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I'd say if you have a clear cut application with no further information required, you could be looking between 9/10 months now until entry onto the register.I'm sure it didn't say anything on my FBR application about business cards or getting anything stamped... I had my witness sign and date my photos, my ID and the form. Is that not going to be enough?Pipefish wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:46 pmYou can put their business card or headed paper in, if I recall correctly. I had my passport application stamped by the manager of my Building Society but it smudged so much it was unreadable so I just got one of his business cards and put it in with the application. - I'm sure it says on the form somewhere that this is acceptable.Jacqui309 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:28 pmIn the hope my certificate arrives soon I have started to look at the passport application. It says the witness has to stamp the photo. I work in a hospital so surrounded by suitable people but none of them will have a stamp! What do I do. The Medical Director witnessed my passport copy for the fbr and he had to email from an NHS account as proof.
When I did my daughter's FBR, it was witnessed by our cat's vet. He didn't have a stamp so I put in one of his appointment cards, which is pretty much a business card with a space to write your next appointment on. They seem to have accepted that.
I also got them to sign, print, date and write 'This is a true likeness of...' on the back of each photo.
Thank you Pipefish and everyone else who has commented. It just seemed like a very strange situation and knew I wasn't the only one who experienced this. Looks like we will go the route of UK citizenship for baby and then compile the documents for Irish FBR next year. We were trying to avoid introducing a UK passport into the mix (nothing against the UK, we love it here!), just that neither of us have a UK passport (wife has SA and Irish citizenship and I have Canadian). We did have the option to get Canadian easily, but then would have to go down the route of baby applying for a permit to remain in the UK etc.. if Canadian was the only citizenship obtained.Pipefish wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:11 pmWe obviously were always going to get her (our daughter) a British passport - but did try to go straight in for the Irish first - because Brexit. We came across the same issue.passlots wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:13 pmWe appear to have no choice but to follow the British path first, and then we will be left with the decision of whether the Irish application is even worth the hassle thereafter, given current 1+ year processing times. We also want to be able to travel and take baby to see family during the first year and can't be left waiting 1+ years before visiting anyone.
The only way to do it was to get her a British passport first. My wife and I are both British born so I guess it was a simple application, we had her UK passport within two weeks of applying.
Stamps are a very UK/Ireland thing I think - it's basically a rubber stamp with their name, address, phone number, etc on.
Hey Sulla,Sulla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:01 pmIf you live abroad, you need to submit 3x proof of address. That could be 3 utility bills or 3 statements from different banks. You do not need to have one example of each acceptable type.kmosfet wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:49 pmHey!tomriddle2u wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:05 pmDocs you will need.
Foreign Birth Registration certificate
Your Full civil birth certificate (version that includes the name(s) of the parent(s).
Your Civil marriage certificate (if requesting the passport in your married name).
Proof of address.
Copy of your Public Services Card if resident in Ireland
If resident outside of Ireland submit:
Original passport from another country, national ID card, social security card or a certified (by a solicitor or notary public) copy of your driver’s license
Proof of name.
Accepted examples of proof of address:
Original utility bills
Bank statements
Government correspondence
Accepted examples of proof of name:
Original utility bills
Bank statements
Government correspondence
Your mother's maiden name is just for the application form you won't need to submit her birth cert or anything. Hope this helps
Just to clarify for the proof of address and proof of name. Do you need all three of the examples or just one for each? Also what counts as a Government correspondence?
Thanks.
Government correspondence would include letters from authorities regarding benefits claims, correspondence from Revenue Canada or many other examples of letters you could have received from local police or government agencies. I sent a criminal records search from the local police station as one of mine.
I just had to send in 3 x proofs of address together with a notarized copy of my ID. Therefore, 3 documents bearing my full name and address from the categories Tom Riddle provided. There was no necessity to provide 3 for proof of address and a different 3 for proof of name. I don't think this has changed.
Use of stamps is not isolated to UK and Ireland. Far from it. It is normal in many parts of Asia. The Chinese have a particular affection for them. Mongolia and Thailand are not far behind. An organisational stamp is often used in place of an authorized signature on contracts etc.
