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DanaMarie
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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by DanaMarie » Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:22 am

Berthalily18 wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:13 pm
Hi again. So....I have now managed to obtain all relevant documents from various kinds of research etc, except my grandparents' marriage certificate. There is simply no record of their marriage. I have searched beyond the obvious Irish country (Waterford); I have searched a ridiculously wide period of time for the marriage record. I have even searched the UK records extensively, just in case. Nothing. I engaged the assistance of a chap in the Waterford Heritage Centre, who also drew a blank. He even went to the church he thought might have some records that aren't online, but still nothing. He says that the church's records for that particular period are simply not there. I surmise that something must have happened to them. I am pretty certain my grandparents DID marry. The Irish authorities must surely have witnessed my kind of problem before? Does anyone have any idea what I should do, or what the FBR people might think of this situation? Many thanks.
I had the same situation and in the end had to concede that it was very likely my grandparents never "legally" married though my grandmother was a devout Catholic to her dying day, was very active in the church community, and baptized my father and uncles. So I hired an immigration attorney who drafted an affidavit wherein we stated that even though they presented themselves as a married couple in all documents and in life, they had never entered a legal or civil marriage and then we presented all the evidence of my exhaustive search for a marriage record. I was entered into the FBR a year ago without issue or question.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Rwmc6 » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:26 am

Hello,

First time poster looking for some advice :D

I sent off my documents to apply to be added to the foreign births register in November 2019, and received the confirmation of receipt email a few days later. I believe at the moment applications are taking 18+ months.

We have just learned that my wife is expecting our first child (it seems weird even typing that!!).However, when I applied I did it with our future children in mind as I wanted them to have Irish nationality. With covid, who knows when my application will be fulfilled.

so my question is has anyone been in a similar position where they have applied then circumstances have changed (re pregnancy) and will the folks at the FBR office do anything so speed up your application?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by MikeyMike » Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:25 am

Rwmc6 wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:26 am
Hello,

First time poster looking for some advice :D

I sent off my documents to apply to be added to the foreign births register in November 2019, and received the confirmation of receipt email a few days later. I believe at the moment applications are taking 18+ months.

We have just learned that my wife is expecting our first child (it seems weird even typing that!!).However, when I applied I did it with our future children in mind as I wanted them to have Irish nationality. With covid, who knows when my application will be fulfilled.

so my question is has anyone been in a similar position where they have applied then circumstances have changed (re pregnancy) and will the folks at the FBR office do anything so speed up your application?

Thanks in advance!
From what I've read on this forum, pregnancies subsequent to FBR application are not uncommon. My understanding is that you need to supply the relevant documentation and follow up to ensure receipt. Ireland has only just come out of a higher level lockdown so it might take the DFA a little while to get going again. From this page (https://www.dfa.ie/citizenship/born-abr ... eign-birth), they suggest you get in touch via webchat: "If you are an expectant parent applying to be entered on the Foreign Births Register, please contact the Passport Service through our WebChat service." The link is: https://www.dfa.ie/passports/contact. One helpful suggestion I read earlier in this thread is to have your FBR application details ready to paste in to the webchat once you get through. Good luck and congratulations on the pregnancy!

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by AP1972 » Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:43 pm

Cant get onto the web chat but yes FBR is working,
Yesterday received request from fbrclarification@dfa.ie
for documents already provided to the Embassy of Ireland in Paris in August 2018.
This is the first email I have received from FBR since the acknowledgment of payment in August 2018, so that is more than 27 months including about a year when the Embassy in Paris held documents for the extensive checking process.
Replied to FBR by email with email scans of documents already submitted (which are originals and cannot be re-issued). Anyone else had that experience?
Trying to get web chat to clarify with them on the documents but not sure it is working.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by AP1972 » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:47 pm

AP1972 wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:43 pm
Cant get onto the web chat but yes FBR is working,
Yesterday received request from fbrclarification@dfa.ie
for documents already provided to the Embassy of Ireland in Paris in August 2018.
This is the first email I have received from FBR since the acknowledgment of payment in August 2018, so that is more than 27 months including about a year when the Embassy in Paris held documents for the extensive checking process.
Replied to FBR by email with email scans of documents already submitted (which are originals and cannot be re-issued). Anyone else had that experience?
Trying to get web chat to clarify with them on the documents but not sure it is working.
Passport office web chat open, FBR web chat not open as of yet........

