Foreign Birth Registration?

Oh, so getting a new one from the local authority is classed as original?

Hi All,

Just wanted to create a quick intro post. I've been gathering docs for the last several months. Some have been really hard to get ahold of. Anyhow...

Just completed the online app and fee payment via cc here in the Los Angeles area (Southern California - The O.C., home of Disneyland, facades, saline and silicone breasts, and all other things fake). For what it's worth, I have typed F A K E in the previous sentence, but when I publish the post, it keeps saying "bad quality." Weird Big Brother, haha.

I had my witness sign the docs today. My last doc will come this coming week, right after Monday's Christmas. They spoke with me today. I will send the entire packet including photocopies next week. I was thinking of overnighting them in case there were any Irish laws due to change re: FBR (perhaps due to the phenomenal amount of recent immigration and subsequent issues). Is this worth doing to ensure my app arrives prior to end of 2017?

Also, like many, I have a slight speed bump. It does not seem insurmountable based on my reading of the previous 23 pages of this thread. That speed bump is this:

My mother was born with a blank first and middle name birth certificate in Ohio. I have one with her name, Mary Agnes, filed in a city, but the official one with the state is blank. I received word today that the state one has now been amended properly and certified copies are on their way to me.

So, even though she was born Mary Agnes K...., but she was always known as Marie. She hates the middle name Agnes so she uses her Catholic confirmation name as her middle name. 68 years ago she married my dad, so she has been known as Marie T. M.....

So her driver's licensed and US passport are Marie T. M......, but her birth certificate reads Mary Agnes K....

I supplied a copy of her SSN which shows her name as Marie Agnes K..... to try to show the morphing of her name without any legal name change.

Should I supply anything else except a detailed cover letter in order to try to address issues so they do not become reasons for delay or denial?

I am reassured, in my reading of the last 23 pages, that no one seems to have been outright denied, so I am confident that eventually all things will work out.

I look forward to an engaging and educational participation in these forums

PS- I have no dog in the race of whether or not anyone is trying to get their app in ahead of me due to impending childbirth, haha.

mancguy wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:16 pm

Oh, so getting a new one from the local authority is classed as original?

Yes.

Bluey105 wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:51 pm

My passport is due to be issued by the end of the month. The whole process getting the FBR and passport will have taken me 9 months. Not too bad I say! I just submitted my passport via the London embassy.

Good luck to those of you who are doing the same. It's great when the FBR arrives

Passport was printed on 20th and arrived today. That's just under 6 weeks for a first time postal passport application.

How does an American adoptee of a woman who had an Irish-born mother change the mix? My brother was adopted. Our parents were born here. Our mother's mother was born in Co. Mayo.

What other documentation would he have to provide to obtain his FBR cert?

Ok, I know I have another question pending above (adoptee), but I have one more perhaps the fine folks here can lend some insight:

If my Grandmother was born in Ireland that makes her daughter (my mother) automatically an Irish citizen. She can apply straightaway for her first Irish passport as she was a citizen from birth, although born in the States,correct?

If she is a citizen from the States, does the despondency start with her then? Meaning, can her grandchild apply based on her from-birth (but not on Irish soil) citizenship?

Cheers!

putoluto wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:49 am

Ok, I know I have another question pending above (adoptee), but I have one more perhaps the fine folks here can lend some insight:

If my Grandmother was born in Ireland that makes her daughter (my mother) automatically an Irish citizen. She can apply straightaway for her first Irish passport as she was a citizen from birth, although born in the States,correct?

If she is a citizen from the States, does the despondency start with her then? Meaning, can her grandchild apply based on her from-birth (but not on Irish soil) citizenship?

Cheers!

No, that wouldn't be possible unless you were registered on the FBR at the time of the child's birth. Your child would then be applying through you.

Irishurban wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:26 am

mancguy wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:16 pm

Oh, so getting a new one from the local authority is classed as original?

Yes.

Hi Folks,

I know this question has been answered, but it anyone else is having difficulty with certs:

A certificate certifies that an entry in a register (e.g. births, marriages or deaths) exists and is true. The certificate is "original" if it has been issued by the issuing authority. So certificates that are issued at the time the entry was made in the register and certificates that have been requested for an entry at a later date are both "original" and have equal weight, even if much time has past since the entry was made.

Hope this helps,
Gem

Hi, hoping you wonderfully experienced people can advise please. I have a dilemma. Want to try and get myself registered on the FBR. My maternal great grandmother, born in Ireland. Her son my grandfather was born in Wales in 1916 and died in the war in 1943. As far as we are aware he was not registered on the fbr. Did it exist then?

