citizenship refused on basis of good character

hi folks i have friend of mine who's citizenship was refused on the basis of good character . he had 5 traffic violations including speeding , driving without insurance and no driving license

he history is came in 1999. married to French national in 2002 status granted in 2003 and since then living here in Ireland 4 kidz all Irish national

working as a cab driver , claim jobseeker in 2007 for six month .

getting family income support . becz no job in 2009 (Does FIS effect on citizenship)

any advice ?? thx

What I know that, there is no appeal system regarding the refusal of the citizenship application.
but can you clarify what they wrote as a reason for refusal
is it only the Good chracter issue or also being burdon on the state.which one of those were the reason of the refusal or both togeather.
Please check the letter they sent to your friend and feed us back.

the letter says

Dear Mr.........

I am directed by the Minister for justice and Equality to refer your application for a certificate of naturalization
The Minister has consider your application under the provisions of the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Acts 1956 and 1986 as amended and has decided not to grant a certificate of naturalization
A copy of the submission that was prepared for the Minister , with his decision annotated thereon, is enclosed for your information.In reaching this decision, Minister has exercised his absolute discretion, as provided by the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act 1956 & 1686 as amended. There is no appeals process provided under this legislation.However you should be aware that may re-apply for the grant of a certificate of naturalization at any time. When considering making such a re-application you should give due regard to the reason for refusal given in the attached submission.

Yours Sincerely

............


And in the attached letter it says regarding the good character ......that he had 4 previous convictions and also social welfare report is attached since 2002 .......2011

One of the big problems is not the actual criminal offences, but the fact that some may not have disclosed it in the application form.

The social welfare requirement - you hve to be self sufficient for 3 years before application.

Wait until the 3 year is up - try to refrain from claiming social for now. The make the application but disclose the offences as stated in the refusal sheet. Get involved in volunteer gropus / chraities etc - show that you are of "reformed" character and heavily involved in the community and of good character. this might help you in your next application. stay out of trouble as road offences are not good for taxi driver's licences/

walrusgumble wrote:One of the big problems is not the actual criminal offences, but the fact that some may not have disclosed it in the application form.

The social welfare requirement - you hve to be self sufficient for 3 years before application.

Wait until the 3 year is up - try to refrain from claiming social for now. The make the application but disclose the offences as stated in the refusal sheet. Get involved in volunteer gropus / chraities etc - show that you are of "reformed" character and heavily involved in the community and of good character. this might help you in your next application. stay out of trouble as road offences are not good for taxi driver's licences/

So walrusgumble,
Can I take your advise regarding my case,
I worked and paid tax and PRSI for 6 years and applied for naturalization, after application by 7 months I become redundant and looked for work but no way then I claimed unemployment benefits and after 10 of drawing the dole I got a new job which I'm in right now for the last 4 months. would they refuse my application?
your opinion is important and I'll be gratitude if you put your input.

IRISH PHAROE wrote:

walrusgumble wrote:One of the big problems is not the actual criminal offences, but the fact that some may not have disclosed it in the application form.

The social welfare requirement - you hve to be self sufficient for 3 years before application.

Wait until the 3 year is up - try to refrain from claiming social for now. The make the application but disclose the offences as stated in the refusal sheet. Get involved in volunteer gropus / chraities etc - show that you are of "reformed" character and heavily involved in the community and of good character. this might help you in your next application. stay out of trouble as road offences are not good for taxi driver's licences/

So walrusgumble,
Can I take your advise regarding my case,
I worked and paid tax and PRSI for 6 years and applied for naturalization, after application by 7 months I become redundant and looked for work but no way then I claimed unemployment benefits and after 10 of drawing the dole I got a new job which I'm in right now for the last 4 months. would they refuse my application?
your opinion is important and I'll be gratitude if you put your input.

no they are suggestions. advice is what you get when going to lawyer.

you only sought social after application and now refused? maybe you should personally write to the minister to seek a review. Even if you don't get citizenship, your legal status is unlikely be effected and you will still be on the dole and going no where, so is there any point refusing one citizenship in cases like yours? You were then lucky to get a new job. you should write to the minister in his dail address and department address in st stephen's green

if you are making it now, it maybe possible that you will be refused, but you should make submissions on why it would not be fair to refuse after such as short period. any irish kids ? - put that in. evidence of integration eg charity groups/volunteer groups - join now. submission along with the application should set this out

walrusgumble's view here is very good. You need to wait and demonstrate good character before they can re-consider you for citizenship. This is a good 10 years in wating at least...Damn.

nanette

walrusgumble wrote:One of the big problems is not the actual criminal offences, but the fact that some may not have disclosed it in the application form.

