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A follow up to your case contact your EU spouse country's Solvit here. They can demand a reply from the Irish Solvit. *call and email your complaint with necessary info*
Sorry for the outcome. EUTR4 can take 12 months.gulfrador wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:23 am Hi all,
Just to let you know that my EUTR1A application has been refused, reason is “they are not convinced that this is a durable relationship.”
Application date:04/08/2023
Refusal letter:16/04/2024
I live together with my girlfriend since 2 years and provided rent, utility bills, pics etc. and they are still not convinced, this application took us 8.5 months and got refused.
I have two questions,
1- How long it takes EU4 review application?
2- During EU4 application do they provide a visa stamp?
My visa has been expired and they mentioned in letter that if I don’t apply to EU4 in 15 days then I might be deported.
Thank you all for help!
Thank you Angel, you have been very helpful:)Angel99 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:24 amSorry for the outcome. EUTR4 can take 12 months.gulfrador wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:23 am Hi all,
Just to let you know that my EUTR1A application has been refused, reason is “they are not convinced that this is a durable relationship.”
Application date:04/08/2023
Refusal letter:16/04/2024
I live together with my girlfriend since 2 years and provided rent, utility bills, pics etc. and they are still not convinced, this application took us 8.5 months and got refused.
I have two questions,
1- How long it takes EU4 review application?
2- During EU4 application do they provide a visa stamp?
My visa has been expired and they mentioned in letter that if I don’t apply to EU4 in 15 days then I might be deported.
Thank you all for help!
It's highly unlikely they will provide you temporary stamp since they haven't accepted you as permitted family member.
Incase they reject your EUTR4, go for judicial review. Unfortunately De Facto relationships have slim chances to fight via external bodies.
Hi,notme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:27 am I am so sorry that your application was rejected. same happened to me last week. exactly same reason. I dont think I can provide any more evidence so on EU4 as angel suggested I am saying they failed to consider documents provided with few new documents.
I would say talk to a solicitor.
Im afraid you don't. You can stay in country, but I'm not sure what's the process if you wish to travel abroad.
Oh okay, thank you for your answer!
I will advise you not to leave the state until you have been accepted as permitted family, thus receiving your stamp 4EUFAM IRP.gulfrador wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:28 amThank you Angel, you have been very helpful:)Angel99 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:24 amSorry for the outcome. EUTR4 can take 12 months.gulfrador wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:23 am Hi all,
Just to let you know that my EUTR1A application has been refused, reason is “they are not convinced that this is a durable relationship.”
Application date:04/08/2023
Refusal letter:16/04/2024
I live together with my girlfriend since 2 years and provided rent, utility bills, pics etc. and they are still not convinced, this application took us 8.5 months and got refused.
I have two questions,
1- How long it takes EU4 review application?
2- During EU4 application do they provide a visa stamp?
My visa has been expired and they mentioned in letter that if I don’t apply to EU4 in 15 days then I might be deported.
Thank you all for help!
It's highly unlikely they will provide you temporary stamp since they haven't accepted you as permitted family member.
Incase they reject your EUTR4, go for judicial review. Unfortunately De Facto relationships have slim chances to fight via external bodies.
Do you think is it possible request at least some kind of document that I can leave Ireland for a few weeks and enter the country without issue?
It’s been almost 3 years I haven’t seen my family and want to go for a few weeks but can’t because of this visa issue.
Thank you again!
Okay Angel, I will do as you advise. I have a last question, sorry to bother you with many questions.Angel99 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:22 pmI will advise you not to leave the state until you have been accepted as permitted family, thus receiving your stamp 4EUFAM IRP.gulfrador wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:28 amThank you Angel, you have been very helpful:)Angel99 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:24 amSorry for the outcome. EUTR4 can take 12 months.gulfrador wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:23 am Hi all,
Just to let you know that my EUTR1A application has been refused, reason is “they are not convinced that this is a durable relationship.”
Application date:04/08/2023
Refusal letter:16/04/2024
I live together with my girlfriend since 2 years and provided rent, utility bills, pics etc. and they are still not convinced, this application took us 8.5 months and got refused.
I have two questions,
1- How long it takes EU4 review application?
2- During EU4 application do they provide a visa stamp?
My visa has been expired and they mentioned in letter that if I don’t apply to EU4 in 15 days then I might be deported.
Thank you all for help!
It's highly unlikely they will provide you temporary stamp since they haven't accepted you as permitted family member.
Incase they reject your EUTR4, go for judicial review. Unfortunately De Facto relationships have slim chances to fight via external bodies.
Do you think is it possible request at least some kind of document that I can leave Ireland for a few weeks and enter the country without issue?
It’s been almost 3 years I haven’t seen my family and want to go for a few weeks but can’t because of this visa issue.
Thank you again!
My girlfriend is French, and after being rejected by EU Treaty today, she offered me to get Civil Partnership certificate(PACS) from French Ambassador to gain residence, but problem is following part from citizensinformation.ie:Angel99 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:30 pm Another option for de facto partners, move to some EU country with your partner ( I will recommend Germany, Netherlands, France, Sweden and Portugal) , get a residence card there then move back to Ireland (If you will even wish to move back). With this you have proven your relationship in all EU countries. They share a common immigration system and will know your reasons being granted residency.
With this they can't refuse you base on doubts about your relationship
gulfrador wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:36 pmMy girlfriend is French, and after being rejected by EU Treaty today, she offered me to get Civil Partnership certificate(PACS) from French Ambassador to gain residence, but problem is following part from citizensinformation.ie:Angel99 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:30 pm Another option for de facto partners, move to some EU country with your partner ( I will recommend Germany, Netherlands, France, Sweden and Portugal) , get a residence card there then move back to Ireland (If you will even wish to move back). With this you have proven your relationship in all EU countries. They share a common immigration system and will know your reasons being granted residency.
