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Yup. Looking like a two-year FBR wait for those caught at the wrong end of this, my kids' applications went in mid-November 2019 and before the currently lockdown the average wait suggested mid-April for registration, so we'll be adding six months to that.tomriddle2u wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:46 pmLooks like level 5 lockdown until May
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/c ... 07667.html
I agree with you most businesses approaching a year since the pandemic first hit have found ways to make their workplace Covid safe but the Irish Foreign Births Department are unable to operate? As are the Irish Passport Applications Department as their offices are also closed and no passports are being processed until Ireland is in Level 4 or lower which won’t be until April at the earliest!V3rvangen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:08 pmI have to say, the fact that the office is likely now closed again all the way until at least April is absolutely insane. I could understand the office being closed during the first lockdowns, when this situation was new and the whole world was caught by surprise and shut down, but they've now had a year to find a way to carry on service. Every other business has had to find ways to work from home, or make their workplaces safe. It is absolutely unacceptable to close such an important government service, which people like myself are depending on.
At this rate, I won't get my citizenship until 2022, when I'm intending to study abroad in September later this year, so I'll likely have to postpone that for a year.
To be fair, most of the documents needed to apply on the FBR are public record - anyone can apply to get a copy of anyone else's birth, marriage or death certificate, at least here in the UK.RGH wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:25 pmI'm frustrated as well, but I can't figure a way a that the FBR employees could get this work done at home. Imagine our thousands on thousands of important private personal documents floating around between the FBR office to these people's private homes? No thank you! How would they get from the secure hold to the employees' homes and back? are they expected to do this or a messenger service? Either way, as annoyed as I am at the interminable delay, I'd rather my precious documents stay safe and confidential!
Yeah I'd imagine there has to be a way to streamline it so documents can be checked for authenticity at the office, but then scanned to be used for the actual review process remotely. It's not like handling secure documents is anything unique for the FBR office - literally every workplace has confidential client information.ripforreallldo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:06 ami completely agree-i definitely do not want my paperwork floating around where it doesn’t belong! that being said...each of us did our fair share of hunting down centuries-old documents. SURELY the first thing the staff must do is scan these to digitize them for future generations and applications in the name of organization, efficiency and at least fire proofing. if everything is digitized and social distancing is the norm now, one would think this show could continue. the website says 12-18 months but the irish passport twitter let it slip in a response to an inquiry (a few months ago) that it would be more like 18-24. hmm...as the irish say “there is nothing so bad it couldn’t be worse”
UPDATE: I contacted the Consulate. They told me to provide the new address and they would update my application.BigDaddy100 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:28 pmHas anyone else changed their address after applying for a passport? We will be moving at the end of March (same general area). After processing, does the Passport Office or Consulate send an address confirmation email like the FBR team does, or should I reach out to them now?
I do agree that all of us here are incredibly lucky that Ireland has such a liberal citizenship policy, and I truly will be eternally grateful for it, and will cherish it far and above my other citizenship and country ties. But the fact remains that Irish law grants us the right to participate in the Irish nation, after a simple registration process. It's an awkward grey area in the sense that we're not citizens yet, but yet are intrinsically entitled to it from birth. Obviously as non-citizens yet our needs should be behind the needs of current citizens, andJuniorBatman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:53 pmAs much as it is mightily inconvenient for those of us waiting for an FBR I'm not sure we should be criticising the way the Irish government are handling it, especially here.
Pretty much every government in the world has faced criticism for the way they have handled things, whether it's doing too much, too little, too quick or too slow. It is for the Irish government to decide what measures they think are necessary and I wouldn't expect them to give my needs too much weight. For the most part those waiting are the second generation born outside Ireland and won't ever have lived or paid tax on the island.
It's inconvenient, but often we are only going through the process for our own convenience. Personally I'm hugely grateful that Ireland has such a liberal citizenship policy, and don't have any complaint over them exercising their sovereign right to implement a lockdown policy. I'd rather wait a little longer for my children to become Irish than risk people in Ireland becoming ill to speed it up.
To have the Irish Foreign Birth offices closed since late December last year and not be able to process any applications until next month (or possibly even later) is beyond ridiculous!JuniorBatman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:53 pmAs much as it is mightily inconvenient for those of us waiting for an FBR I'm not sure we should be criticising the way the Irish government are handling it, especially here.
