Foreign Birth Registration

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:09 am

rdslight wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:25 am
This seems a lot quicker than the 72 working day turnaround noted on the website. The tracker was very accurate however in terms of timescale for my three kids passports.

Good luck to all those still waiting! Sure won't be long.....

The passport issuance experience was 10 times better for me than the opaque FBR rigmarole. Having the passport tracker was more reassuring in its transparent treatment of the various stages involved - as was the provision of an estimated date of issuance. In my case, the tracker was inaccurate by about a week and my passport was slightly late. However, I was able to confirm via webchat that everything was in order and it was just a question of application volume delaying matters.

If anything could be improved, it would be overseas delivery times - outside Ireland / UK. It took my passport 12 days to get back to China. Many couriers can do it in 2. A faster delivery option (at optional increased cost) would be nice to have.

The FBR section have a lot that they could learn from the practices of their DFA colleagues in the passport office.

Pumps100 · Post by **Pumps100** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:24 am

FlyingMum wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:41 pm

Sulla wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:31 am

FlyingMum wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:15 am
Has anyone been successful for FBR with just a baptismal certificate and a letter from the DFE confirming that a search was made and no civil record of birth was found? To avoid complication, I’m thinking of applying for Late Registration anyway but I’d be curious to know others experiences.
In the past, baptismal certificates were accepted - as were affidavits explaining the absence of documents from applications. However, this is no longer the case and this tighter way of operating has existed for a couple of years at least within the DFA. If you apply without the civil birth certificate, you will certainly get a request for further documentation somewhere down the line. This will delay your application and is obviously an unwelcome outcome.

I'm afraid you will have to go through the process of late registration of the birth of your ancestor. After this has been done, you should have no issues to apply for FBR using the newly issued civil birth certificate from the GRO. I presume you refer to late registration of a birth in Ireland.

Other users here including Brexitescapee, may be able to provide you with deeper insight on this matter. I think he has some experience of this.
Thank you for your reply Sulla. That’s explained it very well. You’ve made me glad I am going down the Late Registration route after all. I was thinking it might be unnecessary waste of time, but clearly not. My Irish born grandmothers birth never had a civil registration so I’ve had to download the forms from the GRO Roscommon that confirm details of her parents deaths plus a copy of her baptism certificate, a signed document from a notary to confirm I’m who I say I am and that I’m telling the truth about the actual birth.

Not sure how long Late registrations take? Hopefully, not as long as I’m anticipating for my FBR!

Sorry for coming in late on this. Apologies if you have already done this but is it possible for you to check again for her birth record. When records are not found it is sometimes helpful to look for a different name or some time before and after when you think she was born. There is a search facility on www.irishgenealogy.ie Often people got the date or name wrong. Apologies for being late to party.

Ian

fvigaud · Post by **fvigaud** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:28 pm

Hi all,

I am helping my father (UK citizen, Resident Alien in the U.S.) apply for his first Irish passport.

I see on the DFA site that for those that were born outside of Ireland, he should submit "Your original passport from another country"

To be clear, this is the original passport, no? I am recalling there was some back and forth on this board over someone who sent in an original passport and had to ask for it back... So thought I'd just double check.

Thank you,
F

BrexitEscapee · Post by **BrexitEscapee** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:50 pm

fvigaud wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:28 pm
I see on the DFA site that for those that were born outside of Ireland, he should submit "Your original passport from another country"

I'm assuming, because you've posted it here, that he's got his citizenship through Foreign Birth Registration? If so, have a look here (Click on 'Adult first time application,' then 'Eligible for irish citizenship...blah..blah...grandparent.': https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/great- ... dofIreland

It gives the requirement as: 'Official Photo Identification. The Passport Service requires an original or certified copy of a passport or National ID Card from another country or an original or certified copy of a Driver’s license in order to establish your identity. If you send your original document, we will not return these to you until the application process is complete. Alternatively, you can send a copy certified by one of the following: a police officer, a solicitor or the witness who signs Section 9 of your application form. If you are applying via Passport Express in the Post Offices in Glasgow or Liverpool, the copy of your photographic identification may be witnessed by a postal official from one of those post offices.'