With this they can't refuse you base on doubts about your relationship
“ Civil partnerships registered abroad since 16 May 2016 are not recognised in Ireland.”
If I get this Civil Partnership certificate, then what kind of process I can go with do you think?
Again, Thank you for all your help Angel!
gulfrador wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:30 pmOkay Angel, I will do as you advise. I have a last question, sorry to bother you with many questions.Angel99 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:22 pmI will advise you not to leave the state until you have been accepted as permitted family, thus receiving your stamp 4EUFAM IRP.gulfrador wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:28 amThank you Angel, you have been very helpful:)Angel99 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:24 amSorry for the outcome. EUTR4 can take 12 months.gulfrador wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:23 am Hi all,
Just to let you know that my EUTR1A application has been refused, reason is “they are not convinced that this is a durable relationship.”
Application date:04/08/2023
Refusal letter:16/04/2024
I live together with my girlfriend since 2 years and provided rent, utility bills, pics etc. and they are still not convinced, this application took us 8.5 months and got refused.
I have two questions,
1- How long it takes EU4 review application?
2- During EU4 application do they provide a visa stamp?
My visa has been expired and they mentioned in letter that if I don’t apply to EU4 in 15 days then I might be deported.
Thank you all for help!
It's highly unlikely they will provide you temporary stamp since they haven't accepted you as permitted family member.
Incase they reject your EUTR4, go for judicial review. Unfortunately De Facto relationships have slim chances to fight via external bodies.
Do you think is it possible request at least some kind of document that I can leave Ireland for a few weeks and enter the country without issue?
It’s been almost 3 years I haven’t seen my family and want to go for a few weeks but can’t because of this visa issue.
Thank you again!
Do we need to resend all documents with EUTR4? I am asking because in the checklist of EUTR4 form it seems we need to submit all documents again but in the FAQ part of irishimmigration.ie says the following;
“ You can include any new, additional or updated documents that you feel may assist your request for review. You do not need to resubmit documentation that you have sent in with your original application.”
Link to the regarding page: https://www.irishimmigration.ie/coming- ... ty-rights/
Question: My EU Treaty Rights application has been refused. What can I do?
Thank you again!
Hey angel thank u for repylingAngel99 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:49 pmA follow up to your case contact your EU spouse country's Solvit here. They can demand a reply from the Irish Solvit. *call and email your complaint with necessary info*
https://ec.europa.eu/solvit/contact/index_en.htm
Or use the normal complaint page;
https://ec.europa.eu/eu-rights/enquiry- ... ageCode=en
Hey angel thank u for repylingAngel99 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:49 pmA follow up to your case contact your EU spouse country's Solvit here. They can demand a reply from the Irish Solvit. *call and email your complaint with necessary info*
https://ec.europa.eu/solvit/contact/index_en.htm
Or use the normal complaint page;
https://ec.europa.eu/eu-rights/enquiry- ... ageCode=en
Fzaryan1 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:16 pmHey angel thank u for repylingAngel99 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:49 pmA follow up to your case contact your EU spouse country's Solvit here. They can demand a reply from the Irish Solvit. *call and email your complaint with necessary info*
https://ec.europa.eu/solvit/contact/index_en.htm
Or use the normal complaint page;
https://ec.europa.eu/eu-rights/enquiry- ... ageCode=en
Just wanted to know that what would they do in terms of helping with my problem like what is gonna pe the procedure
Thank u
Hello, would you mind to share, in what date did you send your EUTR1A application? And How long did it take to get an answer from immigration?SimeonAngelov wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:45 pm Hello everyone,
I am desperate. I am an EU citizen(Bulgarian), and my girlfriend is Ukrainian. We arrived in Ireland on 23.09.2023. Upon arrival at the airport, we were informed that my girlfriend cannot stay in Ireland because she is a student in an Bulgaria(she discontinued her studies at the university due to financial problems). We were advised to go and check with the Citywest Convention Centre in Dublin.
At Citywest, we were told that she cannot stay here because she has an Bulgarian temporary residence card(that expired in November 2023) and doesn’t qualify for temporary protection, her family still lives in Ukraine. We were advised to write to the Garda in our county. We did, and they advised to send form EUTR1-A to the Department of Justice, EU Treaty Rights Division.
We filled out all the documents(EUTR1-A) and sent them to them. We waited 5 months for a reply. Today, we received an answer that we need to submit more documents, such as:
- Evidence of cohabitation in my EU country (tenancy agreements and utility bills)
- Evidence of a durable relationship (shared jointly-onwed assets) shared bank accounts or insurance, evidence of travel)
- Evidence of key dates in our relationship
- A written explanation of why we started living together 1 month after the start of our relationship
In my country, I was unaware of the necessity to retain my tenancy agreements (with the agreement being solely in my name). Our customary method of payment involves cash transactions, and we refrain from utilizing banking services. Providing evidence of specific dates poses a challenge; however, photographic documentation may serve as a feasible solution, considering the difficulty in recalling all pertinent dates. We moved here in search of a better life, guided by our dreams of building a future together filled with love, resilience, and shared happiness. Our only need is for my girlfriend to be able to work so we can pay our expenses, taxes, create a family, and live peacefully.
I apologize for the length of this message, but I appreciate your attention to it and your assistance.
We are facing a pressing deadline of 15 working days and would be extremely grateful for any advice or guidance you can provide to help us navigate this situation.
Hello there,
