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bfs_lawd
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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by bfs_lawd » Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:27 am

FrozenTundra wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:31 pm
TOM O wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:54 pm
I was wondering, when my name is in the FBR that would signify that I am a Irish citizen born in another country , correct?
If so could my adult son apply for his Irish citizenship seeing he was born to me?
No, your son would not be eligible for Irish citizenship since your Irish citizenship through FBR is not retroactive to your birth: you are only an Irish citizen from date printed on the FBR certificate onwards. Since your citizenship isn't retroactive, your son was not born to an Irish citizen and thus is ineligible for Irish citizenship by descent.

Fun aside: prior to 1986 Irish citizenship through FBR was indeed retroactive to the applicants birth and thus you used to be able to do what you are asking. You could in theory have multiple generations all apply at once for Irish citizenship through FBR since all of their citizenships would be back dated to their birth.

Another fun aside: my ex-girlfriend was able to obtain Italian citizenship through her great-grandfather. This is because the Italian government granted her father Italian citizenship by descent (through his grandfather) and then my ex-girlfriend was able to apply through her father even though she was an adult when he registered as an Italian citizen. This is because that Italian citizenship was backdated to his birth; Italy backdates all citizenships to birth. This is why you see 5th or 6th generation "Italians" in North and South America who have Italian passports but with no recent ancestor from Italy. Ireland does not do this and is not as generous.
Ireland has a huge disaporia, if Ireland had the same rules as italy in allowing retropestive bloodline citizenship, you would easily have many times the population of Ireland having entitlement, that would be a serious concern as you would effectively have people in other countries having undue influence in irish affairs.

To date the amount of FBR registered people since 1956 stands at around 250,000, most of whom did not register before the next generation being born, while that maybe significant in regards to Irelands population its a tiny number to the population of the UK and USA, and would not cause a "swamp" of the native population.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by rduncan22 » Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:45 am

Should I be concerned that I never received a document received email? Docs sent Dec 2020… just had a look on the Google doc and seen others who sent around this time received email confirmation back in early 2021. If the last two years have been a waste and my documents are lost I’m gonna cry 🙃😫

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by ferocious12 » Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:38 am

Hi All,

I have to send FBR application for my daughter. FBR form I printed says send it to Embassy of Ireland in UAE. I read somewhere all the applications now are required to be sent to Ireland directly. I am based in Qatar.

Can you please clarify?

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Offalyslowprocess » Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:12 pm

First time post but long time lurker. Thanks to all those keeping this conversation going ! Here are my application details (to add to the March 20 population)

Online submission date : 19 Jan 20
Documents received date : 11 March 20

29 months and still counting :-(

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Offalyslowprocess » Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:12 pm

First time post but long time lurker. Thanks to all those keeping this conversation going ! Here are my application details (to add to the March 20 population)

Online submission date : 19 Jan 20
Documents received date : 11 March 20

29 months and still counting :-(

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by BforBrussels » Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:32 pm

So, this one seems like a tricky one. I'm not sure about the spelling differences and how they might affect things.

That said, many people get their FBR and the certificate doesn't exactly match their home passport because the FBR issues the certificate to whatever the name on your birth certificate is. So, for the people who changed their names (especially for marriage), the FBR has their birth name and NOT the name that is on current passports.

People in this thread have talked about trying to get their passports to match, but they generally waited until they were applying for their passport.

If you're concerned, I would either call and ask, OR just explain it in a cover letter. You aren't alone in this one; name formatting is a pain globally.

Hope this helps. If not, I'm sure there is more information from someone here. Good luck!

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by BforBrussels » Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:34 pm

mmccarthy404 wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 11:04 pm
Now I have a passport issue that I bet might be common to a few others in the forum.

I have a 'Mc' surname, and so I have two capital letters in my name like 'McCarthy'. In my current US passport it's written with a space like 'MC CARTHY' since it's all caps, but after I just filled out the passport form, the identity verification form just refers to my surname as 'Mccarthy' right now.

I think it's best if my Irish passport name perfectly matched my US passport name, but I'm not sure if it's possible to change after you submit your form online... Anyone have experience here?
So, this one seems like a tricky one. I'm not sure about the spelling differences and how they might affect things.

That said, many people get their FBR and the certificate doesn't exactly match their home passport because the FBR issues the certificate to whatever the name on your birth certificate is. So, for the people who changed their names (especially for marriage), the FBR has their birth name and NOT the name that is on current passports.

People in this thread have talked about trying to get their passports to match, but they generally waited until they were applying for their passport.

If you're concerned, I would either call and ask, OR just explain it in a cover letter. You aren't alone in this one; name formatting is a pain globally.

Hope this helps. If not, I'm sure there is more information from someone here. Good luck!