Which bit of the website is saying it needs to be the original?

LesMalouinettes · Post by **LesMalouinettes** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:25 pm

BrexitEscapee wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:50 pm

fvigaud wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:28 pm
I see on the DFA site that for those that were born outside of Ireland, he should submit "Your original passport from another country"

Which bit of the website is saying it needs to be the original?

I think he's referring to the information on the actual passport application form, because I had the same concern but I'm pretty sure that requirement is not for first-time applicants, but rather for those who already have an Irish passport.

The actual wording for 1st Time Applicants is as follows:

Original Long Form Birth Certificate

Original Civil Marriage Certificate (If Applicable)

Proof of Entitlement to Irish Citizenship if born abroad.

Photo Identification: e.g. Drivers Licence (A certified copy of your drivers licence will suffice if certified by the same person who witnessed your application form), National identity card, college identification, passport from another country.

Proof of Name. Such as payslips, tax documents, college registration, etc.

Proof of Address: such as utility bills, bank statements, government correspondence etc.

PLEASE NOT ONLY ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION WILL BE ACCEPTED. WE DO NOT ACCEPT PHOTOCOPIES (UNLESS SPECIFIED) OR LAMINATED DOCUMENTS.

It doesn't specify anywhere that you need to supply ALL of these. For me personally, I will be in France for three months and have tasked my Mother with submitting my application on my behalf (When my FBR application is finally approved) and would be very hesitant to post my passport back to her to accompany my application. I guess i'll ring the embassy today for clarification but I truly believe that the list of requested documents doesn't mean you have to supply one of each. After all, not everyone has college registration documents/college identification, right?

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:26 pm

fvigaud wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:28 pm
Hi all,

I am helping my father (UK citizen, Resident Alien in the U.S.) apply for his first Irish passport.

I see on the DFA site that for those that were born outside of Ireland, he should submit "Your original passport from another country"

To be clear, this is the original passport, no? I am recalling there was some back and forth on this board over someone who sent in an original passport and had to ask for it back... So thought I'd just double check.

Thank you,
F

Sending of the original (UK) passport is not advised. You will not see it for about 2 months. I am not certain of the applicable laws in the United States, but as your father is a resident rather than a citizen there, it may be a legal requirement for him to retain his passport in case of inspection. Certainly, this was the case for me when I applied from China.

As has been indicated, certified copies are acceptable and I advise you to go down that route. It's easy enough to make a color photocopy of the passport photo-page and get the witness to your passport application to write Certified as a true copy, date and sign it. This would not really add time or cost.

The only time that an original passport will be required for a passport application, is for a renewal. As far as I know this is the case pretty much everywhere, not just in Ireland.

The back and forth you refer to was probably the case of Lee. He sent his original UK passport to the DFA for FBR, not for the passport application. He later got it back after asking the FBR section. They made a copy and returned it. Given that FBR applications can take 10 months or more, in that situation, nobody should really be sending in their original passport.

Jaxx22 · Post by **Jaxx22** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:00 am

I am reading it that you send a certified copy of the passport, driving licence or ID card (photographic proof)
just like you do/did for the FBR application.

Logically they shouldn't be requesting an original current passport for security purposes and also you may need said document for travelling in the meantime while waiting for the Irish one to be processed and sent.

LesMalouinettes · Post by **LesMalouinettes** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:28 am

Jaxx22 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:00 am
Logically they shouldn't be requesting an original current passport for security purposes and also you may need said document for travelling in the meantime while waiting for the Irish one to be processed and sent.