I think it has to be something that has actually been posted to you. I would just stick to the list that TomRiddle provided. I do know that an insurance policy document that bears your name and address is acceptable. Essentially, they seem to want something that is financial services, utility or government agency based. A credit card statement would probably be fine. A driver's licence (if not used as proof of Identity) could also work if it shows your current address.
I'd say stick to the list. The one I used to get my third form of mail was something from a government agency -that could be so many things. In my case a letter from the NYC Municipal Archives about a request I sent. Use your imagination to get ANY government agency to answer a request. Ask some agency to send a pamphlet--good enough! They just want real mail from a source that seems legitamate.Sulla wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:30 amI think it has to be something that has actually been posted to you. I would just stick to the list that TomRiddle provided. I do know that an insurance policy document that bears your name and address is acceptable. Essentially, they seem to want something that is financial services, utility or government agency based. A credit card statement would probably be fine. A driver's licence (if not used as proof of Identity) could also work if it shows your current address.
If in doubt you could always contact the FBR section directly or call your local Irish embassy.
This why I was asking re the passport application. I am surrounded by medical people who can witness my photos/application but none will have stamps or business cards. They won’t have appointment cards either. Just wondering what else there is
That's fantastic news. I am so happy for you. I hope that your status in France is more certain now that you have this in hand and the passport on the way.LesMalouinettes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:02 pmJust wanted to pop in an give an update.
I received my FBR certificate in the mail on Tuesday (15/10/19). My date of entry is 19/09/19. I applied for my Irish passport the same day I received the certificate and I had an email from the Irish Embassy in Canberra, Australia the next day just requesting proof of payment (In Australia, we can only pay for the passport application by bank transfer, not credit card).
Fingers crossed the passport processing time is nice and speedy!
The FBR section are used to dealing with minor discrepancies in document sets. However, the name of a living person may not be treated as minor. I would recommend preparing a sworn affidavit / statutory declaration from your mother explaining the circumstances around the name order issue. The transition from maiden name to surname is usual and not of importance. The order of the given names may matter though and have to be explained. If you get such a document ready, if will enable you to respond swiftly to any request for clarification from the FBR team.Brent28 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:49 pmHello all, I am a current FBR applicant, new to the board, with a question regarding some of the information I submitted along with my application. First I will share my application basis and current progress, then the question.
FBR Stats:
I live in North Carolina, USA, and applied via my grandfather, born in Belfast in 1930.
Information submitted to Dublin via post August 13, 2019.
Receipt email from FBR received August 23, 2019.
Question:
My mother switched the order of her first and middle names at some point in the past, but had no documentation to support the change. As a result, her name appears as follows on the documents I submitted:
Birth Certificate: First Middle MaidenName
Marriage Certificate: First Middle Surname
Current Passport Copy: Middle First Surname
She told me that she changed the order with the US Social Security Administration when switching from her maiden name to her married surname, but did not officially do it via the court system (two different processes, I am told). I did not have anything to support this, and wanted to get my application in line due to the current extended wait times, so I sent it off anyway.
Does anyone have an idea as to whether this will cause an issue with the FBR processing office? Should I expect to receive a request for additional information on this, and if so, does anyone have any experience with an issue like this?
Hi Spike,spike18 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:04 pmHaving completed my FBR and Passport journey, my wife has asked if I can help her with her FBR application. This clearly makes me a glutton for punishment.
Her application has a problem that I thought I might share with this forum in the hope that her issue is not unique.
The circumstances are pretty straightforward. My wife's Grandmother was born in Northern Ireland and her mother in the UK. So, we have her Grandmother's birth certificate, marriage certificate and death certificate. We also have her mother's birth certificate and marriage certificate, and my wife's birth certificate and our marriage certificate.
What we don't have is proof of her mother's current address (she is still alive). Unfortunately, they are estranged and there is no way of obtaining such proof.
I spoke to the FBR section in Ballbriggan and while being very helpful, they couldn't confirm how best to proceed. Their suggestion was to write a note on the application and it would then depend on the officer's discretion as to whether or not to register her name. Clearly waiting up to a year for the outcome of an application which may fail is not ideal.
