Foreign Birth Registration

Hi Everyone!!

I'm new to this process and cannot find the answer I'm looking for on the FBR pages of the Irish Authorities.

My question concerns applying through my Irish born grandmother for approval to join the FBR and ultimately nationality. Before I can apply, does my dad need to have already registered on the FBR or does it not make any difference to my application if I apply??

Thanks in advance for any assistance!!

Expat Paul wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:40 pm

Hi Everyone!!

I'm new to this process and cannot find the answer I'm looking for on the FBR pages of the Irish Authorities.

My question concerns applying through my Irish born grandmother for approval to join the FBR and ultimately nationality. Before I can apply, does my dad need to have already registered on the FBR or does it not make any difference to my application if I apply??

Thanks in advance for any assistance!!

Not only does your father not need to apply, he in fact CANNOT apply for FBR since he is already an Irish citizen automatically. FBR is only for people born abroad to an Irish citizen parent *and* who are not automatically Irish citizens themselves. Your father does not meet that criteria since birth to an Irish citizen parent who was born in Ireland (i.e. your grandmother) is sufficient to automatically pass on Irish citizenship; the first generation born abroad gets Irish citizenship automatically at birth.

So whether your father realizes it or not, he is in fact and has always been an Irish citizen. He may directly apply for an Irish passport if he wants. But regardless of if he applies for a passport or does anything, he is an Irish citizen. He doesn't have to do anything.

You on the other hand fall into the category of "born to an Irish citizen parent outside of Ireland but not eligible for automatic transfer of Irish citizenship." So you have to apply for FBR and are not an Irish citizen until approved.

Hope that helps!

Expat Paul wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:40 pm

Hi Everyone!!

I'm new to this process and cannot find the answer I'm looking for on the FBR pages of the Irish Authorities.

My question concerns applying through my Irish born grandmother for approval to join the FBR and ultimately nationality. Before I can apply, does my dad need to have already registered on the FBR or does it not make any difference to my application if I apply??

Thanks in advance for any assistance!!

You are applying via descent based on your grandparent. You just need your father's birth certificate-long form /marriage certificate/ notarized copy of ID (or death certificate-if deceased).Your father is an Irish citizen by birth all ready.

Good luck..jgclancy

Thanks for the information.

However, my dad is not an Irish citizen as he was born in the UK to an Irish mother but never applied for citizenship. Hence my issue is can I apply using my Grandmother without my dad registering first on the FBR (so skipping a generation)??

If your mother was born on the island of Ireland then the previous response's are your answer!

Expat Paul wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:01 pm

Thanks for the information.

However, my dad is not an Irish citizen as he was born in the UK to an Irish mother but never applied for citizenship. Hence my issue is can I apply using my Grandmother without my dad registering first on the FBR (so skipping a generation)??

If your mother was born on the island of Ireland then the previous response's are your answer!

Expat Paul wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:01 pm

Thanks for the information.

However, my dad is not an Irish citizen as he was born in the UK to an Irish mother but never applied for citizenship. Hence my issue is can I apply using my Grandmother without my dad registering first on the FBR (so skipping a generation)??

Sorry, If your grandmother was born on the island of Ireland then the previous replies are your answer***

Expat Paul wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:01 pm

Thanks for the information.

However, my dad is not an Irish citizen as he was born in the UK to an Irish mother but never applied for citizenship. Hence my issue is can I apply using my Grandmother without my dad registering first on the FBR (so skipping a generation)??

I'll tell you what--have your dad apply for an Irish passport = he will get one!
His mother was an Irish citizen born in Ireland therefore he is as an Irish citizen. I'm an American . If I have a kid anywhere in the world -guess what -my kid is American. Get it? Your dad is an Irish citizen.
So... NO ---just like my first answer said -your father does NOT have to do any FBR stuff--just need his birth/marriage/notarized ID

Good Luck Again...jgclancy

Expat Paul wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:01 pm

Thanks for the information.

However, my dad is not an Irish citizen as he was born in the UK to an Irish mother but never applied for citizenship.

Your dad is an Irish citizen. He may not have ever applied for an Irish passport but he is an Irish citizen from birth due to his mother.
He doesn't need to apply for a passport for you to initiate FBR. All you need is the relevant documentation to show lineage from your grandmother to you through your father.

Hi All,

I'm in a bit of a confusing situation and I'm wondering if you can help. I'm applying for FBR through my Irish grandfather, he was a quirky character and tended to fabricate things a bit. On his birth and marriage certificate just his first and last name are written, however on his death certificate he has his first name, two middle names that he added later in life, and a surname.

The problem is that he never officially had any middle names, he just added them on without any deed poll or name change documentation whatsoever (yet they are present on his death certificate). So I'm a bit lost as to whether to write those middle names in the "Current forename (if different)" section, or whether I should just leave it as his first and last name.

Thanks in advance!

Expat Paul wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:01 pm

Thanks for the information.

However, my dad is not an Irish citizen as he was born in the UK to an Irish mother but never applied for citizenship. Hence my issue is can I apply using my Grandmother without my dad registering first on the FBR (so skipping a generation)??