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by HPFA » Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:11 pm

rduncan22 wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:45 am
Should I be concerned that I never received a document received email? Docs sent Dec 2020… just had a look on the Google doc and seen others who sent around this time received email confirmation back in early 2021. If the last two years have been a waste and my documents are lost I’m gonna cry 🙃😫
I sent docs in Dec 2020 and never received anything either although I've kept proof of delivery. I'm sure I've seen other people on here saying the same thing.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Revin Kevin » Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:13 pm

Offalyslowprocess wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:12 pm
First time post but long time lurker. Thanks to all those keeping this conversation going ! Here are my application details (to add to the March 20 population)

Online submission date : 19 Jan 20
Documents received date : 11 March 20

29 months and still counting :-(
My docs were delivered on the 7th March 2020 so very close to yours! I didn't ever receive an acknowledgement of receipt from FBR however so just praying that all is OK and I receive the address confirmation in the coming weeks.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Dalton_Trumbo » Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:16 am

bfs_lawd wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:27 am
FrozenTundra wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:31 pm
TOM O wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:54 pm
I was wondering, when my name is in the FBR that would signify that I am a Irish citizen born in another country , correct?
If so could my adult son apply for his Irish citizenship seeing he was born to me?
No, your son would not be eligible for Irish citizenship since your Irish citizenship through FBR is not retroactive to your birth: you are only an Irish citizen from date printed on the FBR certificate onwards. Since your citizenship isn't retroactive, your son was not born to an Irish citizen and thus is ineligible for Irish citizenship by descent.

Fun aside: prior to 1986 Irish citizenship through FBR was indeed retroactive to the applicants birth and thus you used to be able to do what you are asking. You could in theory have multiple generations all apply at once for Irish citizenship through FBR since all of their citizenships would be back dated to their birth.

Another fun aside: my ex-girlfriend was able to obtain Italian citizenship through her great-grandfather. This is because the Italian government granted her father Italian citizenship by descent (through his grandfather) and then my ex-girlfriend was able to apply through her father even though she was an adult when he registered as an Italian citizen. This is because that Italian citizenship was backdated to his birth; Italy backdates all citizenships to birth. This is why you see 5th or 6th generation "Italians" in North and South America who have Italian passports but with no recent ancestor from Italy. Ireland does not do this and is not as generous.
Ireland has a huge disaporia, if Ireland had the same rules as italy in allowing retropestive bloodline citizenship, you would easily have many times the population of Ireland having entitlement, that would be a serious concern as you would effectively have people in other countries having undue influence in irish affairs.

To date the amount of FBR registered people since 1956 stands at around 250,000, most of whom did not register before the next generation being born, while that maybe significant in regards to Irelands population its a tiny number to the population of the UK and USA, and would not cause a "swamp" of the native population.
Very good point. I do wonder however, how many of the people claiming citizenship by descent are doing to live in Ireland vs get an EU passport and live in a different country within the EU. I'd be curious to see that data.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by ferocious12 » Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:37 am

ferocious12 wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:38 am
Hi All,

I have to send FBR application for my daughter. FBR form I printed says send it to Embassy of Ireland in UAE. I read somewhere all the applications now are required to be sent to Ireland directly. I am based in Qatar.

Can you please clarify?

any help. Thanks

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by TInFE » Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:44 am

Dalton_Trumbo wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:16 am
bfs_lawd wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:27 am


To date the amount of FBR registered people since 1956 stands at around 250,000, most of whom did not register before the next generation being born, while that maybe significant in regards to Irelands population its a tiny number to the population of the UK and USA, and would not cause a "swamp" of the native population.
Very good point. I do wonder however, how many of the people claiming citizenship by descent are doing to live in Ireland vs get an EU passport and live in a different country within the EU. I'd be curious to see that data.
250,000 since the 1950s isn't as large as I thought. It may be interesting to see whether it would be in the interest of Ireland to allow retroactive applications in future - clearly it wasn't post 1986, but times change...

As for intentions to claiming citizenship, I don't think I fall into either of those categories, although an EU passport will be nice.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Kathyandemma » Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:17 pm

rduncan22 wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:45 am
Should I be concerned that I never received a document received email? Docs sent Dec 2020… just had a look on the Google doc and seen others who sent around this time received email confirmation back in early 2021. If the last two years have been a waste and my documents are lost I’m gonna cry 🙃😫
Same! My docs were delivered to Ireland Dec 24 2020 and I have not heard a thing - no email, no snail mail... I am just hoping the email went to my junk folder and is long gone. I am keeping my fingers crossed I will hear something soon.
Kathy

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Dalton_Trumbo » Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:34 pm

TInFE wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:44 am
Dalton_Trumbo wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:16 am
bfs_lawd wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:27 am


To date the amount of FBR registered people since 1956 stands at around 250,000, most of whom did not register before the next generation being born, while that maybe significant in regards to Irelands population its a tiny number to the population of the UK and USA, and would not cause a "swamp" of the native population.
Very good point. I do wonder however, how many of the people claiming citizenship by descent are doing to live in Ireland vs get an EU passport and live in a different country within the EU. I'd be curious to see that data.
250,000 since the 1950s isn't as large as I thought. It may be interesting to see whether it would be in the interest of Ireland to allow retroactive applications in future - clearly it wasn't post 1986, but times change...