Does anybody else here have any experience of such a problem?
Spike
Hi Spike,Sulla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:02 am[quote=spike18 post_id=<a href="tel:1837469">1837469</a> time=<a href="tel:1571231047">1571231047</a> user_id=202884]
Having completed my FBR and Passport journey, my wife has asked if I can help her with her FBR application. This clearly makes me a glutton for punishment.
Her application has a problem that I thought I might share with this forum in the hope that her issue is not unique.
The circumstances are pretty straightforward. My wife's Grandmother was born in Northern Ireland and her mother in the UK. So, we have her Grandmother's birth certificate, marriage certificate and death certificate. We also have her mother's birth certificate and marriage certificate, and my wife's birth certificate and our marriage certificate.
What we don't have is proof of her mother's current address (she is still alive). Unfortunately, they are estranged and there is no way of obtaining such proof.
I spoke to the FBR section in Ballbriggan and while being very helpful, they couldn't confirm how best to proceed. Their suggestion was to write a note on the application and it would then depend on the officer's discretion as to whether or not to register her name. Clearly waiting up to a year for the outcome of an application which may fail is not ideal.
Does anybody else here have any experience of such a problem?
Spike
Hi Sulla,Sulla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:02 amHi Spike,spike18 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:04 pmHaving completed my FBR and Passport journey, my wife has asked if I can help her with her FBR application. This clearly makes me a glutton for punishment.
Her application has a problem that I thought I might share with this forum in the hope that her issue is not unique.
The circumstances are pretty straightforward. My wife's Grandmother was born in Northern Ireland and her mother in the UK. So, we have her Grandmother's birth certificate, marriage certificate and death certificate. We also have her mother's birth certificate and marriage certificate, and my wife's birth certificate and our marriage certificate.
What we don't have is proof of her mother's current address (she is still alive). Unfortunately, they are estranged and there is no way of obtaining such proof.
I spoke to the FBR section in Ballbriggan and while being very helpful, they couldn't confirm how best to proceed. Their suggestion was to write a note on the application and it would then depend on the officer's discretion as to whether or not to register her name. Clearly waiting up to a year for the outcome of an application which may fail is not ideal.
Does anybody else here have any experience of such a problem?
Spike
You do not need proof of address for your wife's mother. That is only required for the applicant. What you do need is a notarized copy of her government issued ID document. Usually, this would be a driver's licence or passport.
There were several cases of estrangement from parents in the citizenship chain in the old thread. I do not think any of them had a positive resolution. I very much doubt that an application will succeed without such an ID document. It was stated clearly to others that this was absolutely required.
I personally disagree with it being required, because that indicates that an applicant essentially requires parental consent to claim citizenship through FBR if the parent is still alive - but not if he/she is dead. I think that is a mite ridiculous. However, I am not in control of the process.
Dealing with circumstances of getting the needed notarized ID document can be problematic in cases of estrangement where reconciliation is not an option . I will offer 3 approaches. None will be cheap and all assume you know where the parent is.
1) False purposes: Contact a mutual friend or family member and explain the circumstances to them and why you need to get a notarized ID copy from your wife's parent. Get them to agree to help you get it by them drafting a will. Contact the parent and tell her she has been named as a beneficiary in the will or ask her to serve as a witness. Ask for notarized photo ID as part of the process. You would be on the hook for the expenses of drafting the will and the value of any bequest.
2) Outright bribery: Contact the estranged parent through a neutral family member and explain the circumstances. Get the neutral party to try to negotiate a copy of the ID for you in exchange for a payment of some kind. This will often depend on the financial position of the estranged parent. However, if the offer is enticing enough it could work out. I would suggest starting at 1k GBP plus expenses and working up.
3) Slight shadiness: Contact a private investigations firm and tell them what you need. They will be able to get it for you. Various strategies are possible. If could be anything from working with a wheel clamping firm, debt collectors or offering a PPI refund. It is relatively easy to get information like a passport copy out of people when they are offered something or threatened with something.
Of course, none of the above approaches are very nice or moral. I used to work at Goldman, where I quickly learned to divest myself of any such considerations. Forgive me.