Daft question possibly, but due to the date of his birth, is he an automatic entitlement to become registered on fbr? With him dieing so many years ago, how does it legally work?

If possible, I would love to get myself registered on the FBR too. Sadly, my mother recently died, so I'm a bit lost, she also was not on FBR as far as I know.... and would love dearly to get some advice on the possibilities of ever getting on the FBR.

And kind souls able to provide and advice... Many thanks

I think the fbr is to be done before the person has children, to ensure the passing on of lineage. Reading the post above it seems like it’s lapsed. Your grandfather would be an Irish citizen, your mother could have applied to be on the fbr, for you to get on the fbr, your mother would have had to be on the fbr before your birth to ensure lineage , that’s what I’ve read,... sorry it’s probs not what you want to read, don’t think there’s any way round this,

Hi All,

Quick question, and sorry if its already been asked, but the only piece of documentation that I can't supply is a photo id for my elderly mother. She's never held a passport or a driving licence, and doesn't even have bus pass (she suffers from Alzheimers and resides in a care home).

I have everything else on the list - birth, marriage, death certificates, proof of address etc. Will my application be rejected without this one item?

Thanks in advance,

HB

I would suggest that you telephone the Irish Embassy in London to get advice on this. If they say that you absolutely must have photo ID for your mother, then try to get approval for something that you might be able to get produced by your local council. If that is not possible then look at whether you could apply for a passport for her. In the case of someone who has never had a passport you would have to send off a paper application, so it depends on whether you mother can sign her name and sit still for a suitable photograph?

I had the same problem. My mum also had dementia and had no currently valid photo ID. I don't think what I did would work for you if your mother has never had a passport, but it might give you some other creative idea. I decided to apply online for a renewal of her expired UK passport. With certain restrictions, they can use the signature that they already have on file and plonk this on to the new passport, so the applicant does not have to sign (which would have been impossible for my mum).

I was worried that the questions asked would require me to pretend to be my mother, but actually, unlike something like a tax return, you are not asked if you are applying on someone else's behalf. Assumptions are made which means that I did not have to lie. The big problem arose with the photograph. The image recognition software that they use is extremely sensitive. My mum was housebound so I couldn't get her to a photo booth. I was advised to take the photo at home against a plain white wall. I tried this but, although I couldn't see it, she cast a slight shadow on the wall which showed up online and therefore the system would not accept the photo. Also, because of her mental state, I could not get her to sit up straight, look forward, open her eyes wide and close her mouth. So all in all, I just couldn't achieve a suitable photograph.

Then a friend said, haven't you got an old photo you could use by scanning it? Well I did. It was a passport style photo taken about 4 years previously for her blue badge, but it was still recognisable as her. I used this and the system asked some questions about whether her eyes were wide open (older people have hooded eyes) and a few other things. I replied in the affirmative and the picture was then accepted.

The passport duly arrived a couple of weeks later. I felt guilty that I had not used a very recent photograph as they require, but apart from that all was above board. And it wasn't as if she was actually going to use the passport. I was just going through that expensive rigmarole to get photo ID for her, in order to complete by Irish FBR application. My brother has now decided he wants to do the same but since our mother has now died, all he needs is her death certificate instead of the photo ID.

I do hope you can find a solution to this. Very best of luck.

Have any of you seen this thread?:

ireland/irish-nationality-and-citizensh ... 46115.html

It makes sense. If his parent was born outside Ireland prior to 1956 (1929 in this case), the child of an 1905 Irish-born citizen, then the 1929 born child is a citizen effective the date of the 1956 Immigration Act. That would mean all subsequent amendments are moot since the 1929 born child was already a citizen as of the 1956 Act.

The 1929 born person in fact becomes the eligible citizen parent for a child and grandchild. The logic makes sense, does it not?

Here's the OP's post from the other thread:
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Irish Nationality and Citizenship act of 1956
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Post by Jaffa Cakes » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:25 pm

I was wondering if anyone here had any practical experience to draw on with this law.

I'm particularly interested in this section:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1956 ... /html#sec6

6.—(1) Every person born in Ireland is an Irish citizen from birth.


(2) Every person is an Irish citizen if his father or mother was an Irish citizen at the time of that person's birth or becomes an Irish citizen under subsection (1) or would be an Irish citizen under that subsection if alive at the passing of this Act.


(3) In the case of a person born before the passing of this Act, subsection (2) applies from the date of its passing. In every other case, it applies from birth.