Exactly! Which is why I won't be sending mine.

rnc312 · Post by **rnc312** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:06 pm

FlyingMum wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:41 pm

Sulla wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:31 am

FlyingMum wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:15 am

My Irish born grandmothers birth never had a civil registration so I’ve had to download the forms from the GRO Roscommon that confirm details of her parents deaths plus a copy of her baptism certificate, a signed document from a notary to confirm I’m who I say I am and that I’m telling the truth about the actual birth.

We are going through the same thing ... we have a baptismal certificate for the Irish-born parent but no civil birth record was found by the GRO / Irish Registrar of Births.

The consulate suggested that we use the baptismal certificate when applying for late registration of birth, then we can hopefully receive a record of civil birth and, eventually, a passport.

(We used the baptismal certificate several years ago to successfully have a grandchild entered in the FBR ... but I guess the rules have changed and now they require the civil birth certificate only?)

Is there a website link you could direct me to in order to download the necessary forms to apply for late birth registration?

Thank you!

Michael123 · Post by **Michael123** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:16 pm

Anyone have any idea of how long it takes to print the FBR certificate after being approved?

dublin3 · Post by **dublin3** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:01 pm

Michael123 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:16 pm
Anyone have any idea of how long it takes to print the FBR certificate after being approved?

My Daughter’s application was approved on 8th of May and after waiting for month and I called yesterday and was told that there is a huge backlog in returning documents. She said you are looking at atleast a month before you receive anything.
I have also seen a post here where a person got approved on 27th and received cert on 4th of June.
Dont understand how does it work.
All the best

rnc312 · Post by **rnc312** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:20 pm

BrexitEscapee wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:34 pm

FlyingMum wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:41 pm
Not sure how long Late registrations take? Hopefully, not as long as I’m anticipating for my FBR!
I applied on 4th December and had an email to confirm the birth had been registered on 11th Jan. So this was over the Christmas period and they had also had to ask me a question by email (to confirm my Great Grandparents' family name - their records don't go back that far) so it's pretty quick - expect a month's wait. You'll then need to apply for a paper birth certificate to use in your FBR. They sent me an application form with the late registration confirmation email, and the birth certificate took around 10 days to arrive.

Hi. We have the baptismal certificate for the Irish-born parent (grandparent). FBR application for the grandchild was successful in 2014. Now the son of said relative would like to obtain a passport ... but our Irish consulate said they want us to register the birth through the GRO in order to obtain a civil birth certificate.

I do not know how to do this, though. The consulate did not seem to know either, and asked us to reach out to the GRO through email. I emailed the GRO but have not received a reply.

So, what is the procedure to apply for late civil birth registration? And, could you please point me towards a website link to the necessary forms that need to be downloaded? (I searched the GRO website and didn't see the forms or find anything regarding "late civil births registration").

Thank you.

Court2 · Post by **Court2** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:36 pm

To those who have applied from the UK via passport express in Liverpool or Glasgow, how much was the service charge?

The DFA website states the fee for a first time passport is 80 euros, however no where seems to state if the passport express service has an additional/extra charge, I assume it does!

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:54 pm

Michael123 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:16 pm
Anyone have any idea of how long it takes to print the FBR certificate after being approved?

Mine took 4 months. However, it seems that they are getting on top of things a little more recently as people seem to have been receiving their certificates within a month. The DFA did tell you 2-3 weeks in the E-mail that you received from them. Perhaps you will be lucky and get yours within that time-frame. You certainly deserve a little good fortune given how unlucky you were with the FBR processing time generally.

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:12 pm

Court2 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:36 pm
To those who have applied from the UK via passport express in Liverpool or Glasgow, how much was the service charge?

The DFA website states the fee for a first time passport is 80 euros, however no where seems to state if the passport express service has an additional/extra charge, I assume it does!

Hi Court

Zippy did this in February from Glasgow and it cost him £11 for the Passport Express service charge. He also paid £70 for the passport itself. The cost is Euro 9.50 using AnPost in Ireland. Therefore, it is a bit more expensive from the UK, but the fee is still relatively low given the month or so it can shave off your wait time.

