Foreign Birth Registration

Tams wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 15, 2024 11:33 am

Hello

Just wondering what the experiences have been like for folk going through this process when I stumbled across this forum.

I have applied for my daughter on the basis of her Irish grandfather. Both my parents are Irish and I honestly did not realise that automatically confers citizenship on me. Will be looking into getting myself a passport when I get all my documents returned!

Anyway, we are based in the UK and my daughter LOVES languages. She is looking to work in France and also looking at the possibility of studying in Ireland. We will get this sorted for her and then my other 2 children as there is no rush for them.

It took me sooo long to sort out getting my documents together etc that I am counting my application from March rather than Oct.

Applied online: October 23 ish!!!! (No option to pay though!
Application form & Docs posted: 05/03/2024
Application form & Docs Delivered: 12/03/2024
Confirmation email: ——
Address Verification: ——
Congrats email: ——-
Cert received: ——-

Yes. The clock starts when they receive your application package & they have it. Right now, with no glitches, it takes about nine months. You might want to order documents for your passport. It'll be a long wait & then you'll want to do the other kids. Better to have extra set.The passport requires less documentation too.
Good luck!


P.S. - you can do the other 2 kids together later but it adds up.

Application form & Docs posted: 05/05/2023
Confirmation email: 31/05/2023
Address Verification: 07/02/2024
Congrats email: 14/02/2024
Cert received: ——-

I'm in the USA and got my congrats email over a month ago (yay!) but no cert yet. When I've been checking the spreadsheet and a month is on the longer side, but doesn't seem too unusual. I suppose I'm getting impatient!

When should I call and ask about tracking info? I don't want to be a bother but it's been a minute. My dad's passport identity documents were lost in the mail, so I'm wary and want to make sure all is ok.

hello everyone I don't know where to ask this FBR question pls bear with me. Currently, I am a US citizen that planning to submit the FBR application. But my child is expecting to be born in Sep this year. I am assuming the registration process won't be completed by the time of the due date. Since my child will be born after submitting the registration. So I am wondering if my child can still qualify for this entitlement to Irish citizenship. here is the detailed description "Entitled to Irish citizenship, by having your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register, but only if your parent D had registered by the time of your birth."Any opinion will be appreciated!

joyce2261 wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:33 pm

hello everyone I don't know where to ask this FBR question pls bear with me. Currently, I am a US citizen that planning to submit the FBR application. But my child is expecting to be born in Sep this year. I am assuming the registration process won't be completed by the time of the due date. Since my child will be born after submitting the registration. So I am wondering if my child can still qualify for this entitlement to Irish citizenship. here is the detailed description "Entitled to Irish citizenship, by having your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register, but only if your parent D had registered by the time of your birth."Any opinion will be appreciated!

It is what it says on the tin - unless you're on FBR before the child is born, no.
You can ask them to expedite it, but not sure if they do it straight after applying, not for existing applications; FBR folks will know better.

Hi,

Let's say my witness had a misprint on my application and scratched through it with pen. Would I need to redo that page? Or is it good to submit as is? Thank you.

joyce2261 wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:33 pm

hello everyone I don't know where to ask this FBR question pls bear with me. Currently, I am a US citizen that planning to submit the FBR application. But my child is expecting to be born in Sep this year. I am assuming the registration process won't be completed by the time of the due date. Since my child will be born after submitting the registration. So I am wondering if my child can still qualify for this entitlement to Irish citizenship. here is the detailed description "Entitled to Irish citizenship, by having your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register, but only if your parent D had registered by the time of your birth."Any opinion will be appreciated!

If you submit your application after your child is born they have no access to FBR at all. Your only shot is to apply before the child is born, include proof of pregnancy and expected date and ask for expedition.