(4) A person born before the passing of this Act whose father or mother is an Irish citizen under subsection (2), or would be if alive at its passing, shall be an Irish citizen from the date of its passing.


(5) Subsection (1) shall not confer Irish citizenship on the child of an alien who, at the time of the child's birth, is entitled to diplomatic immunity in the State.

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It would seem that this would assert citizenship to anyone who was alive at the time who happened to have an Irish born parent, grandparent, great grandparent, etc.

I guess I'm just wanting to make sure I read that correctly and that there isn't some other caveat that I haven't found.

Hi All!

I have a quick question. My Grandmother was born in Ireland and live there until she was 20. My father was born in England in 1959 but has always held an Irish Passport and never a British. He doesn't have any recollection of being on a foreign birth register and he certainly doesn't have his certificate. Would it be easier for me to just apply through my grandmother, as I have all of the documents needed for this?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers!

Hello everyone,

I sent my FBR from Chicago to Dublin on November 27th and it was received on December 7th. It's through my fathers mother and I have all the correct paperwork. So I have a long way to go, I'm just wondering if things have sped up.

I'm also wondering if I will get an acceptance email, or just a letter sent? So excited!


EXIT: I also already paid my application fee when I printed my application, will I be charged again?

One more question to add to my previous post,

I went to the Currency Exchange (a sort of bank) to get my photos and application signed by a witness. The manager did everything for me and stamped it(who is also a certified notary) I was nervous about the "must know you or a third party" part. I did not know the manager just showed him my passport and ID. Anyone else who got accepted do the same thing?

cmac93 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:25 pm

Hi All!

I have a quick question. My Grandmother was born in Ireland and live there until she was 20. My father was born in England in 1959 but has always held an Irish Passport and never a British. He doesn't have any recollection of being on a foreign birth register and he certainly doesn't have his certificate. Would it be easier for me to just apply through my grandmother, as I have all of the documents needed for this?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers!

Yes that's right.
Your father is Irish by being born to an Irish born parent (the same as me, I've never set foot in Ireland but dad born there). You will have to register on the FBR to get Irish citizenship (I have sent off for my two children to be registered) and then you can apply for your Irish passport. Hope this helps.

Jezabel wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:35 am

My application was received at the Irish Embassy in London yesterday 20th September so I am not really expecting anything before April/May next year but will keep you posted on any developments

Jezabel, I submitted a few weeks before you. Have you heard anything yet? I've prodded them again today to see if anything after hearing processing time in London was down around 4-5 months. Hopefully will get reply from them on Monday.

First time posting but an avid reader of this board.

Submitted my FBR application on August 2 2017 to London Office. Heard nothing until yesterday when the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (in Dublin) emailed to query why my Irish born grandmother had different dates of birth on her marriage and death certificates.

Family legend has it that she gave a different DOB on getting married to hide the fact that she was 7 years older than my grandfather. Has anyone else ever heard of this happening?

PS: I called the number on the email and the very nice lady I spoke to seemed to accept this explanation. Fingers crossed there will be good news soon... I can't wait!

Be happy if it were 4 months now...I heard still six months.... 2 months to go!!!

sera1 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:18 am

Hello, I sent it all off in August but I just learned I am supposed to be registered adopted first...I didn't do that. Will they send it all back and charge me the fee all over again?

The good news is that if you are registered as adopted, then you do not need to apply for foreign birth registration.

ninal01 wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:10 pm

Jezabel wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:35 am

My application was received at the Irish Embassy in London yesterday 20th September so I am not really expecting anything before April/May next year but will keep you posted on any developments

Jezabel, I submitted a few weeks before you. Have you heard anything yet? I've prodded them again today to see if anything after hearing processing time in London was down around 4-5 months. Hopefully will get reply from them on Monday.

Nothing so far! working on the principal that no news is good news

Hi all,

After lurking on this board for a few months, I thought it might be helpful to post a recent update on processing times for the London Embassy: I posted my FBR application on August 22nd 2017, and sent an email today (23rd January 2018) to check the status, feeling hopeful after reports of 4-5 month processing times. I received a very swift reply to say that my application was in Dublin and at an advanced stage, but also that FBR applications are currently taking six months from the date of receipt.

Murphy..can i ask what email you used please...i want to do the same, drop them an email...Cheers

I emailed them a month after i sent my application and got a reply asap that its been received and will take 6 months blah blah blah...
I sent an email again to check about the status two weeks ago but heard nothing. Send another email a week ago but nothing still.