Pretty much every government in the world has faced criticism for the way they have handled things, whether it's doing too much, too little, too quick or too slow. It is for the Irish government to decide what measures they think are necessary and I wouldn't expect them to give my needs too much weight. For the most part those waiting are the second generation born outside Ireland and won't ever have lived or paid tax on the island.
It's inconvenient, but often we are only going through the process for our own convenience. Personally I'm hugely grateful that Ireland has such a liberal citizenship policy, and don't have any complaint over them exercising their sovereign right to implement a lockdown policy. I'd rather wait a little longer for my children to become Irish than risk people in Ireland becoming ill to speed it up.
) and I didn’t even put a return address on the envelope ( ). I feel sick.
Mail is not being "turned away" from the office, it is still being delivered however no mail will actually be opened or any documents processed until normal operations resume.Colfla wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:05 pmHi all
Sent off my documents this week for my FBR application but just read that I should send them until the office reopens after lockdown!!! Even worse I didn’t send them signed for (
Worst case scenario: if the letter is turned away by the office, will the Irish post open the letter before destroying it, so they will be able to return the precious documents to me?
Thanks
Can I please point out that no one's FBR application is guaranteed to be successful and citizenship on the basis of irish grandparents is not an automatic right, hence why an application has to be made and proof needs to be submitted which in some cases is not deemed sufficient enough.V3rvangen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:08 pmI have to say, the fact that the office is likely now closed again all the way until at least April is absolutely insane. I could understand the office being closed during the first lockdowns, when this situation was new and the whole world was caught by surprise and shut down, but they've now had a year to find a way to carry on service. Every other business has had to find ways to work from home, or make their workplaces safe. It is absolutely unacceptable to close such an important government service, which people like myself are depending on.
At this rate, I won't get my citizenship until 2022, when I'm intending to study abroad in September later this year, so I'll likely have to postpone that for a year.
nmcilveen2016 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:35 amCan I please point out that no one's FBR application is guaranteed to be successful and citizenship on the basis of irish grandparents is not an automatic right, hence why an application has to be made and proof needs to be submitted which in some cases is not deemed sufficient enough.V3rvangen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:08 pmI have to say, the fact that the office is likely now closed again all the way until at least April is absolutely insane. I could understand the office being closed during the first lockdowns, when this situation was new and the whole world was caught by surprise and shut down, but they've now had a year to find a way to carry on service. Every other business has had to find ways to work from home, or make their workplaces safe. It is absolutely unacceptable to close such an important government service, which people like myself are depending on.
At this rate, I won't get my citizenship until 2022, when I'm intending to study abroad in September later this year, so I'll likely have to postpone that for a year.
So let me get this straight you are depending on the fact that Ireland will grant you irish citizenship, despite the fact that no FBR application submitted is guaranteed and there is a possible chance for whatever reason the application could be rejected, thats your own fault you can't automatically expect that another country gives you citizenship so you can go and study ! No one should ever be applying for FBR citizenship with the expectation that it will be granted, thats not the way it works.
I don't want to get into an argument, I know that's why the last thread on FBR was shut down, and I feel like I've been as civil as possible.nmcilveen2016 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:35 amCan I please point out that no one's FBR application is guaranteed to be successful and citizenship on the basis of irish grandparents is not an automatic right, hence why an application has to be made and proof needs to be submitted which in some cases is not deemed sufficient enough.V3rvangen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:08 pmI have to say, the fact that the office is likely now closed again all the way until at least April is absolutely insane. I could understand the office being closed during the first lockdowns, when this situation was new and the whole world was caught by surprise and shut down, but they've now had a year to find a way to carry on service. Every other business has had to find ways to work from home, or make their workplaces safe. It is absolutely unacceptable to close such an important government service, which people like myself are depending on.
At this rate, I won't get my citizenship until 2022, when I'm intending to study abroad in September later this year, so I'll likely have to postpone that for a year.
So let me get this straight you are depending on the fact that Ireland will grant you irish citizenship, despite the fact that no FBR application submitted is guaranteed and there is a possible chance for whatever reason the application could be rejected, thats your own fault you can't automatically expect that another country gives you citizenship so you can go and study !
chelsearob77 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:21 pmTo have the Irish Foreign Birth offices closed since late December last year and not be able to process any applications until next month (or possibly even later) is beyond ridiculous!JuniorBatman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:53 pmAs much as it is mightily inconvenient for those of us waiting for an FBR I'm not sure we should be criticising the way the Irish government are handling it, especially here.
