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Re: Employe Permit and Stamp 4 ( Latest Updates

Post by Emr » Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:53 pm

@karen and @finalversion, are your EP application s standard or Trusted partners? Standard application usually take more them 10 weeks

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Re: Employe Permit and Stamp 4 ( Latest Updates

Post by Emr » Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:48 pm

@finalversion, regarding the tricky advise from you solicitor, personally I disagree, based on below two points:
1: if you read the full judgement based on which you have applied EP, Judge allowed that guy for EP as judge mentioned that his stamp 4 will be revoked.

2: the temporary stamp 4 based on review will only be revoked at the time when the decision from review is made but this temporary stamp 4 is a valid stamp prior revokation from review. I have never seen null and void wordings on review decisions but is revoked at the time of decision.

But would love to hear other members thoughts on this.

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Re: Employe Permit and Stamp 4 ( Latest Updates

Post by finalversion_2k » Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:51 am

Emr wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:48 pm
@finalversion, regarding the tricky advise from you solicitor, personally I disagree, based on below two points:
1: if you read the full judgement based on which you have applied EP, Judge allowed that guy for EP as judge mentioned that his stamp 4 will be revoked.

2: the temporary stamp 4 based on review will only be revoked at the time when the decision from review is made but this temporary stamp 4 is a valid stamp prior revocation from review. I have never seen null and void wordings on review decisions but is revoked at the time of decision.

But would love to hear other members thoughts on this.
@Emr : its completely fine if you disagree but it is what it is.. about your second point I didn't mentioned null and void wording on any decision, I wrote I was told by solicitor, please don't take sentence out of context.

I mentioned previously I'll take my chances and I did, now lets see. I wish you best of luck for EP, if you are applying one.. I'll update progress on this post. Thanks.

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Re: Employe Permit and Stamp 4 ( Latest Updates

Post by karen711 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:17 am

I did not go to any solicitor. I applied by my self.its in que. If it gets aproved then OK if not then at least I tried.

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Re: Employe Permit and Stamp 4 ( Latest Updates

Post by AS2021 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:46 am

karen711 wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:17 am
I did not go to any solicitor. I applied by my self.its in que. If it gets aproved then OK if not then at least I tried.
Hi Karen,
Any luck with your application?

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Re: Employe Permit and Stamp 4 ( Latest Updates

Post by finalversion_2k » Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:45 am

Karen applied on 18 Jun.

these days its taking 14 weeks for Normal applications.. and 10 weeks for trusted partner applications. today they are processing applications of 23 April.. to track the EP processing dates.. https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do ... ing-Dates/

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Re: Employe Permit and Stamp 4 ( Latest Updates

Post by AS2021 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:12 pm

finalversion_2k wrote:
Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:45 am
Karen applied on 18 Jun.

these days its taking 14 weeks for Normal applications.. and 10 weeks for trusted partner applications. today they are processing applications of 23 April.. to track the EP processing dates.. https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do ... ing-Dates/
OMG I didn't know this was taking that much!
My solicitor is currently waiting for the Department of Business to do some update on their website mentioning the High Court decision before doing any further step 🙈

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Re: Employe Permit and Stamp 4 ( Latest Updates

Post by finalversion_2k » Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:35 am

finalversion_2k wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:55 pm
Emr wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:36 pm
@finalversion, have you applied for EP yet? Also did you get solicitor s option on this ? If so kindly share their opinion as it would be beneficial for other members
@Emr Sorry for late reply, I decide to submit application first before replying anything.. so now answer to your questions.