As for intentions to claiming citizenship, I don't think I fall into either of those categories, although an EU passport will be nice.
I would guess that as a small island of 5 million people, limiting citizenship by descent to 1 generation removed (grandparent) controls the potential influx of people, particularly from the US. Look at the impact an event like Brexit in the UK had on the Irish passport and FBR offices and processes. Imagine if there was an event in the US and you had millions of people with the right to Irish citizenship. From what I've read 31.5 million Americans claim some kind of Irish descent. Maybe that's the thought process. They don't have the resources, economy or infrastructure to support an type of significant influx of people.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Dalton_Trumbo » Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:38 pm

Kathyandemma wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:17 pm
rduncan22 wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:45 am
Should I be concerned that I never received a document received email? Docs sent Dec 2020… just had a look on the Google doc and seen others who sent around this time received email confirmation back in early 2021. If the last two years have been a waste and my documents are lost I’m gonna cry 🙃😫
Same! My docs were delivered to Ireland Dec 24 2020 and I have not heard a thing - no email, no snail mail... I am just hoping the email went to my junk folder and is long gone. I am keeping my fingers crossed I will hear something soon.
Kathy
I wouldn't worry too much. The Irish government did what was supposed to be a temporary lockdown over the holiday season of 2020, then didn't actually reopen til Nov of 2021 iirc. That's prob why you didn't receive a confirmation. There is a phone number now, if you're worried then try to give them a call, I'm sure they could quickly confirm for you from your application number and set your mind at ease.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by duffy1867 » Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:42 pm

ferocious12 wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:37 am
ferocious12 wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:38 am
Hi All,

I have to send FBR application for my daughter. FBR form I printed says send it to Embassy of Ireland in UAE. I read somewhere all the applications now are required to be sent to Ireland directly. I am based in Qatar.

Can you please clarify?

any help. Thanks
There was a time (and do bear in mind that this is somewhat hearsay and memory based on the history of this forum) and particularly before COVID and Brexit, that FBR applications were more often handled locally.

I seem to remember that in some cases (maybe South Africa?) - that the SA Embassy were one of the few places that could approve FBR locally (obviously the advantage here that it was much, much faster)

I don't personally remember seeing anyone else from UAE/Qatar applying for FBR, so maybe they can do it locally too, or maybe someone took the decision to let applications be sent to the embassy for batch forwarding to ROI - lots of guesses here...

The only thing I would say for sure is that you have no choice but to send to the address on your form. I guess it will also be cheap too, cheaper than EU/international posting at least.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Dalton_Trumbo » Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:43 pm

duffy1867 wrote:
Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:42 pm
ferocious12 wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:37 am
ferocious12 wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:38 am
Hi All,

I have to send FBR application for my daughter. FBR form I printed says send it to Embassy of Ireland in UAE. I read somewhere all the applications now are required to be sent to Ireland directly. I am based in Qatar.

Can you please clarify?

any help. Thanks
There was a time (and do bear in mind that this is somewhat hearsay and memory based on the history of this forum) and particularly before COVID and Brexit, that FBR applications were more often handled locally.

I seem to remember that in some cases (maybe South Africa?) - that the SA Embassy were one of the few places that could approve FBR locally (obviously the advantage here that it was much, much faster)

I don't personally remember seeing anyone else from UAE/Qatar applying for FBR, so maybe they can do it locally too, or maybe someone took the decision to let applications be sent to the embassy for batch forwarding to ROI - lots of guesses here...

The only thing I would say for sure is that you have no choice but to send to the address on your form. I guess it will also be cheap too, cheaper than EU/international posting at least.
Since you have a local Embassy I would say just reach out to them and confirm.