Pretty much every government in the world has faced criticism for the way they have handled things, whether it's doing too much, too little, too quick or too slow. It is for the Irish government to decide what measures they think are necessary and I wouldn't expect them to give my needs too much weight. For the most part those waiting are the second generation born outside Ireland and won't ever have lived or paid tax on the island.
It's inconvenient, but often we are only going through the process for our own convenience. Personally I'm hugely grateful that Ireland has such a liberal citizenship policy, and don't have any complaint over them exercising their sovereign right to implement a lockdown policy. I'd rather wait a little longer for my children to become Irish than risk people in Ireland becoming ill to speed it up.
Yes there is currently a global pandemic but as I said before most businesses have been more than able to make their work premises Covid safe for their employees but the Irish Foreign Birth and Passports offices have been unable to do the same?
Don’t get me wrong I’m not in any particular rush for my Irish citizenship to be processed but am entitled to express my opinion on their total lack of progress since December last year!
And no I don’t expect the Irish Foreign Birth Registration department employees to be taking everyone’s official documents home to be able to process our Irish citizenships but as others said previously on here they should have been verifying the official documents and scanning them upon receiving them in their offices so they would be ready for processing when the time came for the processing of the applicants citizenship application, surly there’s nothing to stop a certain number of their employees to go into the offices to check and scan our documents now surly providing Covid safety mesures was in place?
Also for the record I lived, worked and paid taxes for a good few years in Ireland until recently so have a strong understanding of the country and not just someone wanting a quick EU passport through my Irish grandparents.
Exactly my point!V3rvangen wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:57 amI don't want to get into an argument, I know that's why the last thread on FBR was shut down, and I feel like I've been as civil as possible.nmcilveen2016 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:35 amCan I please point out that no one's FBR application is guaranteed to be successful and citizenship on the basis of irish grandparents is not an automatic right, hence why an application has to be made and proof needs to be submitted which in some cases is not deemed sufficient enough.V3rvangen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:08 pmI have to say, the fact that the office is likely now closed again all the way until at least April is absolutely insane. I could understand the office being closed during the first lockdowns, when this situation was new and the whole world was caught by surprise and shut down, but they've now had a year to find a way to carry on service. Every other business has had to find ways to work from home, or make their workplaces safe. It is absolutely unacceptable to close such an important government service, which people like myself are depending on.
At this rate, I won't get my citizenship until 2022, when I'm intending to study abroad in September later this year, so I'll likely have to postpone that for a year.
So let me get this straight you are depending on the fact that Ireland will grant you irish citizenship, despite the fact that no FBR application submitted is guaranteed and there is a possible chance for whatever reason the application could be rejected, thats your own fault you can't automatically expect that another country gives you citizenship so you can go and study !
But you can't just go spouting things like 'citizenship on the basis of irish grandparents is not an automatic right' - actually yes it is, providing the criteria are met. That's kind of the entire point of this process.
Obviously sufficient evidence needs to be submitted, as it does for anything, so I don't understand your point that 'for whatever reason the application could be rejected' - providing we meet the criteria and submit the required evidence, why would it be rejected? And even if mine does eventually get rejected for some unforeseen reason, my entire issue is that NO evidence is being reviewed for ANY applications at this point.
I'm also fed up of this idea that wanting to be granted your legal right in a timely manner is somehow acting 'entitled'; Irish law allows me to become an Irish citizen, I have paid a large fee to exercise that right. I don't see that as any more entitled than making use of any other public service where I'm legally entitled to it.
'you can't automatically expect that another country gives you citizenship so you can go and study' - well we all have our own personal reasons for applying, and I won't be shamed for mine. I'm legally entitled to become an Irish citizen. I've already accepted I'm frustrated because of my personal situation, and I feel like I've been more than patient in the year since I submitted my application. I'm not complaining at 'FBR delays' as you put it - if they were processing at even a 20th of the speed as before the pandemic, that would be some progress and I wouldn't be as frustrated. But they've completely shut down a crucial service.