Yes EP application is submitted, now have to wait and watch. solicitor is very confident about EP to be approve. but he also Flag that my review application decision will also be important.. lets see..

but he suggest its better we should apply for EP, Reasons: DBEI start following the High Court judgment and accepting/processing EP applications by Stamp4 candidates. Proof is fee section of DBEI web page bottom. where they mentioned about fee for EU spouse.. previously it wasn't there. updated on 22 March after few weeks of court judgment.
karen711 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:13 pm
Yes. I have full filled all the other requirement. Job letter salary experience etc. I don't think so getting IRP card would be a problem once it's approved by the department work visa. U just have to apply only IRP card and withdrawal the application from EU fan. Only problem is I had allegation of marriage of convenience on me not sure if that cause any problem. Keep me in your prayer . It was the last errow that I had and it's it's gone.
@karen711 would you like to share what approach your solicitor suggest after EP.. I was told very honest and tricki thing by my solicitor and that is 'If department still on revoking decision then there will be complications' Reason: because that means when we apply work permit on temp stamps, those stamp were revoked and legally null and void.. you know what I mean. will like to hear what your solicitor told.
well you definitely didn't read this thread completely, thing what your solicitor is waiting for is already on their web. https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do ... mits/Fees/

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Re: Employe Permit and Stamp 4 ( Latest Updates

Post by AS2021 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:25 pm

finalversion_2k wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:35 am
finalversion_2k wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:55 pm
Emr wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:36 pm
@finalversion, have you applied for EP yet? Also did you get solicitor s option on this ? If so kindly share their opinion as it would be beneficial for other members
@Emr Sorry for late reply, I decide to submit application first before replying anything.. so now answer to your questions.

Yes EP application is submitted, now have to wait and watch. solicitor is very confident about EP to be approve. but he also Flag that my review application decision will also be important.. lets see..

but he suggest its better we should apply for EP, Reasons: DBEI start following the High Court judgment and accepting/processing EP applications by Stamp4 candidates. Proof is fee section of DBEI web page bottom. where they mentioned about fee for EU spouse.. previously it wasn't there. updated on 22 March after few weeks of court judgment.
karen711 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:13 pm
Yes. I have full filled all the other requirement. Job letter salary experience etc. I don't think so getting IRP card would be a problem once it's approved by the department work visa. U just have to apply only IRP card and withdrawal the application from EU fan. Only problem is I had allegation of marriage of convenience on me not sure if that cause any problem. Keep me in your prayer . It was the last errow that I had and it's it's gone.
@karen711 would you like to share what approach your solicitor suggest after EP.. I was told very honest and tricki thing by my solicitor and that is 'If department still on revoking decision then there will be complications' Reason: because that means when we apply work permit on temp stamps, those stamp were revoked and legally null and void.. you know what I mean. will like to hear what your solicitor told.
well you definitely didn't read this thread completely, thing what your solicitor is waiting for is already on their web. https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do ... mits/Fees/

Oh you are right! I didn't catch this part was relevant for my case! I'm still not very sure if this would apply to me as I got the stamp based on a de facto partnership.

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Re: Employe Permit and Stamp 4 ( Latest Updates

Post by AS2021 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:29 pm

AS2021 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:25 pm
finalversion_2k wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:35 am
finalversion_2k wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:55 pm
Emr wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:36 pm
@finalversion, have you applied for EP yet? Also did you get solicitor s option on this ? If so kindly share their opinion as it would be beneficial for other members
@Emr Sorry for late reply, I decide to submit application first before replying anything.. so now answer to your questions.

Yes EP application is submitted, now have to wait and watch. solicitor is very confident about EP to be approve. but he also Flag that my review application decision will also be important.. lets see..

but he suggest its better we should apply for EP, Reasons: DBEI start following the High Court judgment and accepting/processing EP applications by Stamp4 candidates. Proof is fee section of DBEI web page bottom. where they mentioned about fee for EU spouse.. previously it wasn't there. updated on 22 March after few weeks of court judgment.
karen711 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:13 pm
Yes. I have full filled all the other requirement. Job letter salary experience etc. I don't think so getting IRP card would be a problem once it's approved by the department work visa. U just have to apply only IRP card and withdrawal the application from EU fan. Only problem is I had allegation of marriage of convenience on me not sure if that cause any problem. Keep me in your prayer . It was the last errow that I had and it's it's gone.
@karen711 would you like to share what approach your solicitor suggest after EP.. I was told very honest and tricki thing by my solicitor and that is 'If department still on revoking decision then there will be complications' Reason: because that means when we apply work permit on temp stamps, those stamp were revoked and legally null and void.. you know what I mean. will like to hear what your solicitor told.
well you definitely didn't read this thread completely, thing what your solicitor is waiting for is already on their web. https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do ... mits/Fees/

