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BrexitEscapee
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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by BrexitEscapee » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:28 am

Georgia345 wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:22 pm
Hello, yes I admit I had my entire life to do it and understand it is unprecedented times but with Ireland's population of 5million ppl if you compare the population with 3rd world countries, I just cannot understand, if they were diligent why must they stop/pause processing applications and prolong the processing time since our original docs are held by them?
The reason your FBR isn't being processed is because the Irish Government ARE being diligent. In times of crisis, a diligent organisation 'prioritises.' That means the important stuff (implementing/enforcing Covid19 prevention measures, financial support to affected businesses, addressing supply-chain issues, expanding healthcare capacity etc.) gets done and non-important stuff (i.e. processing claims to citizenship from people who had an Irish grandparent) gets stopped. Some people who are affected by this may get upset and personalise it as 'laziness,' but I'd say most people look at this with the 'blitz spirit' - i.e. when times are hard, you have to put up with some hardships.

I'm curious though: which third world countries' FBR programmes have kept going through this pandemic? I'm not aware of any other countries that do this, and I'd be interested in examples of those that do.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by BigDaddy100 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:25 am

My long wait is over! My FBR certificate and supporting docs were delivered yesterday.
USPS Informed Delivery sent a text saying my package was "delivered to an individual".
A few minutes later, it was in my mailbox. No-contact delivery, I guess. 8)

My timeline:
Application submitted online: 16 June 2019
Email acknowledging receipt of documents (Balbriggan): 01 July 2019
Confirmation of address email: 24 September 2020
Date added to FBR: 25 September 2020
Congrats email / Certificate Printed/Mailed: 01 October 2020
FBR certificate received: 20 October 2020

I will get started on the passport application, even though processing is paused for now.
The photo and notary steps will require a little more coordination than they did last time.
Best of luck to all. Hopefully, the Level 5 stage will pass quickly.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by James1308 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:57 am

DanaMarie wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:05 pm

You should really check your privilege and remember that you, like all of us, are incredibly lucky that Ireland offers citizenship by descent. And for the record, UKVI closed up shop for months leaving families all over the world separated while their applications sat in a pile, the US has done the same, as have many other industrial and developing nations. There is no laziness involved, these are unprecedented times and government agencies are doing their best in spite of the constraints of the pandemic. You have had your entire life seemingly to get your application submitted so waiting until you were pregnant is not the fault of the Irish government. The FBR section has been quite diligent about processing applications for expectant families when the application materials are noted as such so I'm sure you will be afforded the same treatment. Keep calm and carry on, you will be an Irish citizen before you know it!
Completely disagree - at the end of the day the fact is, they do offer citizenship by descent. It's no good saying 'we're grateful they do' - the fact is that we've all paid for a service which we're not getting at the moment. There's zero reason why these people can't work from home. I understand that they can get redeployed, but humanity are going to have to learn to live with this virus and not shut down every time there's a small outbreak, particulary for non-contact jobs like these.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by jgclancy » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:08 am

BigDaddy100 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:25 am
My long wait is over! My FBR certificate and supporting docs were delivered yesterday.
USPS Informed Delivery sent a text saying my package was "delivered to an individual".
A few minutes later, it was in my mailbox. No-contact delivery, I guess. 8)

My timeline:
Application submitted online: 16 June 2019
Email acknowledging receipt of documents (Balbriggan): 01 July 2019
Confirmation of address email: 24 September 2020
Date added to FBR: 25 September 2020
Congrats email / Certificate Printed/Mailed: 01 October 2020
FBR certificate received: 20 October 2020

I will get started on the passport application, even though processing is paused for now.
The photo and notary steps will require a little more coordination than they did last time.
Best of luck to all. Hopefully, the Level 5 stage will pass quickly.
Congrats BigDaddy100!!! ....best of luck and hope you get that passport soon enough. Day 483 for me....patience.....
jgclancy

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Nodrick » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:14 am

I'm pretty sure that the Irish Government are doing the right thing by making sure their staff are being safe and well and that by closing the office it helps stop the spread of this horrendous virus.