The social welfare requirement - you hve to be self sufficient for 3 years before application.

Wait until the 3 year is up - try to refrain from claiming social for now. The make the application but disclose the offences as stated in the refusal sheet. Get involved in volunteer gropus / chraities etc - show that you are of "reformed" character and heavily involved in the community and of good character. this might help you in your next application. stay out of trouble as road offences are not good for taxi driver's licences/

walrusgumble wrote: no they are suggestions. advice is what you get when going to lawyer.

walrusgumble wrote:

IRISH PHAROE wrote:

walrusgumble wrote:One of the big problems is not the actual criminal offences, but the fact that some may not have disclosed it in the application form.

The social welfare requirement - you hve to be self sufficient for 3 years before application.

Wait until the 3 year is up - try to refrain from claiming social for now. The make the application but disclose the offences as stated in the refusal sheet. Get involved in volunteer gropus / chraities etc - show that you are of "reformed" character and heavily involved in the community and of good character. this might help you in your next application. stay out of trouble as road offences are not good for taxi driver's licences/

So walrusgumble,
Can I take your advise regarding my case,
I worked and paid tax and PRSI for 6 years and applied for naturalization, after application by 7 months I become redundant and looked for work but no way then I claimed unemployment benefits and after 10 of drawing the dole I got a new job which I'm in right now for the last 4 months. would they refuse my application?
your opinion is important and I'll be gratitude if you put your input.

no they are suggestions. advice is what you get when going to lawyer.

you only sought social after application and now refused? maybe you should personally write to the minister to seek a review. Even if you don't get citizenship, your legal status is unlikely be effected and you will still be on the dole and going no where, so is there any point refusing one citizenship in cases like yours? You were then lucky to get a new job. you should write to the minister in his dail address and department address in st stephen's green

if you are making it now, it maybe possible that you will be refused, but you should make submissions on why it would not be fair to refuse after such as short period. any irish kids ? - put that in. evidence of integration eg charity groups/volunteer groups - join now. submission along with the application should set this out

NO Walrusgumble, my application still in processing stage as I applied on mid 2009, yes I have 2 Irish born childs,I and my wife are Noe Eu?
What are your suggestions?
should I send them a copy of my children passports?
they did not ask me to submitt further documents yet.

walrusgumble

thanks for your valuable advice....

I have one more question does Family income support on Eu wife name who z husband is non Eu effect on naturalization application for husband ?

Also other benefits like child benefit or maternity benefits effect on husband application ??


thanks

nanette wrote:
walrusgumble's view here is very good. You need to wait and demonstrate good character before they can re-consider you for citizenship. This is a good 10 years in wating at least...Damn.

nanette

walrusgumble wrote:One of the big problems is not the actual criminal offences, but the fact that some may not have disclosed it in the application form.

The social welfare requirement - you hve to be self sufficient for 3 years before application.

Wait until the 3 year is up - try to refrain from claiming social for now. The make the application but disclose the offences as stated in the refusal sheet. Get involved in volunteer gropus / chraities etc - show that you are of "reformed" character and heavily involved in the community and of good character. this might help you in your next application. stay out of trouble as road offences are not good for taxi driver's licences/

I would not go that far, but give it a year or two. It would be a good idea to get involved in all that charity groups etc. Either way, you must mention the offences, people are being refused citizenship simply by not disclosing the facts -

mirzhar wrote:walrusgumble

thanks for your valuable advice....

I have one more question does Family income support on Eu wife name who z husband is non Eu effect on naturalization application for husband ?

Also other benefits like child benefit or maternity benefits effect on husband application ??


thanks

As long as the social is not on your name (non eu person) i can't see how it effects one.

No, child benefit does not effect and certaintly not maternity benefit.