Oh you are right! I didn't catch this part was relevant for my case! I'm still not very sure if this would apply to me as I got the stamp based on a de facto partnership.

This would solve all! I'll send this to my solicitor...I'll leave the link in case is helpful for somebody else

https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do ... Nationals/

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Re: Employe Permit and Stamp 4 ( Latest Updates

Post by finalversion_2k » Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:48 am

AS2021 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:29 pm
AS2021 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:25 pm
finalversion_2k wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:35 am
finalversion_2k wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:55 pm
Emr wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:36 pm
@finalversion, have you applied for EP yet? Also did you get solicitor s option on this ? If so kindly share their opinion as it would be beneficial for other members
@Emr Sorry for late reply, I decide to submit application first before replying anything.. so now answer to your questions.

Yes EP application is submitted, now have to wait and watch. solicitor is very confident about EP to be approve. but he also Flag that my review application decision will also be important.. lets see..

but he suggest its better we should apply for EP, Reasons: DBEI start following the High Court judgment and accepting/processing EP applications by Stamp4 candidates. Proof is fee section of DBEI web page bottom. where they mentioned about fee for EU spouse.. previously it wasn't there. updated on 22 March after few weeks of court judgment.
karen711 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:13 pm
Yes. I have full filled all the other requirement. Job letter salary experience etc. I don't think so getting IRP card would be a problem once it's approved by the department work visa. U just have to apply only IRP card and withdrawal the application from EU fan. Only problem is I had allegation of marriage of convenience on me not sure if that cause any problem. Keep me in your prayer . It was the last errow that I had and it's it's gone.
@karen711 would you like to share what approach your solicitor suggest after EP.. I was told very honest and tricki thing by my solicitor and that is 'If department still on revoking decision then there will be complications' Reason: because that means when we apply work permit on temp stamps, those stamp were revoked and legally null and void.. you know what I mean. will like to hear what your solicitor told.
well you definitely didn't read this thread completely, thing what your solicitor is waiting for is already on their web. https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do ... mits/Fees/

Oh you are right! I didn't catch this part was relevant for my case! I'm still not very sure if this would apply to me as I got the stamp based on a de facto partnership.

This would solve all! I'll send this to my solicitor...I'll leave the link in case is helpful for somebody else

https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do ... Nationals/
well you didn't mentioned your status and neither your circumstances OR why you want to apply workpermit when you already have stamp4.. Idea of stamp4 to stamp1 came after guy win case in court. background of case was his stamp was going to revoke that's why court order department of Enterprise should accommodate those applications. Now question is why you want to apply?

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Re: Employe Permit and Stamp 4 ( Latest Updates

Post by finalversion_2k » Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:49 am

AS2021 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:29 pm
AS2021 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:25 pm
finalversion_2k wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:35 am
finalversion_2k wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:55 pm
Emr wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:36 pm
@finalversion, have you applied for EP yet? Also did you get solicitor s option on this ? If so kindly share their opinion as it would be beneficial for other members
@Emr Sorry for late reply, I decide to submit application first before replying anything.. so now answer to your questions.