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by MikeyMike » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:52 pm

AP1972 wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:47 pm
AP1972 wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:43 pm
Cant get onto the web chat but yes FBR is working,
Yesterday received request from fbrclarification@dfa.ie
for documents already provided to the Embassy of Ireland in Paris in August 2018.
This is the first email I have received from FBR since the acknowledgment of payment in August 2018, so that is more than 27 months including about a year when the Embassy in Paris held documents for the extensive checking process.
Replied to FBR by email with email scans of documents already submitted (which are originals and cannot be re-issued). Anyone else had that experience?
Trying to get web chat to clarify with them on the documents but not sure it is working.
Passport office web chat open, FBR web chat not open as of yet........
True, but the passport webchat is handling expedited (i.e. pregnancy related) FBR queries.

"We cannot answer FBR queries at this time as FBR is paused until Ireland returns to Level 3 of the National Framework for Living with COVID-19. If you have an urgent query, such as you are an expectant parent, please contact us through the Passport Service webchat team."

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by jamiepompey » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:06 pm

Rwmc6 wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:26 am
Hello,

First time poster looking for some advice :D

I sent off my documents to apply to be added to the foreign births register in November 2019, and received the confirmation of receipt email a few days later. I believe at the moment applications are taking 18+ months.

We have just learned that my wife is expecting our first child (it seems weird even typing that!!).However, when I applied I did it with our future children in mind as I wanted them to have Irish nationality. With covid, who knows when my application will be fulfilled.

so my question is has anyone been in a similar position where they have applied then circumstances have changed (re pregnancy) and will the folks at the FBR office do anything so speed up your application?

Thanks in advance!
I had this exact situation. I applied in July 2019 and my wife and I found out we were expecting in April of this year. In August when the FBR team started processing again I sent a copy of the first trimester scan results along with the expected due date to the FBR team. I think they took a month to add me to the FBR from that point. I now have my passport, I was very lucky as not long after they went into the most recent lockdown.

I initially contacted them through the web chat and they instructed me to send in the extra documents. Hope that’s helpful.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by schmood » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:29 am

So the FBR website still says "The processing of Foreign Birth Registrations has been paused until Dublin returns to Level 3 on the National Framework for Living with COVID-19."

I understood that the whole of Ireland was now in Level 3. Is that not the case? :| :shock:

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Corkythecat » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:09 am

schmood wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:29 am
So the FBR website still says "The processing of Foreign Birth Registrations has been paused until Dublin returns to Level 3 on the National Framework for Living with COVID-19."

I understood that the whole of Ireland was now in Level 3. Is that not the case? :| :shock:
They seem to update this passport page only. It includes a paragraph for FBR and it was changed on the 1st December to say they are now processing FBRs again.

https://dfa.ie/passports/

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by JuniorBatman » Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:58 pm

Corkythecat wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:09 am
They seem to update this passport page only. It includes a paragraph for FBR and it was changed on the 1st December to say they are now processing FBRs again.

https://dfa.ie/passports/
I won't believe it until I see someone post some progress on their application!

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by JaneKnits » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:46 pm

Good News for those from Summer/early Fall 2019!

Today, I got my address confirmation email so clearly they are back at processing.

To say I'm thrilled beyond belief is an understatement!

For those who have been waiting over a year, hang in there -- what a Christmas gift this is! :D

My Timeline Updated:
21/08/2019 -- FBR Application online/paid fee
30/08/2019 -- Mailed/registered all documents
05/09/2019 -- E-mail from FBR office confirming receipt of my documents
03/12/2020 -- E-mail for address confirmation and FBR application will be approved shortly!
TBD -- FBR mailed
TBD -- FBR received
TBD -- Passport application process started
TBD -- Passport received

Best of luck to everyone waiting!
Jane
JaneKnits wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:24 pm
Hello all!
I'd dithered about applying for my FBR for over 3 years, and began compiling my documents.
My paternal grandparents were both born in Ireland but my grandfather was easier to get the docs for.
He was born in Belfast in 1900 and was able to get his birth certificate easily due to the info from the 1901 and 1911 Census. He came to NYC when he was 18.

My timeline is as follows:
21/08/2019 - FBR application online/paid fee
30/08/2019 - Mailed/registered all documents
05/09/2019 - E-mail from FBR office confirming receipt of my documents (saying it would take up to 6 months)

Now I wait... I'm hoping that it won't be too long before I hear back though I'm prepared for a 12 month wait.

I appreciate all the info on here as it has been so helpful to me.
Jane

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Fbrlad » Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:23 am

The processing of Foreign Birth Registrations resumed on 1 December 2020.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by ReturningIrish » Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:52 am

Yesterday we received an email to say that my daughter's entry into the FBR will be approved shortly and asking us to confirm our postal address. I'd accepted it could be many months before we heard anything more, so I'm delighted that we're now at this stage. It's very exciting!