As the posters before me have accurately indicated, your father is an Irish citizen. There is no "applying" for Irish citizenship for the first generation born abroad. In fact, your father is an Irish citizen whether he likes it or not. It is automatic. Applying for documentation of his Irish citizenship is different than applying for Irish citizenship. As an example, there are many British citizens who are British from birth but who don't obtain their first UK passport until adulthood. Similar with your father: his lack of proof of Irish citizenship, like a passport, is irrelevant to the fact that he is an Irish citizen.

Again, this is different from you: you are the second generation born abroad and actually have to apply to get citizenship through the FBR.

Hope that helps!

Ben-94 wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:02 pm

Hi All,

I'm in a bit of a confusing situation and I'm wondering if you can help. I'm applying for FBR through my Irish grandfather, he was a quirky character and tended to fabricate things a bit. On his birth and marriage certificate just his first and last name are written, however on his death certificate he has his first name, two middle names that he added later in life, and a surname.

The problem is that he never officially had any middle names, he just added them on without any deed poll or name change documentation whatsoever (yet they are present on his death certificate). So I'm a bit lost as to whether to write those middle names in the "Current forename (if different)" section, or whether I should just leave it as his first and last name.

Thanks in advance!

I wouldn't worry about it. Especially since "he" didn't add them to his death certificate . If worried then just add a note about the extra names and attach to the death certificate. Hopefully, the birth date/age on his death certificate matches up with his birth certificate. that's the important part. Many older Irish civil records didn't include middle names either. For the FBR application just use his first & last names on his birth certificate.

jgclancy

Thank God,
I've been quietly waiting and watching for almost 26 months!!!
I need to thank this blog has been the thread of hope to me to know what's going on!!!!! Many thanks!!!!

Application @ Oct, 2019
Doc's received 23, 12, 2019
Confirmation of address today!!!!
15, 02, 2022

Update -

04/11/2019 - Online application submitted
02/12/2019 - Documents received
03/02/2022 - Confirmation of address
15/02/2022 - Congratulations email

fani4mike & freewondering CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jgclancy

I love seeing these congrats emails rolling in! Makes the year or so until mine should come in a tiny bit easier

Can adopted kids get on the FBR?

My sister is adopted. She was adopted under US law.
Our grandfather was born in Ireland.
She has no idea who her birth parents (or grandparents) are/were. Safe to say they're not Irish.

Can my sister apply for Irish citizenship through the FBR?

GoingBackBackToEire wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:56 pm

Can adopted kids get on the FBR?

My sister is adopted. She was adopted under US law.
Our grandfather was born in Ireland.
She has no idea who her birth parents (or grandparents) are/were. Safe to say they're not Irish.

Can my sister apply for Irish citizenship through the FBR?

I believe (but you should check with an Irish government authority) that she would be entitled but her adoption would have to be registered iin Ireland.

jgclancy

I called today re my application in early 2021. They said they’re just finishing processing 2019, then on to 2020 then hopefully 2021 to follow.

I am concerned though- I sent my docs without tracking and they can’t check if it’s received because they’re just stored in the post box. Anyone else in a similar position?

I called today re my application in early 2021. They said they’re just finishing processing 2019, then on to 2020 then hopefully 2021 to follow.

I am concerned though- I sent my docs without tracking and they can’t check if it’s received because they’re just stored in the post box. Anyone else in a similar position?

I’m in a similar position as door-to-door tracking from Australia to Ireland is not available with our post office. I sent my documents in June 2020 and have heard nothing since, as expected. I have read other posts of people hearing nothing until the address check so I’m remaining optimistic.

xRGHx wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:52 pm

I love seeing these congrats emails rolling in! Makes the year or so until mine should come in a tiny bit easier

I second that - Almost in the year I applied....

Excited to wake up to an address confirmation email:

Date of application 14 / 12 /2018
Documents Received Email 17 / 12/ 2019
Address Confirmation Email 16 / 02 / 2022

Next up: Understanding and preparing for passport submission, so I can submit as soon as the FBR certificate is received.

wboy411a wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:59 pm

Excited to wake up to an address confirmation email:

Date of application 14 / 12 /2018
Documents Received Email 17 / 12/ 2019
Address Confirmation Email 16 / 02 / 2022

Next up: Understanding and preparing for passport submission, so I can submit as soon as the FBR certificate is received.

Passport is simpler & taking about 2-3 months right now. You'll have to send your birth cert. & FBR certificate & passport (you can send a notarized copy -I did) when you apply . When you apply you print out the application which will have all the required documetslisted including a page for witness to sign(no stamp or business card required for this)
Make sure your photo meets the specifications.

Good Luck....jgclancy....my passport is in the mail to me now

As one of the last 2019 applicants, I am pleased to report a confirmation of address email today.

Date of Application: November 30, 2019
Documents Received: December 30, 2019
Address Conf. email: February 16, 2022

So, after 2 years and 1 and 1/2 months, Team 1 says I will be approved for the FBR and requested address confirmation.

Thanks to all who have posted here as it has been a tremendous support in the long wait. It will be a Jameson for me tonight!

Cheers