In terms of working from home, I would imagine there are be rules and regulations about having peoples sensitive and personal information at their home. They've got countless birth, wedding, death certificates, copies of our passports, signed proof of who we are. Definitely a security issue. I reckon that this may be at least one reason people can't work from home - they'd have to provide the right I.T and goodness knows what.

Yeah I am a bit frustrated that I have to wait longer, and double frustrated so as I am a May applicant and seeing June & July approved ahead of me (congrats to those people by the way, I know it's not your doing), but if it means people working on my registration are safe and sound then I think it is a small price to pay.

I'm the classic British post Brexit person registering because I want that European passport, but lets be honest I'm not going to be travelling anywhere or likely to be working anywhere outside of the UK till all the covid is over.

Peace and love to you all, stay safe and chill.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by AntrimGrandchild » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:16 pm

BigDaddy100 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:25 am
My long wait is over! My FBR certificate and supporting docs were delivered yesterday.
USPS Informed Delivery sent a text saying my package was "delivered to an individual".
A few minutes later, it was in my mailbox. No-contact delivery, I guess. 8)

My timeline:
Application submitted online: 16 June 2019
Email acknowledging receipt of documents (Balbriggan): 01 July 2019
Confirmation of address email: 24 September 2020
Date added to FBR: 25 September 2020
Congrats email / Certificate Printed/Mailed: 01 October 2020
FBR certificate received: 20 October 2020

I will get started on the passport application, even though processing is paused for now.
The photo and notary steps will require a little more coordination than they did last time.
Best of luck to all. Hopefully, the Level 5 stage will pass quickly.
Congrats!!! I was wondering - how did you track the certificate from overseas? I receive a tracking reference number, but have no idea where I would input this information. Thank you for any help you can give!

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Waiting4Balbriggan » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:11 pm

Hi,
Just thought I’d reach out and let you know how I’m getting on with my FBR app, submitted July 2019 esp. now that I’m PREGNANT !!

COVID-19 meant that our dream to move to Ireland is all but lost now, but I would still like to give the gift of citizenship to my kids if I can.

My timeline:
Application submitted online: July 2019
Email acknowledging receipt of documents: July 2019
Registered Post Letter advising of pregnancy received by Balbriggan: 24 September 2020

Still haven’t heard anything about the letter having been received. I’m not too worried right now, but very much would like the process to wrap up by April 2021 in time for the baby to arrive.

Thanks for reading! Good luck with your respective journeys!

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Waiting4Balbriggan » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:24 pm

I am pregnant too, I hope there will be a special dispensation to be able to register our babies’ birth once all this goes back to normal. I put my application in 13 months before I even got pregnant, I feel like that has to count for something.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by BigDaddy100 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:48 pm

AntrimGrandchild wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:16 pm
BigDaddy100 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:25 am
My long wait is over! My FBR certificate and supporting docs were delivered yesterday.
USPS Informed Delivery sent a text saying my package was "delivered to an individual".
A few minutes later, it was in my mailbox. No-contact delivery, I guess. 8)

My timeline:
Application submitted online: 16 June 2019
Email acknowledging receipt of documents (Balbriggan): 01 July 2019
Confirmation of address email: 24 September 2020
Date added to FBR: 25 September 2020
Congrats email / Certificate Printed/Mailed: 01 October 2020
FBR certificate received: 20 October 2020

I will get started on the passport application, even though processing is paused for now.
The photo and notary steps will require a little more coordination than they did last time.
Best of luck to all. Hopefully, the Level 5 stage will pass quickly.
Congrats!!! I was wondering - how did you track the certificate from overseas? I receive a tracking reference number, but have no idea where I would input this information. Thank you for any help you can give!
Hi AntrimGrandchild,
I tracked with both the AnPost and USPS sites. Both let you enter the tracking number and read the current status. When the FBR team first sent out the package, it only appeared on the An Post site (after a day or two delay). Once the package reached the US (JFK), it appeared on both sites. Once it left JFK, only the USPS site showed an updated status and An Post no longer updated. Yesterday, when it was actually delivered, both sites showed it as having been delivered.

