Citizenship delays: FOI and an application for an Order for Mandamus via the High Courts

WaitingConfused wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:53 pm

I just got a quote from a known solicitor agency.
Solicitor's professional fee is 5200 Eur plus VAT.

A quote for what for you citizenship that’s mad mos of the solicitor they do that 900€

hi everone! i need to apply for FOI can anyone please guide me how to apply , can i apply through by my email or by post and how long its take to get back report from department i am waiting long in 4th year now still waitin
thanks

quip wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:35 pm

hi everone! i need to apply for FOI can anyone please guide me how to apply , can i apply through by my email or by post and how long its take to get back report from department i am waiting long in 4th year now still waitin
thanks

I applied by email and got references no in 2 days

Shelter wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:27 pm

quip wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:35 pm

hi everone! i need to apply for FOI can anyone please guide me how to apply , can i apply through by my email or by post and how long its take to get back report from department i am waiting long in 4th year now still waitin
thanks

I applied by email and got references no in 2 days

hi can you please tell me how you apply any link please
thanks

Here Is the link


http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Fre ... nformation

Shelter wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:16 pm

Here Is the link


http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Fre ... nformation

Thanks Shelter
someone give me this link can you please check it is that the same FOI request or its different request
thanks
http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Data_Protection

quip wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:11 pm

Shelter wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:16 pm

Here Is the link


http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Fre ... nformation

Thanks Shelter
someone give me this link can you please check it is that the same FOI request or its different request
thanks
http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Data_Protection

I am not sure about this ... the one I used is this

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Fre ... nformation

To make a Freedom of Information Request (FOI) you can either email or mail in the application (along with a copy of your ID) to the department. The FOI will show you what's been done to date on your application. It takes a few days for the department to acknowledge your request via email (you will be issued a reference number). After that it takes about 4 weeks to receive the FOI documents. Making an FOI is free.

The URL to make an FOI is: http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Fre ... nformation

Paddy1996 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:37 pm

WaitingConfused wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:53 pm

I just got a quote from a known solicitor agency.
Solicitor's professional fee is 5200 Eur plus VAT.

A quote for what for you citizenship that’s mad mos of the solicitor they do that 900€

Hi Paddy1996,

any chance you can share details of your Solicitor?

user77 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:40 pm

Hi Paddy1996,

any chance you can share details of your Solicitor?

Members are NOT permitted to post names and details of solicotors on the forum. Please do not ask for this information. It will be removed.

To find a solicitor google something like "Dublin Immigration Solicitors" and it'll pull up all the options and you can read the google ratings and reviews, where people discuss their case etc.. You can't share lawyer contact details on here.

user77 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:40 pm

Paddy1996 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:37 pm

WaitingConfused wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:53 pm

I just got a quote from a known solicitor agency.
Solicitor's professional fee is 5200 Eur plus VAT.

A quote for what for you citizenship that’s mad mos of the solicitor they do that 900€

Hi Paddy1996,

any chance you can share details of your Solicitor?

polarcub wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:26 pm

To find a solicitor google something like "Dublin Immigration Solicitors" and it'll pull up all the options and you can read the google ratings and reviews, where people discuss their case etc.. You can't share lawyer contact details on here.

user77 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:40 pm

Paddy1996 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:37 pm

WaitingConfused wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:53 pm

I just got a quote from a known solicitor agency.
Solicitor's professional fee is 5200 Eur plus VAT.

A quote for what for you citizenship that’s mad mos of the solicitor they do that 900€

Hi Paddy1996,

any chance you can share details of your Solicitor?

thanks for that

No problem!

On a related note: I've noticed people have different theories about how long one should wait before going through the courts to force a decision - I've seen everything thrown out 4, 3, 2, 1.5 (years) etc... This all seems like a personal preference as opposed to what the courts favour. From my understanding you can take your case to court once your application has exceeded the amount of time the department has advised. At the moment they are telling everyone it'll take 1 year (except for the people who applied during the pandemic). Therefore theoretically, after 1 year you can start the process.

For the people who have gone through the courts - have your lawyers made any comments regarding how long one should wait before making a case?

polarcub wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:23 am

No problem!

On a related note: I've noticed people have different theories about how long one should wait before going through the courts to force a decision - I've seen everything thrown out 4, 3, 2, 1.5 (years) etc... This all seems like a personal preference as opposed to what the courts favour. From my understanding you can take your case to court once your application has exceeded the amount of time the department has advised. At the moment they are telling everyone it'll take 1 year (except for the people who applied during the pandemic). Therefore theoretically, after 1 year you can start the process.

For the people who have gone through the courts - have your lawyers made any comments regarding how long one should wait before making a case?

Even if you go to court after 1 year you still have to way long time more as the court process it’s a long story , first you have to sent letters to government so that’s gonna take 2-3 months second you have to start the court cAses they will leave you a date for a court hearing, after that there will be couple of weeks to do different days of court hearing untill both parties agreed for a decision in time agreements which all this are gonna take you 1 more year

so start the process after 1 year or 1.5 years has passed, as everything takes time. The steps are then:
1. FOI - takes about 1 month
2. Get a lawyer to send letter to the INIS - 2-3 months
3. Get a court date -?
4. Get a decision from the courts -?
5. Wait for the INIS to send finalize application decision as ordered by the courts - ?