It still isn’t guaranteed but it’s the only route you have.

joyce2261 wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:33 pm

hello everyone I don't know where to ask this FBR question pls bear with me. Currently, I am a US citizen that planning to submit the FBR application. But my child is expecting to be born in Sep this year. I am assuming the registration process won't be completed by the time of the due date. Since my child will be born after submitting the registration. So I am wondering if my child can still qualify for this entitlement to Irish citizenship. here is the detailed description "Entitled to Irish citizenship, by having your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register, but only if your parent D had registered by the time of your birth."Any opinion will be appreciated!

Get your application in as fast as possible. Include a letter explaining pregnancy. They will expedite an application due to pregnancy, They are very efficient at it too. You will need to provide proof of pregnancy & a letter from your doctor for them to contact.
Also--on the DFA.ie website you can call too :

Contact us
If you are an expectant parent and your child may be born before your application is processed in line with the timeline above, you may contact the Passport Service Customer Service Hub on +353 1 568 3331 to make an urgent request.

Also, write: Expedite -Pregnancy ----on mailed application envelope along with application number

Good Luck jgclancy

Timeline
Applied May 30/5/23
Accepted docs 23/6/23

Ended up calling them today as there have been several people processed successfully after me and I was getting concerned. The gent at the FBR was super helpful and following thorough checks he confirmed my application has been approved and gave me a tracking number. I've received no email correspondence since the "docs received" email last June.

I'm super delighted, hopefully this helps others in a similar timeframe.

daniellabanilla wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:42 pm

Application form & Docs posted: 05/05/2023
Confirmation email: 31/05/2023
Address Verification: 07/02/2024
Congrats email: 14/02/2024
Cert received: ——-

I'm in the USA and got my congrats email over a month ago (yay!) but no cert yet. When I've been checking the spreadsheet and a month is on the longer side, but doesn't seem too unusual. I suppose I'm getting impatient!

When should I call and ask about tracking info? I don't want to be a bother but it's been a minute. My dad's passport identity documents were lost in the mail, so I'm wary and want to make sure all is ok.

I called FBR office and they gave me a tracking number, which indicated it arrived at ISC NEW YORK NY (customs) on Feb 15 (1 day after mailing from Dublin) and has been there ever since. I have filed a USPS missing mail request, but those tend not to go anywhere. I called the FBR office again, and the person said they don't submit international inquiries until after 10 weeks, so I'm directed to call back in mid-April. Very frustrating to think it's likely sitting somewhere while other packages are processed quickly.

Hi all, new here and looking for some advice.

Timeline is as follows,

Online Form Submitted: 21/2/23
Application & Docs received email: 26/6/23
Additional docs request email: 19/3/24

I stupidly somehow didn’t sign the application form myself and they have now asked for a new one. Because i have to fill the application out again they have asked for another witnessed photocopy of my passport/id and also 4 more passport sized photos 2 of which to be witnessed, dated and for the application number to be written on them.

I just have a few questions as i really don’t want to get it wrong again…

Does my witness need to certify/notarise in pen on the photocopy of my identification and on the photos? then provide a blank letter on headed paper? (they are a school teacher and do not have a business card)

Or do they just sign and date the photocopied identification and photos then type their certification on headed paper?

And lastly, do the photos need to be separated or together as they would usually come from a passport photo booth?

Would be really good if people could let me know how they have done it especially people that have successfully completed the proccess.

Many Thanks.

FBR arrived yesterday, so I applied online today and sent everything off, happy days!

One thing I Have noticed which is causing conern, the passport online software has "cropped" my perfectly aligned photo a bit badly. To my eye it seems that I am now "too far down" the image, does anyone think this will result in my application being rejected? I'm a bit desperate for the passport, so this is a bit of a kick in the teeth.

Source photo vs "passport online" result, cannot say I'm pleased:


(I might have put on a green shirt for Ireland before I realised it was going to be in black in white! )

Louis555 wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:00 pm

Does my witness need to certify/notarise in pen on the photocopy of my identification and on the photos? then provide a blank letter on headed paper? (they are a school teacher and do not have a business card)

Or do they just sign and date the photocopied identification and photos then type their certification on headed paper?