FlyingMum · Post by **FlyingMum** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:15 pm

rnc312 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:20 pm

BrexitEscapee wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:34 pm

FlyingMum wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:41 pm
Not sure how long Late registrations take? Hopefully, not as long as I’m anticipating for my FBR!
I applied on 4th December and had an email to confirm the birth had been registered on 11th Jan. So this was over the Christmas period and they had also had to ask me a question by email (to confirm my Great Grandparents' family name - their records don't go back that far) so it's pretty quick - expect a month's wait. You'll then need to apply for a paper birth certificate to use in your FBR. They sent me an application form with the late registration confirmation email, and the birth certificate took around 10 days to arrive.
Hi. We have the baptismal certificate for the Irish-born parent (grandparent). FBR application for the grandchild was successful in 2014. Now the son of said relative would like to obtain a passport ... but our Irish consulate said they want us to register the birth through the GRO in order to obtain a civil birth certificate.

I do not know how to do this, though. The consulate did not seem to know either, and asked us to reach out to the GRO through email. I emailed the GRO but have not received a reply.

So, what is the procedure to apply for late civil birth registration? And, could you please point me towards a website link to the necessary forms that need to be downloaded? (I searched the GRO website and didn't see the forms or find anything regarding "late civil births registration").

Thank you.

I got a response from this email address:

gro@groireland.ie

Late Registration Section
General Registrar’s office
Government Buildings
Convent Rd
Roscommon
Co. Roscommon
F42 VX53

I hope this helps.

Michael123 · Post by **Michael123** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:34 pm

Sulla wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:54 pm

Michael123 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:16 pm
Anyone have any idea of how long it takes to print the FBR certificate after being approved?
Mine took 4 months. However, it seems that they are getting on top of things a little more recently as people seem to have been receiving their certificates within a month. The DFA did tell you 2-3 weeks in the E-mail that you received from them. Perhaps you will be lucky and get yours within that time-frame. You certainly deserve a little good fortune given how unlucky you were with the FBR processing time generally.

4 months is not good! I called today and it has not yet been printed.

Yes, 2-3 weeks but that doesn’t necessarily mean I will have it in 2-3 weeks, perhaps printed in 2-3 weeks...

Michael

rnc312 · Post by **rnc312** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:54 pm

FlyingMum wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:15 pm

rnc312 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:20 pm

BrexitEscapee wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:34 pm

FlyingMum wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:41 pm
Not sure how long Late registrations take? Hopefully, not as long as I’m anticipating for my FBR!

I got a response from this email address:

gro@groireland.ie

Late Registration Section
General Registrar’s office
Government Buildings
Convent Rd
Roscommon
Co. Roscommon
F42 VX53

I hope this helps.
Thank you for the contact info. I did send an email to that specific email address, so maybe I will need to give them more time to respond.

You mentioned downloading forms ... can that be done via the GRO website or will they have to post them to me?

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:15 am

Michael123 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:34 pm
4 months is not good! I called today and it has not yet been printed.

No it wasn't good. I waited 7.5 months on FBR and the majority of that time was due to printing and postage. If you recall, I was quite understanding of the situation until about February of 2018 and not critical of them at all. The utter farce that was the printing and postal phase of my application completely changed my perspective on the performance of the FBR section.

In terms of the delay, if they had told me that they needed more time to authenticate certificates, conduct background checks or evaluate inconsistencies in the documents, I would not have complained or said a word. However, when it became apparent that none of that accounted for the delay I was experiencing and that something as routine as printing and postage was taking months, then my tolerance of them ended.

Richard experienced a delay of over 3 months for the same reason. I hope that the restructuring was responsible and that neither you nor anyone else has to go through such an unnecessary wait.

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:50 am

Sulla wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:15 am
If you recall, I was quite understanding of the situation until about February of 2018 and not critical of them at all.