On the USPS site, you can sign up for email and text updates. You'll get an updated notification every time the package is scanned along the way. Even though it's registered mail, mail carriers aren't always requiring signatures (due to the pandemic?), and often leave the mail in the box. Given its importance, I was glad to receive the "Delivered" text as a heads-up. Good luck to you!

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by BigDaddy100 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:02 pm

jgclancy wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:08 am
BigDaddy100 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:25 am
My long wait is over! My FBR certificate and supporting docs were delivered yesterday.
USPS Informed Delivery sent a text saying my package was "delivered to an individual".
A few minutes later, it was in my mailbox. No-contact delivery, I guess. 8)

My timeline:
Application submitted online: 16 June 2019
Email acknowledging receipt of documents (Balbriggan): 01 July 2019
Confirmation of address email: 24 September 2020
Date added to FBR: 25 September 2020
Congrats email / Certificate Printed/Mailed: 01 October 2020
FBR certificate received: 20 October 2020

I will get started on the passport application, even though processing is paused for now.
The photo and notary steps will require a little more coordination than they did last time.
Best of luck to all. Hopefully, the Level 5 stage will pass quickly.
Congrats BigDaddy100!!! ....best of luck and hope you get that passport soon enough. Day 483 for me....patience.....
jgclancy
Thanks jgclancy. Hang in there. It would be great if the apps that are far along in the process (like yours) could be completed in short order. Hoping for good news for you! :)

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by BigDaddy100 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:11 pm

Waiting4Balbriggan wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:11 pm
Registered Post Letter advising of pregnancy received by Balbriggan: 24 September 2020

Still haven’t heard anything about the letter having been received...
Hi Waiting4Balbriggan (great name!),

Have you tried using the webchat to contact the team? Some folks on this forum seem to have good results with it.

During the previous pause, it seemed like pregnancy cases were being successfully expedited.
Best of luck!

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Waiting4Balbriggan » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:39 pm

Thanks for the tip! I didn’t know about the web chat! I will try :)

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Mirroch » Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:27 am

James1308 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:57 am
Completely disagree - at the end of the day the fact is, they do offer citizenship by descent. It's no good saying 'we're grateful they do' - the fact is that we've all paid for a service which we're not getting at the moment. There's zero reason why these people can't work from home. I understand that they can get redeployed, but humanity are going to have to learn to live with this virus and not shut down every time there's a small outbreak, particulary for non-contact jobs like these.
I agree.

Yes, I had my whole life to get Irish citizenship but, let's face it, it was completely unnecessary before Brexit. (I voted remain btw, unlike some of my family who got Irish passports that I could mention but won't :roll:). That doesn't mean I am not kicking myself every single day for not having done it back in 2017/18.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Fbrlad » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:58 am

My understanding is that “receiving and processing new FBR applications” is paused, but the current applications are still being processed which means that they most likely are processing them from home and this of course would cause a delay due to logistics.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Georgia345 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:44 am

BrexitEscapee wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:28 am
Georgia345 wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:22 pm
Hello, yes I admit I had my entire life to do it and understand it is unprecedented times but with Ireland's population of 5million ppl if you compare the population with 3rd world countries, I just cannot understand, if they were diligent why must they stop/pause processing applications and prolong the processing time since our original docs are held by them?
The reason your FBR isn't being processed is because the Irish Government ARE being diligent. In times of crisis, a diligent organisation 'prioritises.' That means the important stuff (implementing/enforcing Covid19 prevention measures, financial support to affected businesses, addressing supply-chain issues, expanding healthcare capacity etc.) gets done and non-important stuff (i.e. processing claims to citizenship from people who had an Irish grandparent) gets stopped. Some people who are affected by this may get upset and personalise it as 'laziness,' but I'd say most people look at this with the 'blitz spirit' - i.e. when times are hard, you have to put up with some hardships.

