known if that's from the date of submission or the date of the acknowledgement letter). And yep, I'm one of the folks for whom the Division completely lost a passport, to which of course they won't own up.

I emailed the Division asking for an update on 28 Jan 2024, I included the timeline information above, and they replied on 02 Feb 2024 only with, "Dear Sir/Madam, Thank you for your email. Processing of your application is well advanced and you will be informed of the Ministers decision in due course." They don't even address me by name, and clearly didn't even look up my application. Since then, I've emailed them once a month, and plan to continue doing so. Nothing since 02 Feb.

I know I'm not alone. I'm just so frustrated seeing all the posts from people who've applied since me (or even since Jan 2023) who are fully naturalized and carrying passports. I'm of course delighted for them, but the lack of feedback/updates/information from the Division and the false claims about taking applications in the order of receipt is infuriating. Every day, I think, "will the letter be in the post." I don't think that the people in the Division understand how important it is and how distressing it can be to continue waiting. I just want it done, so I can stop worrying about it.

The Minister claims in most of her templated parliamentary question responses that her Department is regularly contacting applicants who are still waiting, but I've an example of an email blast that was sent last year that I never received. I included that example in an email to one of my TDs, a local City Cllr, and ultimately to the Minister's office directly (which I think finally led to my e-vetting invitation). I'm worried something as simple as an incorrectly transcribed email address into the distribution list has prevented me from receiving any updates from the Division.

So,...
1. Anyone still waiting for a decision (from any years, but especially from 2021), have you received any updates from the Division that would have been sent to all applicants within the last 4 months? If so, would you share that, please?

2. Any advice on if and what I should do at this point? Just wait? Pursue a JR?

In the meantime, it's imminently time for me to renew my Stamp 4... Sigh.

iainke2 wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:13 pm

Hello everyone,

2. Any advice on if and what I should do at this point? Just wait? Pursue a JR?

In the meantime, it's imminently time for me to renew my Stamp 4... Sigh.

JohnX wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:07 am

iainke2 wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:13 pm

Hello everyone,

2. Any advice on if and what I should do at this point? Just wait? Pursue a JR?

In the meantime, it's imminently time for me to renew my Stamp 4... Sigh.

Hi,
Send an email to foi@justice.ie . State that you are applying under " Freedom of Information Act 2014 ", requesting all records held by Immigration. Give as much detail as possible to enable them to quickly find your records. You should state the point in the application where the hold-up has occurred.

Attach the ID page of your passport.

They must reply within two weeks and provide the information within four weeks.
Best of luck

iainke2 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:03 pm

My thanks to all of you for the responses so far.

I've not contacted a solicitor mostly on principle. Getting the application looked at (in a reasonable timeframe) should NOT require that kind of pressure, and frankly I didn't want to spend the money.

I applied for an FOI last year, probably about 12 months ago. The initial response was basically a rejection of my request. I was rather specific about what documents I wanted them to share. I appealed the initial decision and was basically given a complete scanned copy of the almost exactly 500 pages printed that I submitted initially. Alas, no evidence of an inventory taken of the contents of my submission package, and therefore no evidence of the missing passport.

And, an update! What a coincidence (?) that the day after my post, someone in the Division finally replied to my emails. They warned me that an official letter would be received by post requesting that I submit a police clearance report/certificate. So now, does anyone know if that needs to be apostilled before I submit it?

I submitted the Police clearence cert when i applied for my naturalisation. If they have requested it, then provide the same asap.

Thanks again for your support and suggestions.