And lastly, do the photos need to be separated or together as they would usually come from a passport photo booth?

Yes, the witness needs to certify in pen on the application/ID photocopy & 2 of the photos. The photos should be cut/separated individually.

J_W wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:54 pm

One thing I Have noticed which is causing conern, the passport online software has "cropped" my perfectly aligned photo a bit badly. To my eye it seems that I am now "too far down" the image, does anyone think this will result in my application being rejected? I'm a bit desperate for the passport, so this is a bit of a kick in the teeth.

They accepted your photo/image so it is fine.

Hello folks,

I have been trying to find more info on this process and this thread has been a godsend! Very exciting to see everyone post their progress over time.
I have a question that has flummoxed me recently. I am applying to the FBR on behalf of my paternal grandmother. I have all of the required documents in order, only catch being my own ID. Per my understanding, I need to provide a "Photocopy of current state-issued photographic ID document (i.e. passport, drivers licence, national identity card) certified as a true copy of the original by application form witness"
Only trouble is, I live in California and best I can tell, a California notary cannot certify a copy of such a form of ID (https://www.nationalnotary.org/notary-b ... rs-license). I am planning on calling the office in Dublin tomorrow morning, but I was wondering if anybody in my same situation had any advice or has gone through the same thing?

Best,
Henry

Mr_Knight wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 20, 2024 9:40 pm

J_W wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:54 pm

One thing I Have noticed which is causing conern, the passport online software has "cropped" my perfectly aligned photo a bit badly. To my eye it seems that I am now "too far down" the image, does anyone think this will result in my application being rejected? I'm a bit desperate for the passport, so this is a bit of a kick in the teeth.

They accepted your photo/image so it is fine.

They haven't accepted it yet, often the computer accepts, and a human rejects down the line when the passport is being verified or processed. There is sadly still plenty of time for a human to reject the computers work.

daniellabanilla wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:48 pm

daniellabanilla wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:42 pm

Application form & Docs posted: 05/05/2023
Confirmation email: 31/05/2023
Address Verification: 07/02/2024
Congrats email: 14/02/2024
Cert received: ——-

I'm in the USA and got my congrats email over a month ago (yay!) but no cert yet. When I've been checking the spreadsheet and a month is on the longer side, but doesn't seem too unusual. I suppose I'm getting impatient!

When should I call and ask about tracking info? I don't want to be a bother but it's been a minute. My dad's passport identity documents were lost in the mail, so I'm wary and want to make sure all is ok.

I called FBR office and they gave me a tracking number, which indicated it arrived at ISC NEW YORK NY (customs) on Feb 15 (1 day after mailing from Dublin) and has been there ever since. I have filed a USPS missing mail request, but those tend not to go anywhere. I called the FBR office again, and the person said they don't submit international inquiries until after 10 weeks, so I'm directed to call back in mid-April. Very frustrating to think it's likely sitting somewhere while other packages are processed quickly.

Wait until you get to the passport application phase. Due to the problem of finding and getting character witnesses verified, my PP application was received on Nov 4th 2023 and my passport was finally mailed on Feb 26th 2024... It has sat at the ISC since Feb 27th 2024, with no trace and no movement. IE PP office said they can't start enquiries until 8 weeks have elapsed. I'm so very, very frustrated and tired of all this, and to have supposedly got all the way through the process and to now have the passport disappear into the ISC black hole is super depressing. I just hate USPS. Really, really hate them.

daniellabanilla wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:48 pm

daniellabanilla wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:42 pm

Application form & Docs posted: 05/05/2023
Confirmation email: 31/05/2023
Address Verification: 07/02/2024
Congrats email: 14/02/2024
Cert received: ——-

I'm in the USA and got my congrats email over a month ago (yay!) but no cert yet. When I've been checking the spreadsheet and a month is on the longer side, but doesn't seem too unusual. I suppose I'm getting impatient!