How long did you process for all of the above take in total?

Paddy1996 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:49 am

polarcub wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:23 am

No problem!

On a related note: I've noticed people have different theories about how long one should wait before going through the courts to force a decision - I've seen everything thrown out 4, 3, 2, 1.5 (years) etc... This all seems like a personal preference as opposed to what the courts favour. From my understanding you can take your case to court once your application has exceeded the amount of time the department has advised. At the moment they are telling everyone it'll take 1 year (except for the people who applied during the pandemic). Therefore theoretically, after 1 year you can start the process.

For the people who have gone through the courts - have your lawyers made any comments regarding how long one should wait before making a case?

Even if you go to court after 1 year you still have to way long time more as the court process it’s a long story , first you have to sent letters to government so that’s gonna take 2-3 months second you have to start the court cAses they will leave you a date for a court hearing, after that there will be couple of weeks to do different days of court hearing untill both parties agreed for a decision in time agreements which all this are gonna take you 1 more year

Hello guys .I want to apply to FOI before going for JR .. my question is what information I gona get from FOI .. like in January they sent me a email that my application has being submitted to minister for decision but I don't trust their email ..Does FOI record tells u that ur application has being submitted..if it does than I will wait few months before going for JR.

Their email updates are not official. It's just a copy and paste response, it doesn't mean anything. Some people have received this response, did an FOI, only to find their application is still processing and no one has touched it to move it forward to the next stage in months (and in some cases 1+ years). There are many threads on this.

My understanding is that an FOI tells you what they have 'actually' done with your application and where it's sitting in the process (i.e. still processing, waiting for documents, waiting for clearance, waiting for minister to sign of etc). Does any one who got an FOI have anything to add to this?

Emu1990 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:04 pm

Hello guys .I want to apply to FOI before going for JR .. my question is what information I gona get from FOI .. like in January they sent me a email that my application has being submitted to minister for decision but I don't trust their email ..Does FOI record tells u that ur application has being submitted..if it does than I will wait few months before going for JR.

This is one thread where someone outlines what they found in their FOI report: ireland/citizenship-application-process ... 73543.html

polarcub wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:54 pm

This is one thread where someone outlines what they found in their FOI report: ireland/citizenship-application-process ... 73543.html

@polarcub thank u .. I am applying for FOI tomarrow..

Make sure to specify in your application request that the FOI documents be sent to you via email not post.

Emu1990 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:34 pm

polarcub wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:54 pm

This is one thread where someone outlines what they found in their FOI report: ireland/citizenship-application-process ... 73543.html

@polarcub thank u .. I am applying for FOI tomarrow..

polarcub wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:45 pm

Make sure to specify in your application request that the FOI documents be sent to you via email not post.

Emu1990 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:34 pm

polarcub wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:54 pm

This is one thread where someone outlines what they found in their FOI report: ireland/citizenship-application-process ... 73543.html

@polarcub thank u .. I am applying for FOI tomarrow..

Why not post ?

I applied for FOI 5 weeks ago today I made an enquiry about it

This reply I got


Dear,



I wish to acknowledge receipt of your email below. I have been in contact with the decision maker who has informed me that you are automatically entitled to appeal to this Department for a review of your request on the legal basis that the initial request was refused once the specified time for responding to it has expired. The review is a full and new consideration of the matter carried out by a more senior member of staff of this Department.

Should you want to make such an appeal, you can do so in writing, you should state that you are appealing because an initial decision was not sent to you within the time permitted.

I apologise for any inconvenience caused by this delay.

Regards


Transparency Coordination


Any idea guys ??

Shelter wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:00 pm

Any idea guys ??

If you explain properly what happened.

Shelter wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:00 pm

I applied for FOI 5 weeks ago today I made an enquiry about it

Vorona wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:07 pm

Shelter wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:00 pm

Any idea guys ??

If you explain properly what happened.

Shelter wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:00 pm

I applied for FOI 5 weeks ago today I made an enquiry about it

I applied for FOI for my citizenship application last month... I should get ROI records back in 4 weeks ..but I dint get anything so I emailed them today to ask about it ..they sent me this email replay ...

Dear ,



I wish to acknowledge receipt of your email below. I have been in contact with the decision maker who has informed that you are automatically entitled to appeal to this Department for a review of your request on the legal basis that the initial request was refused once the specified time for responding to it has expired. The review is a full and new consideration of the matter carried out by a more senior member of staff of this Department.

Should you want to make such an appeal, you can do so in writing, you should state that you are appealing because an initial decision was not sent to you within the time permitted.

I apologise for any inconvenience caused by this delay.

Regards



Transparency Coordination

Shelter wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:16 pm

I applied for FOI for my citizenship application last month... I should get ROI records back in 4 weeks ..but I dint get anything so I emailed them today to ask about it ..they sent me this email replay ...

Did you get a response saying that your request has been denied?
If not, then just wait. Everything is slow during COVID, your file will be sent to you as soon as possible.

It looks like the person who replied with the above was under impression that you think that your request was refused and advised your to file a complaint.
Just wait.