I'm curious though: which third world countries' FBR programmes have kept going through this pandemic? I'm not aware of any other countries that do this, and I'd be interested in examples of those that do.
Hi. You may do your research online or read the latest news on third world countries eg: South East Asian countries for your general knowledge. If they understand the meaning of priority, then why backlog applications since last year even b4 covid19? There's a difference between being diligent and being efficient. So what happens when another crisis/pandemic hits again during covid19, burn the whole country down?

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Georgia345 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:54 am

Nodrick wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:14 am
I'm pretty sure that the Irish Government are doing the right thing by making sure their staff are being safe and well and that by closing the office it helps stop the spread of this horrendous virus.

In terms of working from home, I would imagine there are be rules and regulations about having peoples sensitive and personal information at their home. They've got countless birth, wedding, death certificates, copies of our passports, signed proof of who we are. Definitely a security issue. I reckon that this may be at least one reason people can't work from home - they'd have to provide the right I.T and goodness knows what.

Yeah I am a bit frustrated that I have to wait longer, and double frustrated so as I am a May applicant and seeing June & July approved ahead of me (congrats to those people by the way, I know it's not your doing), but if it means people working on my registration are safe and sound then I think it is a small price to pay.

I'm the classic British post Brexit person registering because I want that European passport, but lets be honest I'm not going to be travelling anywhere or likely to be working anywhere outside of the UK till all the covid is over.

Peace and love to you all, stay safe and chill.
If other countries can make use of the Internet, scan and email the documents why can't they adopt the new system? Perhaps they are not willing to finance a strong security system or they don't have the money for? If other countries with a larger population can practice and maintain sop for safety (you can read the news about countries like Taiwan/Malaysia /vietnam) can do it, why can't they learn and practice the same?

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by avro1959 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:51 am

Folks, I've tried looking to see if others have been in a similar situation. My wife (Irish) and I were supposed to move back to Ireland earlier this year, but covid smashed those plans and our flights were cancelled. As it happens, my wife was pregnant and by the time flights resumed, it was her third trimester and too late to travel. Now our baby has been born here in Canada and we have inadvertently been thrown into this FBR business since my wife too was born outside Ireland.

We intend to complete the move in a few months after baby's vaccinations, but now I'm realizing that the FBR takes up to 18 months to process. Does anyone know if this is a valid reason to request urgent processing? While our baby is a Canadian citizen by birth, it's weird that we have to take him to Ireland as a foreigner and get him a residence permit when he's already entitled to the citizenship.

Do they have an expedited process for FBR for cases such as ours? If baby was born in any other country where birthright citizenship doesn't exist, the Irish government couldn't just leave a baby stateless for 18 months while an FBR application was being processed.

Thaanks!

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Georgia345 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:35 am

avro1959 wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:51 am
Folks, I've tried looking to see if others have been in a similar situation. My wife (Irish) and I were supposed to move back to Ireland earlier this year, but covid smashed those plans and our flights were cancelled. As it happens, my wife was pregnant and by the time flights resumed, it was her third trimester and too late to travel. Now our baby has been born here in Canada and we have inadvertently been thrown into this FBR business since my wife too was born outside Ireland.

We intend to complete the move in a few months after baby's vaccinations, but now I'm realizing that the FBR takes up to 18 months to process. Does anyone know if this is a valid reason to request urgent processing? While our baby is a Canadian citizen by birth, it's weird that we have to take him to Ireland as a foreigner and get him a residence permit when he's already entitled to the citizenship.