When should I call and ask about tracking info? I don't want to be a bother but it's been a minute. My dad's passport identity documents were lost in the mail, so I'm wary and want to make sure all is ok.

I called FBR office and they gave me a tracking number, which indicated it arrived at ISC NEW YORK NY (customs) on Feb 15 (1 day after mailing from Dublin) and has been there ever since. I have filed a USPS missing mail request, but those tend not to go anywhere. I called the FBR office again, and the person said they don't submit international inquiries until after 10 weeks, so I'm directed to call back in mid-April. Very frustrating to think it's likely sitting somewhere while other packages are processed quickly.

Do you have USPS Informed Delivery (free)? It can be there when it gets to USA

Jgclancy

h_o_cally wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:18 am

Hello folks,

I have been trying to find more info on this process and this thread has been a godsend! Very exciting to see everyone post their progress over time.
I have a question that has flummoxed me recently. I am applying to the FBR on behalf of my paternal grandmother. I have all of the required documents in order, only catch being my own ID. Per my understanding, I need to provide a "Photocopy of current state-issued photographic ID document (i.e. passport, drivers licence, national identity card) certified as a true copy of the original by application form witness"
Only trouble is, I live in California and best I can tell, a California notary cannot certify a copy of such a form of ID (https://www.nationalnotary.org/notary-b ... rs-license). I am planning on calling the office in Dublin tomorrow morning, but I was wondering if anybody in my same situation had any advice or has gone through the same thing?

Best,
Henry

Call & Ask different notaries. Make sure you have a declaration statement under the ID image. Explain that they are notarizing the witnesses statement.

I, (witnesses name), certify that this is a true photocopy of the applicant, (applicants name). I am not related to the applicant.

Witness signature above printed name Date

They are notarizing your statement then & not notarizing the actual ID. Many notaries just won't do IDs for any reason. Good Luck

jgclancy

Polly28 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:42 am

Hi - Update on my timeline

Here is my journey thru the process ;-

Online application: May 14, 2023
Documents Mailed: June 3, 2023
Documents Received: June 22, 2023
Address Confirmation: March 5, 2024
Approval / Congratulations Email: March 12, 2024
FBR Certificate Received: March 19, 2024 ( dated March 6th)
Passport application submitted online and accepted: March 20, 2024
Passport documents sent registered mail: March 22, 2024
Passport received:

I had been gathering all the documents for the Passport application before I received the FBR certificate and only needed photos and Verification

jgclancy wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:02 pm

Do you have USPS Informed Delivery (free)? It can be there when it gets to USA

Jgclancy

Yes, I do! The issue is that it hasn't been released to USPS yet. It's in the USA, but stuck in customs for a discouraging amount of time. Thanks for the suggestion though.

After sorting out some questions with the office in Dublin got mine mailed out this morning! Plan is to help my cousins and sibling through the process once mine is all approved.

Applied online: March 21st 2024
Application form & Docs posted: March 22nd 2024
Application form & Docs Delivered: ——
Confirmation email: ——
Address Verification: ——
Congrats email: ——
Cert received: ——

jgclancy wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:09 pm

h_o_cally wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:18 am

Hello folks,

I have been trying to find more info on this process and this thread has been a godsend! Very exciting to see everyone post their progress over time.
I have a question that has flummoxed me recently. I am applying to the FBR on behalf of my paternal grandmother. I have all of the required documents in order, only catch being my own ID. Per my understanding, I need to provide a "Photocopy of current state-issued photographic ID document (i.e. passport, drivers licence, national identity card) certified as a true copy of the original by application form witness"
Only trouble is, I live in California and best I can tell, a California notary cannot certify a copy of such a form of ID (https://www.nationalnotary.org/notary-b ... rs-license). I am planning on calling the office in Dublin tomorrow morning, but I was wondering if anybody in my same situation had any advice or has gone through the same thing?