When I first became aware of the FBR (from a friend of mine who had just done the process) in the early 2000s, the process was handled by local Embassies, (the Irish Embassy in NYC in my case), you physically handed in the application and evidence to them. Not sure when that stopped, but it was in fact the process years ago.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by GlasgowLass » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:21 am

Dalton_Trumbo wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:38 pm
Kathyandemma wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:17 pm
rduncan22 wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:45 am
Should I be concerned that I never received a document received email? Docs sent Dec 2020… just had a look on the Google doc and seen others who sent around this time received email confirmation back in early 2021. If the last two years have been a waste and my documents are lost I’m gonna cry 🙃😫
Same! My docs were delivered to Ireland Dec 24 2020 and I have not heard a thing - no email, no snail mail... I am just hoping the email went to my junk folder and is long gone. I am keeping my fingers crossed I will hear something soon.
Kathy
I wouldn't worry too much. The Irish government did what was supposed to be a temporary lockdown over the holiday season of 2020, then didn't actually reopen til Nov of 2021 iirc. That's prob why you didn't receive a confirmation. There is a phone number now, if you're worried then try to give them a call, I'm sure they could quickly confirm for you from your application number and set your mind at ease.
I am in the same position having applied April 21, never received an acknowledgment but have proof of delivery. Could someone kindly post the contact telephone number?

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by JohnFBR » Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:58 pm

Hi All,

I received my cert yesterday. Google doc updated.

Docs sent - 10-Feb-2020 Docs received - 19-Feb-2020 Confirmation Call - 4-Aug-2022 Congrats email - 19-Aug-2022 Cert received - 25-Aug-2022

Good luck everybody!

🇮🇪

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Revin Kevin » Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:17 pm

GlasgowLass wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:21 am
Dalton_Trumbo wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:38 pm
Kathyandemma wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:17 pm
rduncan22 wrote:
Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:45 am
Should I be concerned that I never received a document received email? Docs sent Dec 2020… just had a look on the Google doc and seen others who sent around this time received email confirmation back in early 2021. If the last two years have been a waste and my documents are lost I’m gonna cry 🙃😫
Same! My docs were delivered to Ireland Dec 24 2020 and I have not heard a thing - no email, no snail mail... I am just hoping the email went to my junk folder and is long gone. I am keeping my fingers crossed I will hear something soon.
Kathy
I wouldn't worry too much. The Irish government did what was supposed to be a temporary lockdown over the holiday season of 2020, then didn't actually reopen til Nov of 2021 iirc. That's prob why you didn't receive a confirmation. There is a phone number now, if you're worried then try to give them a call, I'm sure they could quickly confirm for you from your application number and set your mind at ease.
I am in the same position having applied April 21, never received an acknowledgment but have proof of delivery. Could someone kindly post the contact telephone number?
I rang them and was told that they can't deal with specific case queries only general questions which makes them as much use as a chocolate fire guard IMHO.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by Dalton_Trumbo » Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:16 pm

JohnFBR wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:58 pm
Hi All,

I received my cert yesterday. Google doc updated.

Docs sent - 10-Feb-2020 Docs received - 19-Feb-2020 Confirmation Call - 4-Aug-2022 Congrats email - 19-Aug-2022 Cert received - 25-Aug-2022

Good luck everybody!

🇮🇪
Congrats John!

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by ripforreallldo » Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:17 am

the fact that they’re beginning to ignore individual requests is crazy, especially for people who submitted in 2020! the website, the “hotline”, the contact #s and emails, in addition to oireachtas, give us no information. many of us are well past the two year mark. i’ve been telling my family “any day now” but the fact i’ve been saying that for over a year now…sheesh

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by morgendorffer » Sun Aug 28, 2022 9:18 am

https://www.gov.ie/en/consultation/a963 ... d-correct/

I don't really understand what this is or what it means, but wonder what effect this will have on the already exhaustive waiting times.

Also... I did a Twitter search for 'foreign birth register' to see what people have been saying.
I saw one guy griping that he was still waiting, he got an update in April that they were working on Jan 2020 and was confused how they were still on Feb 2020 in August.

The wait is frustrating, but I feel for the guys who process the applications.
With such a massive backlog they must feel like they have an impossible mountain to climb.

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by elle2022 » Sun Aug 28, 2022 2:37 pm

Long time lurker here, but registered to post an update that might be useful:

Online application submitted: 20/02/2020
Email from dfa 'Application received' (assuming this means my documents were received): 25/02/2020
...
Confirmation of address & a clarification query from the person processing: 05/08/2022
Application approved & certificate posted: 23/08/2022.

Still waiting for the certificate to arrive (in UK)...

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Re: Foreign Birth Registration

Post by JohnLA » Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:30 am

Hi, Just to introduce myself' I'm John a Stonemason from Gloucestershire although originally a Yorkshireman. Have only just submitted my documents, Friday week.
I have a Latvian wife so Irish and European Citizenship will help as we have property and land in Latvia. My Gran was Irish born and luckily my Mum had all the relivant documents so it was quite an easy task for me fortunately.
Never realised the waiting time though, but I can wait.
Really thinking about relocating to Ireland as I work exclusively on ancient and historic buildings and I know the Building Limes Forum is based in Ireland.
Anyway, Hello!

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