Do they have an expedited process for FBR for cases such as ours? If baby was born in any other country where birthright citizenship doesn't exist, the Irish government couldn't just leave a baby stateless for 18 months while an FBR application was being processed.

Thaanks!
You need to be registered in the FBR prior to the birth of your child. They do not care and definitely would not give any allowance and stick to their dinosaur rules & regulations because all they care about now is having a Christmas. Don't waste your money like me. It's too late but don't worry we are the unfortunate ones because I'm due in Nov 2020.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by jamiepompey » Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:50 am

Georgia345 wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:35 am
avro1959 wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:51 am
Folks, I've tried looking to see if others have been in a similar situation. My wife (Irish) and I were supposed to move back to Ireland earlier this year, but covid smashed those plans and our flights were cancelled. As it happens, my wife was pregnant and by the time flights resumed, it was her third trimester and too late to travel. Now our baby has been born here in Canada and we have inadvertently been thrown into this FBR business since my wife too was born outside Ireland.

We intend to complete the move in a few months after baby's vaccinations, but now I'm realizing that the FBR takes up to 18 months to process. Does anyone know if this is a valid reason to request urgent processing? While our baby is a Canadian citizen by birth, it's weird that we have to take him to Ireland as a foreigner and get him a residence permit when he's already entitled to the citizenship.

Do they have an expedited process for FBR for cases such as ours? If baby was born in any other country where birthright citizenship doesn't exist, the Irish government couldn't just leave a baby stateless for 18 months while an FBR application was being processed.

Thaanks!
You need to be registered in the FBR prior to the birth of your child. They do not care and definitely would not give any allowance and stick to their dinosaur rules & regulations because all they care about now is having a Christmas. Don't waste your money like me. It's too late but don't worry we are the unfortunate ones because I'm due in Nov 2020.
It looks like Avro's wife is already an Irish citizen so her parent must have been born in Ireland so the baby can get citizenship through FBR. I'm almost 100% sure that the baby could come and live in Ireland at any point anyway but you'd just need to apply for the right visa. Ireland are pretty good with family visas etc. Not like the UK.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by BrexitEscapee » Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:55 am

Georgia345 wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:44 am
Hi. You may do your research online or read the latest news on third world countries eg: South East Asian countries for your general knowledge. If they understand the meaning of priority, then why backlog applications since last year even b4 covid19? There's a difference between being diligent and being efficient. So what happens when another crisis/pandemic hits again during covid19, burn the whole country down?
Progress update: I've searched on this website and the only posts I could find in the 'Other countries' forum are about renouncing Asian passports as part of the process of gaining UK citizenship. I've searched on Google for 'South East Asia citizenship through descent' and didn't find any country offering anything similar to FBR. The only authoritative guide I could find made it clear that gaining Citizenship in South East Asian countries was extremely convoluted and/or prohibitively expensive. Do you have any more specific examples of efficient third world processing of Citizenship post-Covid that I could Google on? Same as with your reply to Nodrick: I wouldn't know where to start searching for countries where citizenship applications are being processed on a working-from-home basis - any examples?

You're right that the processing times for FBR increased from 6 months to 18 months prior to Covid, but that was famously because of the explosion in demand caused by Brexit. But you raise a key point when you (jokingly) equate a further delay in FBR processing to a disaster on the level of burning the whole country down: that's the crux of the problem here. If FBR were to be cancelled tomorrow, it would have minimal impact on Ireland - the average Irish voter couldn't care less about a bunch of non-Irish people getting passports, and in terms of finance, the FBR programme is probably revenue-neutral at best.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Mandino55 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:58 am