Good luck to everyone else still waiting. There is hope!

FBR application (for my daughter):

Application submitted: 5 August 2019
Application received in Dublin: 14 August 2019*
Confirmation of postal address email: 3 December 2020
Congratulations you are now an Irish citizen email: Pending
Printing of FBR certificate: Pending
Delivery of FBR certificate: Pending

* Date of email acknowledging receipt of application and supporting documents

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by JaneKnits » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:29 pm

ReturningIrish,

I also thought it would be well into January or Feb 2021 before I saw anything, I guess we were close before this last lockdown!

Congratulations!
ReturningIrish wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:52 am
Yesterday we received an email to say that my daughter's entry into the FBR will be approved shortly and asking us to confirm our postal address. I'd accepted it could be many months before we heard anything more, so I'm delighted that we're now at this stage. It's very exciting!

Good luck to everyone else still waiting. There is hope!

FBR application (for my daughter):

Application submitted: 5 August 2019
Application received in Dublin: 14 August 2019*
Confirmation of postal address email: 3 December 2020
Congratulations you are now an Irish citizen email: Pending
Printing of FBR certificate: Pending
Delivery of FBR certificate: Pending

* Date of email acknowledging receipt of application and supporting documents

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by JuniorBatman » Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:02 pm

Congrats JaneKnits and ReturningIrish, really good to see them progressing again.

And credit to the Irish government for how they are managing it all. It's an annoying wait, but I suspect the way they are controlling the virus means it is actually going to be shorter than it would be than if they tried to keep open. Even with these two post-shutdown notifications the waits seem to be shorter than they were for the May 2019 applications.

Fingers crossed for those of us still waiting.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Pb300 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:04 am

I’m still waiting to hear on my June 2019 application. I’m getting very concerned now that August and September applications have received updates. Does anyone else still have a June 2019 or earlier application with no word?

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Doddyod » Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:44 pm

Pb300 wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:04 am
I’m still waiting to hear on my June 2019 application. I’m getting very concerned now that August and September applications have received updates. Does anyone else still have a June 2019 or earlier application with no word?
I had my address confirmation e-mail the day before this latest pause, mine was a June 4th 2019 confirmation of receipt in Balbriggen application, so I too am thinking why have I not heard anything back despite August submissions catching mine up or overtaking them?

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by daveandtrace » Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:08 pm

Hello, Im hoping someone on here could please give me some advice with my Foreign Births Register application before i submit it.
I'm applying for Irish citizenship through FBR as my Grandmother was born in Tipperary but my mother was born in England.
I have managed to obtain all the necessary documentation and was about to submit it before we noticed a potential stumbling block.
We have my Grandmothers original copy of the Irish birth certificate with just her first name and the same surname of both her parents(Butler).
On her death certificate she also has the correct maiden name down as Butler.
Unfortunately on her English marriage certificate she has a different surname than what should have been her maiden name.
We believe she came across to England and fell pregnant with my mother or got pregnant in Ireland before she left for England and took on a different surname to make people believe she had got married in England and had not had a child out of wedlock.
We have carried out extensive online checks to see if there was evidence of another marriage but haven't found anything and none of the remaining family know anything about another marriage, apparently she chose the other name as she liked the name.
With the birth certificate there is clear proof of Irish nationality of my Grandmother also backed up by the maiden name on her death certificate.
The problem we have is there is no link to the assumed name on her marriage certificate and are worried this could cause an issue on the FBR application.
We think that this situation must have happened lots of times in the past and are hoping someone on here could share their experience of this and advise us on what to do or whether this will be a problem or not.
Many thanks for any help that can be given David

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by jamiepompey » Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:38 pm