Sorry, I meant to say February 2019. It seems the editing window is relatively short and I missed it.

Court2 · Post by **Court2** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:08 am

Sulla wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:12 pm

Court2 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:36 pm
To those who have applied from the UK via passport express in Liverpool or Glasgow, how much was the service charge?

The DFA website states the fee for a first time passport is 80 euros, however no where seems to state if the passport express service has an additional/extra charge, I assume it does!
Hi Court

Zippy did this in February from Glasgow and it cost him £11 for the Passport Express service charge. He also paid £70 for the passport itself. The cost is Euro 9.50 using AnPost in Ireland. Therefore, it is a bit more expensive from the UK, but the fee is still relatively low given the month or so it can shave off your wait time.

Thanks for this Sulla! Definitely worthwhile as you say for the time saved, entering 9.5 months since I applied now so would like to get everything concluded within a year! Sounds like 10 months thereabouts is the current wait time for UK applicants so almost almost there now... I hope!

FlyingMum · Post by **FlyingMum** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:17 am

rnc312 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:54 pm

FlyingMum wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:15 pm

rnc312 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:20 pm

BrexitEscapee wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:34 pm

I got a response from this email address:

gro@groireland.ie

Late Registration Section
General Registrar’s office
Government Buildings
Convent Rd
Roscommon
Co. Roscommon
F42 VX53

I hope this helps.
Thank you for the contact info. I did send an email to that specific email address, so maybe I will need to give them more time to respond.

You mentioned downloading forms ... can that be done via the GRO website or will they have to post them to me?
The GRO were very helpful and sent me a link so I could download the two forms. I’m trying to post that link on here to see if I can help, but haven’t had much success so far!

This is the actual reply I received from them:

“If your mother is deceased you as a person having an interest may apply to this office to register her birth as a late registration. I have attached a B1 form (list of requirements) and a CRA12L (application for a late registration of birth). Please return this along with the documentary evidence as outlined (original documents are required) in the B1 form to the address below“

My mother isn’t actually deceased, but I’ve sent her baptism certificate, her parents death certificates, marriage certificate plus the declaration form listed above which states that I am applying truthfully to register her birth. This particular form had to be signed by a notary, peace commissioner or commissioner for oaths ( as a way of identifying me)

rnc312 · Post by **rnc312** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:30 pm

FlyingMum wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:17 am
rnc312 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:54 pm
FlyingMum wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:15 pm
rnc312 wrote: ↑
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I got a response from this email address:
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gro@groireland.ie
Late Registration Section
General Registrar’s office
Government Buildings
Convent Rd
Roscommon
Co. Roscommon
F42 VX53

I hope this helps.
The GRO were very helpful and sent me a link so I could download the two forms. I’m trying to post that link on here to see if I can help, but haven’t had much success so far!
Thank you again for your assistance!

When I asked the Irish consulate for information on how to apply for late births registration, the response was the GRO "may or may not still provide this service, or there is specific criteria/documentation required to facilitate it. Their offices would best serve you with this information."

The GRO has yet to reply to my email to gro@groireland.ie ... so no link for me. I guess I'll patiently wait a few more days and then phone them?

Hol292 · Post by **Hol292** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:32 pm

Just spoke to the FBR team so thought I’d give an update.

He said my application (sent 1st week in August) has yet to be checked so hasn’t been processed at all. But that they have moved on to August 2018 applications now so he’d hope for some news for me in the next few weeks and said to give them a call back if I don’t hear anything.

I’d hoped for better news - even if it’s just that my documents had all been primarily checked and were in order. But oh well. It takes as long as it takes and I’m sure the guys are working hard on the backlog.

Court2 · Post by **Court2** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:07 pm

You’re lucky to even get through to them today! I tried every other hour since 9am opening today to get an update and every time greeted by ‘unfortunately due to high number of calls we are unable to take any calls’.

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