BrexitEscapee wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:55 am
Georgia345 wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:44 am
Hi. You may do your research online or read the latest news on third world countries eg: South East Asian countries for your general knowledge. If they understand the meaning of priority, then why backlog applications since last year even b4 covid19? There's a difference between being diligent and being efficient. So what happens when another crisis/pandemic hits again during covid19, burn the whole country down?
Progress update: I've searched on this website and the only posts I could find in the 'Other countries' forum are about renouncing Asian passports as part of the process of gaining UK citizenship. I've searched on Google for 'South East Asia citizenship through descent' and didn't find any country offering anything similar to FBR. The only authoritative guide I could find made it clear that gaining Citizenship in South East Asian countries was extremely convoluted and/or prohibitively expensive. Do you have any more specific examples of efficient third world processing of Citizenship post-Covid that I could Google on? Same as with your reply to Nodrick: I wouldn't know where to start searching for countries where citizenship applications are being processed on a working-from-home basis - any examples?

You're right that the processing times for FBR increased from 6 months to 18 months prior to Covid, but that was famously because of the explosion in demand caused by Brexit. But you raise a key point when you (jokingly) equate a further delay in FBR processing to a disaster on the level of burning the whole country down: that's the crux of the problem here. If FBR were to be cancelled tomorrow, it would have minimal impact on Ireland - the average Irish voter couldn't care less about a bunch of non-Irish people getting passports, and in terms of finance, the FBR programme is probably revenue-neutral at best.
stop wasting your time on responding to this person

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by jgclancy » Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:27 pm

Mandino55 wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:58 am
BrexitEscapee wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:55 am
Georgia345 wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:44 am
Hi. You may do your research online or read the latest news on third world countries eg: South East Asian countries for your general knowledge. If they understand the meaning of priority, then why backlog applications since last year even b4 covid19? There's a difference between being diligent and being efficient. So what happens when another crisis/pandemic hits again during covid19, burn the whole country down?
Progress update: I've searched on this website and the only posts I could find in the 'Other countries' forum are about renouncing Asian passports as part of the process of gaining UK citizenship. I've searched on Google for 'South East Asia citizenship through descent' and didn't find any country offering anything similar to FBR. The only authoritative guide I could find made it clear that gaining Citizenship in South East Asian countries was extremely convoluted and/or prohibitively expensive. Do you have any more specific examples of efficient third world processing of Citizenship post-Covid that I could Google on? Same as with your reply to Nodrick: I wouldn't know where to start searching for countries where citizenship applications are being processed on a working-from-home basis - any examples?

You're right that the processing times for FBR increased from 6 months to 18 months prior to Covid, but that was famously because of the explosion in demand caused by Brexit. But you raise a key point when you (jokingly) equate a further delay in FBR processing to a disaster on the level of burning the whole country down: that's the crux of the problem here. If FBR were to be cancelled tomorrow, it would have minimal impact on Ireland - the average Irish voter couldn't care less about a bunch of non-Irish people getting passports, and in terms of finance, the FBR programme is probably revenue-neutral at best.
stop wasting your time on responding to this person
I second this motion

jgclancy

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by AntrimGrandchild » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:15 pm

BigDaddy100 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:48 pm
AntrimGrandchild wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:16 pm
BigDaddy100 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:25 am
My long wait is over! My FBR certificate and supporting docs were delivered yesterday.
USPS Informed Delivery sent a text saying my package was "delivered to an individual".
A few minutes later, it was in my mailbox. No-contact delivery, I guess. 8)

My timeline:
Application submitted online: 16 June 2019
Email acknowledging receipt of documents (Balbriggan): 01 July 2019
Confirmation of address email: 24 September 2020
Date added to FBR: 25 September 2020
Congrats email / Certificate Printed/Mailed: 01 October 2020
FBR certificate received: 20 October 2020

I will get started on the passport application, even though processing is paused for now.
The photo and notary steps will require a little more coordination than they did last time.
Best of luck to all. Hopefully, the Level 5 stage will pass quickly.
Congrats!!! I was wondering - how did you track the certificate from overseas? I receive a tracking reference number, but have no idea where I would input this information. Thank you for any help you can give!
Hi AntrimGrandchild,
I tracked with both the AnPost and USPS sites. Both let you enter the tracking number and read the current status. When the FBR team first sent out the package, it only appeared on the An Post site (after a day or two delay). Once the package reached the US (JFK), it appeared on both sites. Once it left JFK, only the USPS site showed an updated status and An Post no longer updated. Yesterday, when it was actually delivered, both sites showed it as having been delivered.