daveandtrace wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:08 pm
Hello, Im hoping someone on here could please give me some advice with my Foreign Births Register application before i submit it.
I'm applying for Irish citizenship through FBR as my Grandmother was born in Tipperary but my mother was born in England.
I have managed to obtain all the necessary documentation and was about to submit it before we noticed a potential stumbling block.
We have my Grandmothers original copy of the Irish birth certificate with just her first name and the same surname of both her parents(Butler).
On her death certificate she also has the correct maiden name down as Butler.
Unfortunately on her English marriage certificate she has a different surname than what should have been her maiden name.
We believe she came across to England and fell pregnant with my mother or got pregnant in Ireland before she left for England and took on a different surname to make people believe she had got married in England and had not had a child out of wedlock.
We have carried out extensive online checks to see if there was evidence of another marriage but haven't found anything and none of the remaining family know anything about another marriage, apparently she chose the other name as she liked the name.
With the birth certificate there is clear proof of Irish nationality of my Grandmother also backed up by the maiden name on her death certificate.
The problem we have is there is no link to the assumed name on her marriage certificate and are worried this could cause an issue on the FBR application.
We think that this situation must have happened lots of times in the past and are hoping someone on here could share their experience of this and advise us on what to do or whether this will be a problem or not.
Many thanks for any help that can be given David
I had a slightly different situation. My grandmother lied about her age when she married my grandfather (she made herself nine years younger on the marriage certificate). All names however were correct.

I am now an Irish citizen and it was never questioned. I think they are quite used to discrepancies on these old documents but you could always include a cover note explaining the situation when you send your documents off with the application.

Like you say there is good evidence with the other documents so you could be alright. Having said that you really won’t know until they get round to looking at your application.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Koolboy » Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:55 am

AP1972 wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:43 pm
Cant get onto the web chat but yes FBR is working,
Yesterday received request from fbrclarification@dfa.ie
for documents already provided to the Embassy of Ireland in Paris in August 2018.
This is the first email I have received from FBR since the acknowledgment of payment in August 2018, so that is more than 27 months including about a year when the Embassy in Paris held documents for the extensive checking process.
Replied to FBR by email with email scans of documents already submitted (which are originals and cannot be re-issued). Anyone else had that experience?
Trying to get web chat to clarify with them on the documents but not sure it is working.
We both are in the same boat. I applied my FBR through London Embassy in July 2018. Submitted all the documents but never heard back. They I emailed them in February 2019, they replied that they received my documents in November 2018 in Ireland. Means London Embassy kept hold my documents for 5 months they sent for further process in Ireland. In November 2019, I contacted them again but they said it's still in process. In August 2020, I sent them documents of pregnancy of my wife and contacted them via webchat. They confirmed me that they received my documents and I will get my FBR certificate before the expected date which was in the mid October 2020. But nothing happened. My son was born in October 2020 but still have not heard anything. I am very disappointed with them. It's nearly 30 months since I applied. I don't know what to do.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by stingray90 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:05 am

Update


Application submitted online: 22 July 2019
Email acknowledging receipt of documents (Balbriggan): 08 August 2019
Confirmation of address email: 09 October 2020
Date added to FBR: 21 October 2020 (the day before lockdown - confirmed via web chat)
Congrats email: 4 December 2020
FBR certificate received: Pending

I found out via web chat that my application got spot checked, hence the delay between the confirmation of address and the date added to the FBR. After several set backs (brexit, covid, spot checked, secondary lockdown) my certificate is finally on its way!

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by ReturningIrish » Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:54 am

jamiepompey wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:38 pm

I had a slightly different situation. My grandmother lied about her age when she married my grandfather (she made herself nine years younger on the marriage certificate).
If she manged to convince your grandad that she was almost a decade younger she must have had some great genes. Lucky you! Haha :D

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by ReturningIrish » Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:55 am

JaneKnits wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:29 pm
ReturningIrish,

I also thought it would be well into January or Feb 2021 before I saw anything, I guess we were close before this last lockdown!

Congratulations!
Thank you, JaneKnits, and congratulations to you too!

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by ReturningIrish » Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:57 am

JuniorBatman wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:02 pm
Congrats JaneKnits and ReturningIrish, really good to see them progressing again.

And credit to the Irish government for how they are managing it all. It's an annoying wait, but I suspect the way they are controlling the virus means it is actually going to be shorter than it would be than if they tried to keep open. Even with these two post-shutdown notifications the waits seem to be shorter than they were for the May 2019 applications.

Fingers crossed for those of us still waiting.
Thanks, JuniorBatman. And yes, I'm also impressed that the DFA are cracking on with these FBR applications given the circumstances.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Nodrick » Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:48 am

Well done and congratulations on all those now moving on. Good to see things moving again.

My time line is :-
Application submitted online: 15 May 2019
Email acknowledging receipt of documents (Balbriggan): 29 May 2019
Confirmation of address email: Awaiting
Date added to FBR: Awaiting
Congrats email: Awaiting
FBR certificate received: Awaiting

I know I’m not the only one in this situation, but it is frustrating when you see August submissions moving on when you are being told things are moving on in strict date order……
That said, I guess there are much bigger issues in the world right now.

I'm half tempted to e-mail - anyone had any success with this?

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