Best,
Henry

Call & Ask different notaries. Make sure you have a declaration statement under the ID image. Explain that they are notarizing the witnesses statement.

I, (witnesses name), certify that this is a true photocopy of the applicant, (applicants name). I am not related to the applicant.

Witness signature above printed name Date

They are notarizing your statement then & not notarizing the actual ID. Many notaries just won't do IDs for any reason. Good Luck

jgclancy

Thanks for the info. I called the office yesterday morning and they claimed it was not as officious as I was understanding it to be. I had them confirm this to me twice but the office told me that any of the witnesses would be able to write the statement affirming it was a copy of my photo ID and that it did not need to be explicitly notarized. This didn't quite gel with my reading of the website, but I went along with the representative's guidance. Hopefully this doesn't cause any issues during the process...

h_o_cally wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:12 pm

jgclancy wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:09 pm

h_o_cally wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:18 am

Hello folks,

I have been trying to find more info on this process and this thread has been a godsend! Very exciting to see everyone post their progress over time.
I have a question that has flummoxed me recently. I am applying to the FBR on behalf of my paternal grandmother. I have all of the required documents in order, only catch being my own ID. Per my understanding, I need to provide a "Photocopy of current state-issued photographic ID document (i.e. passport, drivers licence, national identity card) certified as a true copy of the original by application form witness"
Only trouble is, I live in California and best I can tell, a California notary cannot certify a copy of such a form of ID (https://www.nationalnotary.org/notary-b ... rs-license). I am planning on calling the office in Dublin tomorrow morning, but I was wondering if anybody in my same situation had any advice or has gone through the same thing?

Best,
Henry

Call & Ask different notaries. Make sure you have a declaration statement under the ID image. Explain that they are notarizing the witnesses statement.

I, (witnesses name), certify that this is a true photocopy of the applicant, (applicants name). I am not related to the applicant.

Witness signature above printed name Date

They are notarizing your statement then & not notarizing the actual ID. Many notaries just won't do IDs for any reason. Good Luck

jgclancy

Thanks for the info. I called the office yesterday morning and they claimed it was not as officious as I was understanding it to be. I had them confirm this to me twice but the office told me that any of the witnesses would be able to write the statement affirming it was a copy of my photo ID and that it did not need to be explicitly notarized. This didn't quite gel with my reading of the website, but I went along with the representative's guidance. Hopefully this doesn't cause any issues during the process...

Yes, you can just have the witness just "certify" the ID - added Statement, signed & dated. You asked about getting it notarized . I get everything notarized since then it's an official government document they really can't reject.
I'm always annoyed by notaries that don't understand they are NOT notarizing the actual ID but the statement.
jgclancy

daniellabanilla wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:22 pm

jgclancy wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:02 pm

Do you have USPS Informed Delivery (free)? It can be there when it gets to USA

Jgclancy

Yes, I do! The issue is that it hasn't been released to USPS yet. It's in the USA, but stuck in customs for a discouraging amount of time. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Glad you have it to follow package one day. If you want my horror story: My passport circled NYC processing points for a month. They actually have no way to reroute or intercept it. One personally finally did something to get it sent back to Ireland! I notified the office it was coming and they kindly put it in new envelope with address written slightly different. Someone wrote something on the original package which apparently the machines couldn't process. After 45 days---I had it. The documents had arrived separately in 5 days with no problem. Grrrr
Good Luck jgclancy

Presumption of paternity?

Hello, my grandmother was married to an Irish Citizen at the time of my mother's birth.

However, there is no father listed on my mother's birth certificate.

Would I be able to claim this man is my grandfather for the purpose of adding myself to the foreign birth register?

I recently spoke to an English solicitor who said in the UK there is an assumption of paternity, given he was married at the time of her birth up until his death some 30 years later.

I have no idea if this would apply in Ireland, does anyone have any idea?