Yes EP application is submitted, now have to wait and watch. solicitor is very confident about EP to be approve. but he also Flag that my review application decision will also be important.. lets see..

but he suggest its better we should apply for EP, Reasons: DBEI start following the High Court judgment and accepting/processing EP applications by Stamp4 candidates. Proof is fee section of DBEI web page bottom. where they mentioned about fee for EU spouse.. previously it wasn't there. updated on 22 March after few weeks of court judgment.
karen711 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:13 pm
Yes. I have full filled all the other requirement. Job letter salary experience etc. I don't think so getting IRP card would be a problem once it's approved by the department work visa. U just have to apply only IRP card and withdrawal the application from EU fan. Only problem is I had allegation of marriage of convenience on me not sure if that cause any problem. Keep me in your prayer . It was the last errow that I had and it's it's gone.
@karen711 would you like to share what approach your solicitor suggest after EP.. I was told very honest and tricki thing by my solicitor and that is 'If department still on revoking decision then there will be complications' Reason: because that means when we apply work permit on temp stamps, those stamp were revoked and legally null and void.. you know what I mean. will like to hear what your solicitor told.
well you definitely didn't read this thread completely, thing what your solicitor is waiting for is already on their web. https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do ... mits/Fees/

Oh you are right! I didn't catch this part was relevant for my case! I'm still not very sure if this would apply to me as I got the stamp based on a de facto partnership.

This would solve all! I'll send this to my solicitor...I'll leave the link in case is helpful for somebody else

https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do ... Nationals/
well you didn't mentioned your status and neither your circumstances OR why you want to apply workpermit when you already have stamp4.. Idea of stamp4 to stamp1 came after guy win case in court. background of case was his stamp was going to revoke that's why court order department of Enterprise should accommodate those applications. Now question is why you want to apply?

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Re: Employe Permit and Stamp 4 ( Latest Updates

Post by AS2021 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:25 pm

finalversion_2k wrote:
Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:49 am
AS2021 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:29 pm
AS2021 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:25 pm
finalversion_2k wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:35 am
finalversion_2k wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:55 pm
Emr wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:36 pm
@finalversion, have you applied for EP yet? Also did you get solicitor s option on this ? If so kindly share their opinion as it would be beneficial for other members
@Emr Sorry for late reply, I decide to submit application first before replying anything.. so now answer to your questions.

Yes EP application is submitted, now have to wait and watch. solicitor is very confident about EP to be approve. but he also Flag that my review application decision will also be important.. lets see..

but he suggest its better we should apply for EP, Reasons: DBEI start following the High Court judgment and accepting/processing EP applications by Stamp4 candidates. Proof is fee section of DBEI web page bottom. where they mentioned about fee for EU spouse.. previously it wasn't there. updated on 22 March after few weeks of court judgment.
karen711 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:13 pm
Yes. I have full filled all the other requirement. Job letter salary experience etc. I don't think so getting IRP card would be a problem once it's approved by the department work visa. U just have to apply only IRP card and withdrawal the application from EU fan. Only problem is I had allegation of marriage of convenience on me not sure if that cause any problem. Keep me in your prayer . It was the last errow that I had and it's it's gone.
@karen711 would you like to share what approach your solicitor suggest after EP.. I was told very honest and tricki thing by my solicitor and that is 'If department still on revoking decision then there will be complications' Reason: because that means when we apply work permit on temp stamps, those stamp were revoked and legally null and void.. you know what I mean. will like to hear what your solicitor told.
well you definitely didn't read this thread completely, thing what your solicitor is waiting for is already on their web. https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do ... mits/Fees/

Oh you are right! I didn't catch this part was relevant for my case! I'm still not very sure if this would apply to me as I got the stamp based on a de facto partnership.

This would solve all! I'll send this to my solicitor...I'll leave the link in case is helpful for somebody else

https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do ... Nationals/
well you didn't mentioned your status and neither your circumstances OR why you want to apply workpermit when you already have stamp4.. Idea of stamp4 to stamp1 came after guy win case in court. background of case was his stamp was going to revoke that's why court order department of Enterprise should accommodate those applications. Now question is why you want to apply?
Hi,
I currently hold a stamp 4 that is due in a few years based on a de facto partnership but I wish not to co habitate with the EU citizen.
That's basically why I'm seeking to get a Stamp 1.

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