On the USPS site, you can sign up for email and text updates. You'll get an updated notification every time the package is scanned along the way. Even though it's registered mail, mail carriers aren't always requiring signatures (due to the pandemic?), and often leave the mail in the box. Given its importance, I was glad to receive the "Delivered" text as a heads-up. Good luck to you!
Thanks so much for your response @BigDaddy100! I checked An Post and couldn't find anything, but USPS said that a label had been created. This was really helpful and thank you!!m

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by avro1959 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:18 pm

Erm the commenter who indicated that birth registration processing is much more efficient in most Asian countries is right. In the rest of the world, foreign birth registration and transmission of citizenship is a serious matter treated with urgency, even during covid. It's typically dealt with by the embassy and treated with urgency since most expats and their newborns need to have a valid passport to continue living in whichever foreign country they're in, and most Asian countries do not have birthright citizenship. An Indian friend of mine who was born in Dubai also had a child born in Dubai just registered her child's birth at the embassy and it took a grand total of... 3 weeks. That's just one anecdote, I have several friends in Dubai (all expats from different countries) who had similar processes with their embassies.

Ireland is a different beast - most FBR applicants I see here are either British citizens who want to remain in the EU club, or North Americans looking for the thrill of a second passport. No wonder the Irish government has de-prioritized an otherwise very essential service. In their view, Brits and Americans can wait.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Georgia345 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:54 pm

BrexitEscapee wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:55 am
Georgia345 wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:44 am
Hi. You may do your research online or read the latest news on third world countries eg: South East Asian countries for your general knowledge. If they understand the meaning of priority, then why backlog applications since last year even b4 covid19? There's a difference between being diligent and being efficient. So what happens when another crisis/pandemic hits again during covid19, burn the whole country down?
Progress update: I've searched on this website and the only posts I could find in the 'Other countries' forum are about renouncing Asian passports as part of the process of gaining UK citizenship. I've searched on Google for 'South East Asia citizenship through descent' and didn't find any country offering anything similar to FBR. The only authoritative guide I could find made it clear that gaining Citizenship in South East Asian countries was extremely convoluted and/or prohibitively expensive. Do you have any more specific examples of efficient third world processing of Citizenship post-Covid that I could Google on? Same as with your reply to Nodrick: I wouldn't know where to start searching for countries where citizenship applications are being processed on a working-from-home basis - any examples?

You're right that the processing times for FBR increased from 6 months to 18 months prior to Covid, but that was famously because of the explosion in demand caused by Brexit. But you raise a key point when you (jokingly) equate a further delay in FBR processing to a disaster on the level of burning the whole country down: that's the crux of the problem here. If FBR were to be cancelled tomorrow, it would have minimal impact on Ireland - the average Irish voter couldn't care less about a bunch of non-Irish people getting passports, and in terms of finance, the FBR programme is probably revenue-neutral at best.
Read the post from avro1959. Please do not try to argue based on your research online (I gave you a general idea because I'm not sure if you have any acquaintance with Asian friends/relatives or works/worked in a company that has/had business acquaintance with Asian companies Or if you have lived in Asian countries before (going holiday for 6 months or many years is not counted) that had to deal with registrations abroad. So I think it is obvious that you do not practice efficency in your daily life /work. For instance, go google TEMPOYAK and if you have never seen/smell/taste it in real life and have no idea what it is how can you tell me whether you like it or not? By looking at all the images on Google and reading people 's review online or YouTube to tell me if you like it or not?

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